Why the Sabbath is a moral commandment

[SabbathBlessings]

Indeed, which means we shouldn't descriminate the law in anyway but I don't see that as a high value in your perspective of law. Show me how we can view Sabbath and circumcision the same way, and on top of that all the laws, rather than try and cut up law and treat each part differently which would be based on a biased reasoning.

God never viewed circumcision the same way He viewed the Sabbath commandment, hence why circumcision is not one of the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God or inside the ark of the covenant under His mercy seat, part of His Testimony. Deut 4:13 Exo 31:18 revealed in heaven Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19 that He and added no more Deut 5:22 so this is not an argument with me.

Once God blesses something, its blessed forever

1 Cor 17:27 Now You have been pleased to bless the house of Your servant, that it may continue before You forever; for You have blessed it, O LORD, and it shall be blessed forever.”

Man can't reverse regardless how much they disagree with what God blessed and sanctified and asked us to keep in a very specific manner.

Num 23:20 Behold, I have received a command to bless;
He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.


God blessed the Sabbath

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

and blesses those who keeps the Sabbath day holy, the way He said shown throughout Scripture such as Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Lev 23:3 Luke 4:16 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 16:13 etc etc


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Its hard to try to reason with our own logic over what God said. so I am going to agree to disagree.


Lets get back on topic, please watch the video and discuss using Scriptures.

 

[DamianWarS]

God never viewed circumcision the same way He viewed the Sabbath commandment, hence why circumcision is not one of the Ten

Circumcision is a sign of an everlasting covenant as Sabbath is a sign of an everlasting covenant. Sabbath is to the Sinaitic covenant as circumcision is to the abrahamic covenant. The sinaitic covenant is sealed with the 10, the abrahamic is sealed in a ceremony of God passing through portions of burned offerings as fire. You see the need to elevate one over the other I just see God and have no desire to rank his manifestations.

Once God blesses something, its blessed forever

its the 7th day that God blesses. The 4th is a commandment that is a sign of the sinaitic covenant which is conditional not universal. The 7th day is everything that before light was spoken isn't. It contrasts light/darkness, complete/incomplete, rest/chose, filled/empty, etc... It is the answer to the formless dark void of Gen 1:2. The 4th only shows us a physical perspective of the same thing, Christ shows us the complete view.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Circumcision is a sign of an everlasting covenant as Sabbath is a sign of an everlasting covenant.

Still doesn't change Why the Sabbath is a moral commandment

Its a matter of understanding the role of the Ten Commandments and the role of circumcision. Jesus is our circumcision so there is no more wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles. Col 2:9-13 Eph 2:11-14 so it is an everlasting covenant through Christ we are all now grafted in His covenant promise through faith Gal 3:26-29- His covenant has His laws Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Heb 8:10- His version, not mans. Its up to use to accept or reject, the heart of the issue throughout the entire bible.

There is no Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment turned into anything different than the commandment God gave- not a jot or tittle can be changed as if man can overwrite God's own will and Testimony Psa 40:8 Exo 31:18 that He said He would not alter. Psa 89:34 as His word is settled in heaven Psa 119:89 right where the ark of His Testimony is, in heaven Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19. Why Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath day according to the commandment. Luke 23:56 Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Lev 23:3 Luke 4:16 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 16:13 etc etc

Sabbath is to the Sinaitic covenant as circumcision is to the abrahamic covenant. The sinaitic covenant is sealed with the 10, the abrahamic is sealed in a ceremony of God passing through portions of burned offerings as fire. You see the need to elevate one over the other I just see God and have no desire to rank his manifestations.


its the 7th day that God blesses. The 4th is a commandment that is a sign of the sinaitic covenant which is conditional not universal.

There is no Scripture that says the Sabbath is a sign of the sinaitic covenant, God said it its a sign between God and His people Eze 20:20 and a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12. The Sabbath points us to creation and then to His re-creation in us if we keep the Sabbath (His version). The Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11, not at My Sinai thus saith the Lord,. It was a commandment before Mt Sinai Exo 16:28

The 7th day is everything that before light was spoken isn't. It contrasts light/darkness, complete/incomplete, rest/chose, filled/empty, etc... It is the answer to the formless dark void of Gen 1:2. The 4th only shows us a physical perspective of the same thing, Christ shows us the complete view.

These are your words, not what God said about His Sabbath.

Like I said, its impossible to reason with someone with their opinions as if its the same as God's spoken and written word. So for those reasons, I am going to bow out and agree to disagree.

 

[DamianWarS]

Its a matter of understanding the role of the Ten Commandments and the role of circumcision. Jesus is our circumcision so there is no more wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles. Col 2:9-13 Eph 2:11-14 so it is an everlasting covenant through Christ we are all now grafted in His covenant promise through faith Gal 3:26-29- His covenant has His laws Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Heb 8:10- His version, not mans. Its up to use to accept or reject, the heart of the issue throughout the entire bible.

There is no Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment turned into anything different than the commandment God gave- not a jot or tittle can be changed as if man can overwrite God's own will and Testimony Psa 40:8 Exo 31:18 that He said He would not alter. Psa 89:34 as His word is settled in heaven Psa 119:89 right where the ark of His Testimony is, in heaven Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19. Why Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath day according to the commandment. Luke 23:56 Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Lev 23:3 Luke 4:16 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 16:13 etc etc

You just finished telling me how circumcision has changed then tell me how we can't change God's commandments. Is not circumcision God's commandment? In fact an sign of an everlasting covenant that is required in the flesh as detailed in Gen 17. How can you so easily spiritualized one commandment but refuse on another when the answer is the exact same.

Christ is the flesh that is cut off and sacraficed so circumcision is fulfilled. Christ rests like no other, in the grave, on the very day of the Sabbath which is by design. Not just his hands and feet rest but his breath and heart rest too. Only Christ has accomplished the requirement of the Sabbath like no other has. We may recieve that completeness of Sabbath rest that only he can fulfill as we do with circumcision through Christ. Our attempts of Sabbath rest do nothing to keep it holy as we ourselves can only be holy through Christ. It is not the day, it is Christ, and through Christ we too are made holy just as creation account is brought from nothing to complete restoration so too are we through Christ by his light spoken into our darkness were we are transformed and restored. The Spiritual parallels are undeniable just as they are with circumcision. Yet circumsicion changes and if I dare suggest the same for the 4th I'm accused of altering Gods law. this is arbitrarly discriminating law. The support you use can be equally used to back any law and in no way is unique to the 10. The context of Mat 5:17 is not the 10 it is "all the law and the prophets" just as all the law and the prophets hang up the greatest commandments (not just the 10) The 10 get no special treatment in the new covenant as you are giving them.

There is no Scripture that says the Sabbath is a sign of the sinaitic covenant, God said it its a sign between God and His people Eze 20:20 and a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12. The Sabbath points us to creation and then to His re-creation in us if we keep the Sabbath (his version). The Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11, not at My Sinai thus saith the Lord,. It was a commandment before Mt Sinai Exo 16:28

Sinaitic covenant of course is just for reference and there is no formal name of the covenant just as its formally not called mosaic or others abrahamic. These are words of utility not official titles used in the Bible. I uses them to prevent confusion.

Sabbath itself starts at creation but the law is radified on Mt Sinai and practice. there is no reference to Sabbath practice in Genesis outside the 7th day itself and no instruction to keep it. The law itself is unique to the covenant but as you've pointed out Sabbath itself is independent. the 4th is of the 7th day, and so derives it's meaning from the 7th, but we don't reverse engineer the 7th day using the 4th.

Ex 31 also shows us this relationship right on the mountain. A "sign between Me and you" is a covenant relationship. Call it a Sabbath covenant if you want, but it is still a covenant. I use Sinaitic as a catch all for the covenant relationships under the leadership of Moses. Exodus goes back and forth and there appears to be multiple events of law handed out which is consistent with Hebraic block logic ordering of things.

As a note I used to say Mosaic but then I was accused of calling it Moses's covenant so I thought Sinaitic was a better word. I don't think it necessary to say the "covenant found in Exodus"

These are your words, not what God said about His Sabbath.

Like I said, its impossible to reason with someone with their opinions as if its the same as God's spoken and written word. So for those reasons, I am going to bow out and agree to disagree.

You've reduced this to insult. You don't have to agree with me, but accusing me of trying to be at the same level of God is grossly inappropriate. please show greater respect on these forms. By accusing me of these things is tantamount to calling me a false prophet that is against God. This constant form you take to reduce someone because you don't agree with them needs to be re-evaluated and is not something I will participate with. Let iron sharpen iron not destroy and tear it down.