Why the Rev was written before 70 AD

AJCServant · Feb 20, 2014

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[/FONT]<>PS There are several key scriptures that continually govern my thoughts, hopes and prayers for these threads, of which some are given below:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 8:31-32 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To the Judeans who had believed him, Jesus said, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]“If you [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]hold to my teaching[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], you are really my disciples. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:16-17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Holy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: that the man of God may become perfect ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]), [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]thoroughly furnished unto all [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]good works[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we “all” might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]#[/FONT]63 “[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif” at <>http://www.christianforums.com/t7756553-7/#post63771233<> and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPPS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in the aforementioned gif file, what radically enlightened me to Beelzebub's powerfully enslaving “hatred” towards our Shekhinah Creator's vision for us all, was in the fact that the tallest pyramid that has ever been constructed by God's enslaved children was exactly 1.2 Greek Olympic “stadia” on each edge, which is exactly 1/10,000th the dimensions of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Also the pyramids in the Mid-East became tombs for ancient rulers who set themselves up as gods, and those in Central and South America became heinous platforms for innocent human sacrifices to occult demons who also set themselves up as gods. So let us pray for vision wisdom strength and courage and rise up and overcome evil with good as we would proclaim the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, and thereby work alongside the Heavenly Host in a much greater way in annihilating the works of the devil in our earth. His Kingdom come His will be done in the earth as it is done in Heaven, Amen, come quickly Lord Jesus.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPPPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT][/FONT]

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shturt678s · Feb 20, 2014

AJCServant said:
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I had previously posted the following excerpt and scripture into another thread, and now here for good-hearted-souls to consider the many scriptural admonition's concerning how the ruthless and lawless Beelzebub has oftentimes seduced some to fulfill 2 Peter 3:16[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A strong delusion occurs whenever ones heart is far removed from mentoring others with God's love, and His life strengthening prudence.[/FONT]

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A strong delusion occurs whenever ones do not have the agape for the Truth in the sense of IIThess.2:10b.

Old Jack, holding a lead plate over my head to inhibit those delusions being cast down Rev.8:7; IIThess.2:11, 12.

AJCServant · Feb 20, 2014

shturt678s said:
<snip> only for clarity

A strong delusion occurs whenever ones do not have the agape for the Truth in the sense of IIThess.2:10b.

Old Jack, holding a lead plate over my head to inhibit those delusions being cast down Rev.8:7; IIThess.2:11, 12.

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2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

King James Version (KJV)

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Revelation 8:7

King James Version (KJV)

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

AJCServant · Feb 20, 2014

shturt678s said:
<snip> only for clarity

A strong delusion occurs whenever ones do not have the agape for the Truth in the sense of IIThess.2:10b.

Old Jack, holding a lead plate over my head to inhibit those delusions being cast down Rev.8:7; IIThess.2:11, 12.

AJCServant said:
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Hi all,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I had previously posted the following excerpt and scripture into another thread, and now here for good-hearted-souls to consider the many scriptural admonition's concerning how the ruthless and lawless Beelzebub has oftentimes seduced some to fulfill> - - 2 Peter 3:16[/FONT].

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A strong delusion occurs whenever ones “heart” is far removed from mentoring others with God's love, and His life strengthening prudence.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah 29:13-14 - - Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the (demonic) doctrines-of-men: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The previous scripture above, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 29:13-14[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], was most [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obviously[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] fulfilled in 70AD whenever the Jews were celebrating their “mandatory” feast days at Jerusalem “while” being surrounded by the Roman army.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Jewish Nation's “corporate” blindness that led to 70AD historically took root after the Babylonian Captivity whenever some “religious” “legalistic” scribes were “allowed” to use various scriptures as their authoritative proof-texts without others effectively voicing themselves concerning how the character and nature of God was being portrayed via those proof-texts. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Heavenly Father had obviously “allowed” these wayward texts to be published as “tares” within the scriptures - simply to train His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to learn to discern eternally holy doctrines that would promote God's holiness and love and vision for “all” of ones “neighbors” [+] from “demonic-doctrines-of-men” that do not.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And for His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to then learn how to work in concert with His Holy Spirit to “reprove” any slanders that promoted the opposite of the truth about His unchanging and eternal vision, nature and character. [Two scriptural examples of “non-believing” religious leaders who were being “trained” in God's ways of “discernment” were the scribe in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mark 12:28-34[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and Gamaleial in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Acts 5:34-39.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: To investigate how Jesus' definition of one's “neighbor” was contrary to a “religious” scribe's viewpoint see via this link to> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 10:29[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*: The most “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obvious[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]example of a “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic-doctrine-of-men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” inserted into the Torah is> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Numbers 15:30-36[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]whereby the words used for “cut-off” should never have implied executing anyone by pelting them to death with stones[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], since these were the words used to “admonish” the “faithful” non-idolaters to separate themselves from any persons who “blatantly” chose to be “idolatrous” and or to pursue “self-destructive” “heathen” practices; as Moses “admonished” in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Leviticus 19:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and as Jesus “admonished” in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 18:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and afterwards the Apostle Paul again repeated these same “admonitions” via his writings in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 5:11[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Whenever we look at the maturing process within the lives and writings of Paul and Peter, we see that our loving Creator was continually without favoritism gently pruning, sifting, chastening and encouraging them until their final day. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One can easily see Paul's maturing process within the following review of his writings.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dates given below were obtained from the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]notes within the [/FONT]ESV-Study-Bible.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD57 – Romans 5 (cf 1John 2:2) - all justified and made righteous[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD57 – Romans 11:32 - all receive mercy[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Cor 5:5 – destruction of their demon possessed flesh -[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- so their spirit may be saved [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]eternally[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Cor 15:22 - all made alive in Christ[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Cor 15:27 - all subject to him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 – 2Cor 5:19 - all reconciled[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 – Eph 1:9-10 - all gathered up in him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 – Phil 2:10-11 - all will worship him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 – Col 1:20 - all reconciled in Christ[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 – 1Tim 2:4 - salvation of all desired[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 – 1Tim 2:6 - Christ was ransomed for all[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 – 1Tim 4:10 - Christ was savior of all - [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]-[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]especially (and therefore not limited to) those who believe[/FONT]

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When Paul was less “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” in his writings he wrote as is noted in this link to> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in ~AD48[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] . . . [/FONT]

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Hi all,

I re-posted the above for clarity to elaborate on another's post.

Let us always remind our "souls" our "children" and our "neighbors" that scripture teaches over and over that delusions "always" begin with a hard-heart [+] towards God and an idolatrous "love" for oneself or for sin or for pleasures, which leads one to NOT make the efforts to "learn" the truth about our Father God's Spirit and nature and character and which results in His eternal vision for us "all", "if" we are willing to agape-love Him.

We all need to be better mentors to our culture and to prepare the way for the Blessed-Hope, that "I" pray could soon occur in a glorious and fruitful way, in spite of Beelzebub's seductions to steal, kill, and destroy via the teachings of prodigal-heretics. Who, similarly to what occurred with Paul and also via the legend of "righteous" Job, it will be our Father God's nature and character to always agape-love any prodigal child without favoritism eternally, with the hope they will return to work in His fields alongside His household sooner rather than later; even though presently they had not yet prayed from a good-heart to discern the obvious "truth" about the demonic-doctrines they are promoting, and will suffer for their errs, similarly to Paul and Job's sufferings.

Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Christ Jesus

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shturt678s · Feb 21, 2014

AJCServant said:
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Hi all,

I re-posted the above for clarity when elaborating on another's view.

Let us always remind our "souls" our "children" and our "neighbors" that scripture teaches over and over that delusions "always" begin with a hard-heart towards God

As you well put forth bringing the Text forward, the Scripture (interpretation of that Text Contextually) teaches over and over that "error's working" ("delusions") begin with when one meets the Truth (IIThess.2:10b) then views that Truth as fallacious to insane due to having a lack of agape of that Truth then GONG forever kind of thing, eg, Rev.8:7-9:21.

and an idolatrous "love" for oneself or for sin or for pleasures, which leads one to NOT make the efforts to "learn" the truth about Him and His nature and His character and His vision for us "all".

We all need to be better mentors to our culture and to prepare the way for the Blessed-Hope -- that I pray will soon occur in a glorious way in spite of Beelzebub's seductions to steal kill and destroy via the teachings of prodigal-heretics, who God will eternally agape-love, even though in this life they have not taken the time to learn the "truth", and will suffer for that err.

Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Christ Jesus

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Old Jack,

btw don't be concerned about me, ie, I don't have that Truth

AJCServant · Feb 23, 2014

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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].

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Hosea 10:12 Parallel
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[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][+: The following are some of Jesus' and Paul's teachings about the blindness that occurs in the understanding[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] of His "prodigal" children [/FONT]when one has a hardened heart towards "loving" our Father God, and so would not empathize with His griefs concerning their "self-destructive" sins, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]and would "acquiesce" to remaining "naive" concerning His continual warfare in their behalf within the invisible spiritual realm against the Devil Beelzebub.[/FONT]]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mark 6:52 - - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mark 8:17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]heart [/FONT][/FONT]yet hardened?[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mark 16:14 - - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]heart[/FONT][/FONT], because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Romans 2:5 - - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God.
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[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Ephesians 4:18 - - They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Matthew 13:14-15 - -[/FONT]
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In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:[/FONT]

“‘[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]You will be ever hearing but never understanding;[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]For this people’s [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]heart[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] has become calloused;[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]they hardly hear with their ears,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]and they have closed their eyes.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Otherwise they might see with their eyes,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]hear with their ears,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]understand with their [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]hearts[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]and turn, and I would heal them.’[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]John 12:40 - - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]He hath blinded their eyes, and
hardened their heart; that they should not see
with their eyes, nor understand with their heart,
and be converted, and I should heal them.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Ephesians 4:18 - - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]They are darkened in their
understanding [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]and separated from the life of
God because [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]of the ignorance that is in them
due to the [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]hardening[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] of their [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]hearts[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Hebrews 3:8 - - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Harden[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] not your [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]hearts[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif], as
in the provocation, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]in the day of temptation
in the wilderness.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Luke 4:16-21 - - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]because he has [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]anointed[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] me[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]to proclaim [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]good news[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] to the poor.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]and recovery of sight for the blind,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]to set the oppressed free,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]19 [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif].”[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” - - 43 But he said, “I must proclaim the [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]good news[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.”[/FONT]

2 Chronicles 7:14 - - If my people, who are called
by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek
my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear
from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is anyone reading this thread “ready” for the blessed hope to occur today by having prepared their heart and soul and body and their surrounding culture for that glorious event?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AND OR[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is anyone reading this thread proclaiming the good news of God's love for prodigal sinners?[/FONT]

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shturt678s · Feb 23, 2014

AJCServant said:
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is anyone reading this thread ready for the blessed hope to occur today by having prepared their heart and soul and body and their surrounding culture for that glorious event?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AND OR[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is anyone reading this thread proclaiming the good news of God's love for prodigal sinners?[/FONT]

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Or is anyone 'hearing' the Trumpets blasting warnings of a full blown apostasy (preliminary judgments - Rev.8:7, etc.) and thus remaining in and having an agape for the Truth during this end time where most think it's all grace with their tickets to heaven promised by their ministers?

Old Jack not blowing his own trumpet

AJCServant · Feb 23, 2014

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].

[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:16-17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Holy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: that the man of God may become perfect ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]), [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]thoroughly furnished unto all [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]good works[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].

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[/FONT]Proverbs 11:29 Parallel

He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind; And the foolish shall be servant to the wise of heart.

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AJCServant · Feb 27, 2014

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Hosea 10:12 Parallel

I said, 'Plant the good seeds of righteousness, and you will harvest a crop of love. Plow up the hard ground of your hearts, for now is the time to seek the LORD, that he may come and shower righteousness upon you.'[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

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AJCServant · Mar 2, 2014

AJCServant said:
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I had previously posted the following excerpt and scripture into another thread, and now here for good-hearted-souls to consider the many scriptural admonition's concerning how the ruthless and lawless Beelzebub has oftentimes seduced some to fulfill 2 Peter 3:16[/FONT].

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A strong delusion occurs whenever ones “heart” is far removed from mentoring others with God's love, and His life strengthening prudence.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah 29:13-14 - - Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the (demonic) doctrines-of-men: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.[/FONT]

Isaiah 29 ESV - The Siege of Jerusalem

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The previous scripture above, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 29:13-14[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], was most [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obviously[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] fulfilled in 70AD whenever the Jews were celebrating their “mandatory” feast days at Jerusalem “while” being surrounded by the Roman army.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Jewish Nation's “corporate” blindness that led to 70AD historically took root after the Babylonian Captivity whenever some “religious” “legalistic” scribes were “allowed” to use various scriptures as their authoritative proof-texts without others effectively voicing themselves concerning how the character and nature of God was being portrayed via those proof-texts. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Heavenly Father had obviously “allowed” these wayward texts to be published as “tares” within the scriptures - simply to train His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to learn to discern eternally holy doctrines that would promote God's holiness and love and vision for “all” of ones “neighbors” [+] from “demonic-doctrines-of-men” that do not.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And for His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to then learn how to work in concert with His Holy Spirit to “reprove” any slanders that promoted the opposite of the truth about His unchanging and eternal vision, nature and character. [Two scriptural examples of “non-believing” religious leaders who were being “trained” in God's ways of “discernment” were the scribe in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mark 12:28-34[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and Gamaleial in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Acts 5:34-39.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: To investigate how Jesus' definition of one's “neighbor” was contrary to a “religious” scribe's viewpoint see via this link to> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 10:29[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*: The most “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obvious[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]example of a “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic-doctrine-of-men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” inserted into the Torah is> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Numbers 15:30-36[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]whereby the words used for “cut-off” should never have implied executing anyone by pelting them to death with stones[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], since these were the words used to “admonish” the “faithful” non-idolaters to separate themselves from any persons who “blatantly” chose to be “idolatrous” and or to pursue “self-destructive” “heathen” practices; as Moses “admonished” in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Leviticus 19:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and as Jesus “admonished” in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 18:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and afterwards the Apostle Paul again repeated these same “admonitions” via his writings in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 5:11[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Whenever we look at the maturing process within the lives and writings of Paul and Peter, we see that our loving Creator was continually without favoritism gently pruning, sifting, chastening and encouraging them until their final day. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One can easily see Paul's maturing process within the following review of his writings.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dates given below were obtained from the ESV Study Bible Notes.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD57 – Romans 5 (cf 1John 2:2) - all justified and made righteous[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD57 – Romans 11:32 - all receive mercy[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Cor 5:5 – destruction of their demon possessed flesh -[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- so their spirit may be saved [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]eternally[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Cor 15:22 - all made alive in Christ[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Cor 15:27 - all subject to him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 – 2Cor 5:19 - all reconciled[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 – Eph 1:9-10 - all gathered up in him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 – Phil 2:10-11 - all will worship him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 – Col 1:20 - all reconciled in Christ[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 – 1Tim 2:4 - salvation of all desired[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 – 1Tim 2:6 - Christ was ransomed for all[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 – 1Tim 4:10 - Christ was savior of all - [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]-[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]especially (and therefore not limited to) those who believe[/FONT]

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Originally Posted by AJCServant

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When Paul was less “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” in his writings he wrote as is noted in this link to> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in ~AD48[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] . . . [/FONT]

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James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee ...

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AJCServant · Mar 5, 2014

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 9:55[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] But Jesus turned and rebuked them [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and said, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] & [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2Peter 2:4[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Putting them in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chains[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] . . . [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]& [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jude 1:6[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Bound with everlasting [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chains[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].] [/FONT]
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James 4:7[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee ...[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

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AJCServant · Mar 6, 2014

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1Timothy 1:15-16 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinnersof whom I am the worst[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. 16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 21:28-32 - - [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Parable of the Two Sons[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]28 What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, Son, go and work today in the vineyard.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]29 I will not, he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]30 Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, I will, sir, but he did not go.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]31 Which of the two did what his father wanted?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The first, they answered.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jesus said to them, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ahead[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of you[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. 32 For John came to you to show you [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]the way of righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.[/FONT]

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AJCServant · Mar 6, 2014

AJCServant said:
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[/FONT]<>PS There are several key scriptures that continually govern my thoughts, hopes and prayers for these threads, of which some are given below:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:16-17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Holy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: that the man of God may become perfect ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]), [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]thoroughly furnished unto all [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]good works[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

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AJCServant · Mar 13, 2014

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][Editor's Note: Because any teachings by any fallible man, including this narrative, could unwittingly be flawed, all Christians should be as the Bereans in Acts 17:11, and should ask the Holy Spirit to guide them into the truth, and to discern doctrines that can be judged by their fruitfulness in strengthening Jesus' Kingdom while also encouraging loving-holiness towards God and “all” others. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]When the Book of Revelation, (and verse 18:4), was written during Nero's reign it encouraged an exodus from Mystery Babylon prior to its impending destruction(s), similar to Nahum's writings that encouraged believers to flee Nineveh prior to its holocaust by the Babylonians, and similar to Jesus' teachings from The Book of Daniel that encouraged believers to flee Jerusalem prior to its holocaust in 70 AD. During Nero's reign The Book of Revelation encouraged an exodus from both Jerusalem and Rome since they both have seven hills and both had a history of martyring God's prophets. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Today Revelation continues to encourage believers to flee from all Mystery Babylon communities. These are idolatrous non-relational religious communities whose leadership would promote fruit destroying doctrines-of-men, that are materialistic-idolatrous, lascivious, or lustful; or that would teach the opposite of the truth concerning our Father God's immeasurable faith hope love and eternal efforts for “each” and “all” of His prodigal children; until Colossians 1:20 and 1John 3:8 would eventually be fulfilled, when “hopefully” “all” might eventually be reconciled back to His Kingdom in Heaven as a result of the cross of Christ Jesus. (1Peter 3:18-20) (Matthew 19:30, 20:16, Mark 10:31) These Mystery Babylon communities are especially evident when they “martyr” those who attempt to expose doctrines of men and devils for the thievery, death and destruction they cause within our world and to Jesus' Kingdom. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Scripture teaches that Jesus is continually praying throughout His leadership's siftings and chastenings, in order that they would be taught the importance of continually converting and mentoring others to pursue loving-holiness towards “all” while simultaneously resisting all evil, “if” they would pray to remain one of His chosen ambassadors into the eternity ahead of them. Because of the Savior's prayers His mighty angels are continuously fulfilling 2Chronicles 16:9 without any favoritism within any culture or lineage, until “all” of His children would have matured and 1Corinthians 13:8-10 and Revelation 21 would be fulfilled and seen in the earth. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The results of Jesus' prayerful efforts would be that His children would have learned to work in concert with His Spirit to bring forth a best-case fulfillment of all apocalyptic “prophetic-scripture”, i.e. a best-case fulfillment of the Greek word katargeō in 1Corinthians 13:8, e.g. katargeō concerning Isaiah 17, Nahum 1:1&15c, Zephaniah 1:2,18c and 2:9. All the while the evil one, the devil Beelzebub, works to bring forth a worst-case fulfillment of all “prophetic-scripture,” by using the blasphemies, slanders, self-righteous bigotries, and Laodicean lethargy that all doctrines-of-men continually promote, whenever some wayward teachers have blindly used the Holy scriptures to multiply their sins towards God. As Paul was duped to do prior to his seeing Christ Jesus, and immediately he became a converted-universalist. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Revelation 21 reveals that at the end of this age every hardened soul who would have continually refused to receive the Gospel of the Kingdom into their hearts are destined to be left behind when Jesus' joint-heirs would be evacuated; and these few evil souls would then suffer for ages whenever a near earth nova would again sterilize the earth for a lengthy season. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Similarly to how judgment upon Jerusalem and its Church there was able to be minimized via the efforts of Jesus' Church prior to 70AD, what is being accomplished in our generation is again in the hands of Jesus' Holy Church, much more than in the hands of God's Holy Angels who are mighty in power but limited in number. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Because our Father God knows each of His children's fears and weaknesses, let us each pray that the Comforter would encourage God's ambassadors to be courageous and prudent, in order that they would pursue God's Holiness in a way that very soon the gates of hell will not prevail against the assaults by Jesus' Church. Only then would our Father God be glorified to our uttermost, and His ambassadors would have prepared the earth for Jesus' to reveal His New Jerusalem as a Day-Star in the eastern sky amidst the clouds of Heaven, at which time His “mercy will have triumphed over judgments” to the Glory of God the Father. [James 2:13] (Mark 14:62; Habakkuk 2:14) (2Peter 1:4; Revelation 12:11, 21:27)[/FONT]

So I post these narratives with the hope that some who might read them would be like the Bereans, and so these views might improve upon one's previous understandings, after some souls would prayerfully consider them in-context with our Father God's infinite love concerning all of His prodigal creatures, and His sovereignty over the choices He is continually making concerning every soul He has ever created and placed within this fallen world, in order to continually improve upon it throughout the eternity ahead of us all. [1 Corinthians 15:35-44]

Any helpful or edifying comments anyone?

A Servant of Jesus Christ
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PPS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we “all” might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]#[/FONT]63 “[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif” at <>http://www.christianforums.com/t7756553-7/#post63771233<> and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPPS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in the aforementioned gif file, what radically enlightened me to Beelzebub's powerfully enslaving “hatred” towards our Shekhinah Creator's vision for us all, was in the fact that the tallest pyramid that has ever been constructed by God's enslaved children was exactly 1.2 Greek Olympic “stadia” on each edge, which is exactly 1/10,000th the dimensions of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Also the pyramids in the Mid-East became tombs for ancient rulers who set themselves up as gods, and those in Central and South America became heinous platforms for innocent human sacrifices to occult demons who also set themselves up as gods. So let us pray for vision wisdom strength and courage and rise up and overcome evil with good as we would proclaim the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, and thereby work alongside the Heavenly Host in a much greater way in annihilating the works of the devil in our earth. His Kingdom come His will be done in the earth as it is done in Heaven, Amen, come quickly Lord Jesus.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPPPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT][/FONT]

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Bible2 · Mar 15, 2014

AJCServant said in post 154:

(1Peter 3:18-20)

1 Peter 3:18 means Jesus died once for all time (Romans 6:10, Hebrews 7:27, Hebrews 9:26-28, Hebrews 10:10,12), not for all people. For Jesus' sheep whom he died to save (John 10:11,14,15) are the elect (1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 Peter 4:1), those who are able to believe in him (John 10:27), and who will believe in him at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b), as opposed to the nonelect, who can't ever believe in him (John 8:42-47), because they aren't his sheep (John 10:26).

1 Peter 3:18 means Jesus died for unjust "us", i.e. the elect (1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 4:1), who all start out unjust (Romans 5:8).

AJCServant said in post 154:

. . . until “all” of His children would have matured and 1Corinthians 13:8-10 and Revelation 21 would be fulfilled and seen in the earth.

Note that Revelation 21 doesn't show universal salvation (Revelation 21:8).

AJCServant said in post 154:

. . . His children would have learned to work in concert with His Spirit to bring forth a best-case fulfillment of all apocalyptic "prophetic-scripture", i.e. a best-case fulfillment of the Greek word katargeo in 1Corinthians 13:8 . . .

1 Corinthians 13:8 doesn't mean any prophecy in Revelation will fail to come to pass, for it must all come to pass (Revelation 1:1-3, Revelation 4:1, Revelation 22:6). Instead, 1 Corinthians 13:8 is referring to the future cessation of the Spiritual gift of prophecy, which gift is referred to in the context (1 Corinthians 13:2,9, 1 Corinthians 12:10,11,28).

Also, in 1 Corinthians 13:8, in the original Greek, the difference in the "voice" of the verbs relates to the difference in how the Spiritual gifts of prophecy, tongues and the word of knowledge operate. The cessation of prophetic messages and words of knowledge is in the passive voice because it will be God who will cause prophetic messages and words of knowledge to cease at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 13:8-12). For when people receive the gift of prophecy or the word of knowledge (1 Corinthians 12:8,10) they still have to wait passively for God to give them prophetic messages or words of knowledge to speak forth (1 Corinthians 14:30-31). The cessation of tongues is in the middle voice because it will be tongues-speakers who will cease speaking in tongues on their own accord at the 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 13:8-12). For when a person receives the gift of a tongue, he usually receives a prayer (1 Corinthians 14:2,14) and it's usually a set prayer (like how the Lord's prayer is a set prayer) which the tongues-speaker can pray or not pray on his own accord (1 Corinthians 14:27-28) whenever he wants.

AJCServant said in post 154:

. . . e.g. katargeo concerning Isaiah 17, Nahum 1:1&15c, Zephaniah 1:2,18c and 2:9.

Regarding Isaiah 17, Damascus is said to be the oldest continually-inhabited city on the earth. But it could be nuked by Israel during a future all-out war (Isaiah 17:1). Yet this war will also break the power of Israel (Isaiah 17:4).

One way this war could happen is the U.S. could build up the Iraqi Army until it's huge enough and well-equipped enough to serve as a proxy army, for the U.S. and Israel, for an all-out ground invasion of Iran, in order to end Iran's nuclear weapons program and extremist regime. As part of the buildup of the Iraqi Army, the U.S. could reinstall some of the former Iraqi Baathist military hierarchy (i.e. that which existed under Baathist Saddam Hussein) to run the present Iraqi Army more efficiently and ruthlessly. And if the current Shiite-dominated government of Iraq balks at any invasion of fellow-Shiite Iran, this could lead the CIA, the Mossad, and possibly also (Sunni Arab) Saudi Intelligence, to bring about a Baathist coup d'etat in Iraq. For all 3 of these intelligence agencies would love for Iraq to attack their common mortal foe Iran, and the Iraqi Baathists could agree to do this, for they see meddling, non-Arab Iran as a great enemy of Arab autonomy.

To help get the Iraqi masses and the world behind the idea of an all-out Iraqi invasion of Iran, false-flag operations could be managed by the CIA and the Mossad by which it will be made to seem that (non-Arab, Persian) Iran is attacking the Iraqi Sunni Arabs and their little children terroristically with "dirty bombs" made from Iranian-enriched uranium, so that the Iraqi Arab masses will become enraged and begin to call for all-out retaliation against (what they could call) "the vile Persians". And the world could see an Iraqi invasion of Iran as being completely justified by self-defense.

But then, right when Iraq is all ready to invade Iran, the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel (who by that time could be led by a great miracle-working false Messiah: cf. Matthew 24:24) could destroy the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd-holiest sites in Islam) on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, to prepare the site for the building of a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). This could so enrage Muslims worldwide, including the (Muslim) Iraqi Army, that the Iraqi Baathist Generals could see it as a perfect excuse to abandon the plan to invade huge Iran, and instead (pretending that they're doing so in the name of Islam) turn and send their vast army against the little territory of Israel, completely defeating and occupying it (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

But this wouldn't be the ultimate reason for the Baathist attack, which could continue on south to also defeat and occupy Egypt (Daniel 11:15). For Egypt is ruled by the U.S.-supported Egyptian Army, which the Baathists could see as being a puppet of the U.S., just as they could see Israel as being a colony of the U.S. Baathism's ultimate aim is to unite all Arab lands from Oman to Morocco into one massive, powerful United Arab States free of all foreign hegemony.

The all-out Iraqi attack on Israel could be joined by the entire (Baathist) Syrian Army (with all of its missiles, many tipped with nerve agents), as well as by all of Iran's long-range missiles and all of Hezbollah's and Hamas' missiles and guerrillas. Israel could find itself suddenly attacked from 3 directions at the same time, with tens of thousands of missiles raining down on its cities and military bases, and tens of thousands of Iraqi tanks (meant to defeat and occupy huge Iran) pouring across its borders. As Israel starts to see its little sliver of land completely overrun, and sees that its total defeat and occupation is imminent and assured, in retaliation it could drop nuclear bombs on Baghdad, Damascus (Isaiah 17:1), Tehran, and other major cities of Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

There could be so many nuclear explosions sending so much radioactive dust and ash so high into the atmosphere that it could be blown eastward and fall on hugely-populated South Asia, ruining so many crop fields and immune systems there with radiation that 1/4 of the world's population could end up dying from the war and its aftermath of famines and epidemics. This could fulfill the horrible war which will begin the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which war will, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, end up killing 1/4 of the world (Revelation 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. This war could be blamed not only on the religious fundamentalism of Islam and Judaism, but also on religious fundamentalism in general, and so could lead to a worldwide crusade against all forms of religious fundamentalism, including Christian fundamentalism, i.e. the (correct) idea that the Bible is wholly true (2 Timothy 3:16, Matthew 4:4) and that all other religions are cursed (Galatians 1:8-9, John 14:6, John 3:36, Acts 4:12).

AJCServant said in post 154:

. . . e.g. katargeo concerning Isaiah 17, Nahum 1:1&15c, Zephaniah 1:2,18c and 2:9.

Nahum prophesied the fall of ancient Assyria with the sack of its capital Nineveh in 612 BC.

AJCServant said in post 154:

. . . e.g. katargeo concerning Isaiah 17, Nahum 1:1&15c, Zephaniah 1:2,18c and 2:9.

Zephaniah prophesied the destruction of the land of ancient Judah and neighboring countries by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC.

AJCServant said in post 154:

As Paul was duped to do prior to his seeing Christ Jesus, and immediately he became a converted-universalist.

Paul never became a universalist in the sense of teaching universal salvation (see post 131).

AJCServant · Mar 15, 2014

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I had previously posted the following excerpt and scripture into another thread, and now here for good-hearted-souls to consider the many scriptural admonition's concerning how the ruthless and lawless Beelzebub has oftentimes seduced some to fulfill> - - 2 Peter 3:16[/FONT].

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A strong delusion occurs whenever ones heart is far removed from mentoring others with God's love, and His life strengthening prudence.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah 29:13-14 - - Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the (demonic) doctrines-of-men: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.[/FONT]

Isaiah 29 ESV - The Siege of Jerusalem

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The previous scripture above, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 29:13-14[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], was most [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obviously[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] fulfilled in 70AD whenever the Jews were celebrating their mandatory feast days at Jerusalem while being surrounded by the Roman army.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Jewish Nation's corporate blindness that led to 70AD historically took root after the Babylonian Captivity whenever some religious legalistic scribes were allowed to use various scriptures as their authoritative proof-texts without others effectively voicing themselves concerning how the character and nature of God was being portrayed via those proof-texts. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Heavenly Father had obviously allowed these wayward texts to be published as tares within the scriptures - simply to train His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to learn to discern eternally holy doctrines that would promote God's holiness and love and vision for all of ones neighbors [+] from demonic-doctrines-of-men that do not.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And for His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to then learn how to work in concert with His Holy Spirit to reprove any slanders that promoted the opposite of the truth about His unchanging and eternal vision, nature and character. [Two scriptural examples of non-believing religious leaders who were being trained in God's ways of discernment were the scribe in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mark 12:28-34[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and Gamaleial in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Acts 5:34-39.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: To investigate how Jesus' definition of one's neighbor was contrary to a religious scribe's viewpoint see via this link to> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 10:29[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*: The most [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obvious[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]example of a [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic-doctrine-of-men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] inserted into the Torah is> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Numbers 15:30-36[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]whereby the words used for cut-off should never have implied executing anyone by pelting them to death with stones[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], since these were the words used to admonish the faithful non-idolaters to separate themselves from any persons who blatantly chose to be idolatrous and or to pursue self-destructive heathen practices; as Moses admonished in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Leviticus 19:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and as Jesus admonished in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 18:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and afterwards the Apostle Paul again repeated these same admonitions via his writings in> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 5:11[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Whenever we look at the maturing process within the lives and writings of Paul and Peter, we see that our loving Creator was continually without favoritism gently pruning, sifting, chastening and encouraging them until their final day. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One can easily see Paul's maturing process within the following review of his writings.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dates given below were obtained from the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]notes within the [/FONT]ESV-Study-Bible.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD57 Romans 5 (cf 1John 2:2) - all justified and made righteous[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD57 Romans 11:32 - all receive mercy[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 1Cor 5:5 destruction of their demon possessed flesh -[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- so their spirit may be saved [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]eternally[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 1Cor 15:22 - all made alive in Christ[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 1Cor 15:27 - all subject to him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 2Cor 5:19 - all reconciled[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 Eph 1:9-10 - all gathered up in him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 Phil 2:10-11 - all will worship him[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 Col 1:20 - all reconciled in Christ[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 1Tim 2:4 - salvation of all desired[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 1Tim 2:6 - Christ was ransomed for all[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 1Tim 4:10 - Christ was savior of all - [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]-[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]especially (and therefore not limited to) those who believe[/FONT]

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When Paul was less [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in his writings he wrote as is noted in this link to> - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in ~AD48[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] . . . [/FONT]

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Hi all,

I re-posted the above for clarity to elaborate on another's post.

Let us always remind our "souls" our "children" and our "neighbors" that scripture teaches over and over that delusions "always" begin with a hard-heart [+] towards God and an idolatrous "love" for oneself or for sin or for pleasures, which leads one to NOT make the efforts to "learn" the truth about our Father God's Spirit and nature and character and which results in His eternal vision for us "all", "if" we are willing to agape-love Him.

We all need to be better mentors to our culture and to prepare the way for the Blessed-Hope, that "I" pray could soon occur in a glorious and fruitful way, in spite of Beelzebub's seductions to steal, kill, and destroy via the teachings of prodigal-heretics. Who, similarly to what occurred with Paul and also via the legend of "righteous" Job, it will be our Father God's nature and character to always agape-love any prodigal child without favoritism eternally, with the hope they will return to work in His fields alongside His household sooner rather than later; even though presently they had not yet prayed from a good-heart to discern the obvious "truth" about the demonic-doctrines they are promoting, and will suffer for their errs, similarly to Paul and Job's sufferings.

Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant

shturt678s · Mar 15, 2014

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Hi all,

I re-posted the above for clarity to elaborate on another's post.

Let us always remind our "souls" our "children" and our "neighbors" that scripture teaches over and over that delusions "always" begin with

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a lack of an agape for the truth, eg, IIThess.2:10b.

a hard-heart [+] towards God and an idolatrous "love" for oneself or for sin or for pleasures, which leads one to NOT make the efforts to "learn" the truth about our Father God's Spirit and nature and character and which results in His eternal vision for us "all", "if" we are willing to agape-love Him.

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We all need to be better mentors to our culture and to prepare the way for the Blessed-Hope, that "I" pray could soon occur in a glorious and fruitful way, in spite of Beelzebub's seductions to steal, kill, and destroy via the teachings of prodigal-heretics. Who, similarly to what occurred with Paul and also via the legend of "righteous" Job, it will be our Father God's nature and character to always agape-love any prodigal child without favoritism eternally, with the hope they will return to work in His fields alongside His household sooner rather than later; even though presently they had not yet prayed from a good-heart to discern the obvious "truth" about the demonic-doctrines they are promoting, and will suffer for their errs, similarly to Paul and Job's sufferings.

Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant

Old Jack,

btw I don't have that truth

AJCServant · Mar 16, 2014

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When Paul was less “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” in his writings he wrote as is noted in this link to>- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in ~AD48 that he had wished that any “Judaizers” who taught that the circumcision of one's flesh was necessary to obtain salvation in Jesus, would further “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]castrate[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” themselves[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As Paul[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]matured[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” beyond his earlier writings such as [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in ~AD48 [/FONT]he then cogently discussed the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chastening[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the Lord in his writings below, that obviously helped him in his “maturing” process, even though from his further writings his personality obviously continued to be a fiery-one on various occasions.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Corinthians 9:27 - - But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Corinthians 11:32 - - But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 – 2Corinthians 6:9 - - As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 – [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Corinthians 12:7 - - OR - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Corinthians 12:7-9[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 7 Or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited (arrogant-prideful), I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Satan[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], to torment me. 8 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Three times[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Now let us consider the next excerpt statement from the previous Post #137 in light of the “obviousness” of our Shekhinah Father Creator's eternal-purity and infinite-love and patience towards His prodigal children, - -[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{whose infinite love in past ages has encouraged the heavenly host of angels to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we “all” might see someday as seen in the image “NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif” that is attached within another thread at this link to>- Post #63 @ <>http:// www. christianforums. com/ t7756553-7/#post63771233<>} - - [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]VERSUS the “obviousness” of Beelzebub's cruel hatred to seduce or possess some to become perverse in order to cause their waywardness to kill themselves after a “horrible” time of “suffering”. This is what occurred with his prodigal “chosen” people in 70AD, and in our modern day also occurs with many sufferings for sexually-promiscuous-prodigals, and similar sufferings occurred more rampantly in ancient times throughout other “idolatrous” cultures who had never been taught the "wisdom" of their Creator's laws and ways and vision for us "all".[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that whenever someone or an entire culture becomes obliviously demonically-trained or possibly “totally-possesed”, then their Father God's infinite mercy is seen in Paul's teaching in - - 1Corinthians 5:5 - - that encourages - - To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be (eternally) saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that because of the destruction of their flesh the following scriptures might then also be fulfilled for the sake of these persons and all others who they could have mentored with their “errs”.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][Luke 9:55 - - But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. & 2Peter 2:4 - - Putting them in chains . . . & Jude 1:6 - - Bound with everlasting chains.][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NOW let us consider the next excerpted statement from the previous Post #137 that is likely identical as to how most Calvinistic theology would teach about our eternal Heavenly Father's vision for His “eternal” creations.[/FONT]

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Bible2 said:

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 5:44-48[+++] doesn't mean God loves all his enemies, for he hates his nonelect enemies (Romans 9:11-13[+]).

It's not hypocritical for God to tell us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44[+++]) while he hates his nonelect enemies (Romans 9:11-13[+]). For just as God as Creator has the right to create some people to be nonelect vessels of his wrath (Romans 9:20-22[++]) and other people to be elect vessels of his mercy (Romans 9:23[++]), so God as Creator has the right to hate the nonelect and love the elect (Romans 9:11-13[+]). [/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 9:11-13[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]11 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][++: Romans 9:20-23 - - 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.][/FONT]

[+++: Click-Link to Matthew 5:44-48 - - Be ye therefore perfect (mature), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Please "consider" the three scriptures [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]have been posted after the excerpt given above, whereby we all need to again “remind” ourselves of Peter's cogent admonitions in order to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NOT[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] allow our efforts to fulfill 2 Peter 3:16 as some others have "oftentimes" been seduced to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]stray[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] who have come before us.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][Luke 9:55 - - But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. & 2Peter 2:4 - - Putting them in chains . . . & Jude 1:6 - - Bound with everlasting chains.][/FONT]

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Hi all,

I re-posted the above for clarity to elaborate on another's post.

Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Christ Jesus
AJCServant

AJCServant · Apr 3, 2014

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Originally Posted by [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Bible2[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

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Paul never taught universal salvation, because not everyone will be saved (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity. [/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Without the Holy Spirit's guidance the above noted verses in “The Book of Matthew” and also some within the other three gospels would “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]appear[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” to be “contrary” to Paul's writings given previously and again posted below. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Whereby our present generation's most legalistic-literalist theologians have attributed all of the gospel writings to have been the “exact” words of the Savior when the anointed Christ spoke them during His earthly ministry.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To compare the “obviousness” of Paul's writings with the words attributed to Jesus I have again listed below a fairly extensive list of Paul's “universalist” writings that I have edited using the King James Version Bible.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The number of verses that “offer” a welcoming “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]universalist[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” entreaty towards “any” disparaged and perhaps self-destructive “prodigal” for them to seek to be “reconciled” with God and “all” others is impressive[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 5 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Therefore being justified by [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]faith[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]faith[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 6 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. 8 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 11:32 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] For God hath concluded them all in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]unbelief[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], that He might have mercy upon [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 5:5 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]saved[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in the day of the Lord Jesus.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 15:22 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] be made alive.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 15:27 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] For He hath put [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] things under his feet.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Corinthians 5:19 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]the whole world[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ephesians 1:10 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Philippians 2:10-11 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] That at the name of Jesus [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]every[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]every[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Colossians 1:20 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by Him to reconcile [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Timothy 2:4 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Who will have [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Timothy 2:6 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Who gave Himself a ransom for [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], to be testified in due time.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Timothy 4:10 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] men, specially of those that believe.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Compare the “tone” of the previous verses by a holy Paul to the “tone” of the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]following verses written by the holy John and Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]cf 1 John 2:2 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]whole[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] world. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AND 2 Peter 3:9[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]not willing that any should perish[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], but that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] should come to repentance[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

And compare Paul's writings to the Ephesians with Peter's writings that are both given as follows[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ephesians 4:8 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]he led captivity captive[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and gave gifts unto men.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Peter 3:18-22 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but “quickened” by the Spirit: 19 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. 21 The like figure where-unto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In my own literalist writer-editor's viewpoint[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - the above scriptures were written to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]encourage[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] an [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]open-door[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]potential[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” for universal-salvation towards “all” those who may need some hope in their daily battles within their flesh, which for “all” of us are battles against Beelzebub's many many seductions, oppressions, depressions and possessions.

[/FONT]James 4:7 teaches us all, "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee."

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So I post again below the question that I posted earlier so that some would post their own research concerning “any” of "Paul's" writings that would similarly-obviously promote a [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]message of a [/FONT]“limited” "eternal" salvation towards any of mankind, who we all since Adam and Eve have been born into this fallen world to eventually become one of Jesus' lost “sheep” at one time or another, or from another view we are also born to become one of His Father's prodigal “children” at one time or another.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Although “I” have been taught by Jesus' Holy Spirit to never teach anyone at any time that foreordained predestined “universalism” is a doctrine from God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]since it is obviously a demonic-doctrine-of-men that would promote an unholiness amongst any who would believe it[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [*+] and since all the eternal-spirits, such as ourselves, will always continually and eternally have a free-will whether to forgive God and others and themselves and to then accept Jesus as their Lord or not; [*++] [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua, serif]yet are there "any" scriptures that “Paul” wrote that do NOT imply that God's hope would be for His Church to promote a universalist-vision towards “all” sinners?[/FONT]

Note: a semi-universalist view[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] by some who were not greater than John the Baptist [+] is found in [*+: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah 14:20[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] & [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ezekiel 28:18-19[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ] and also for our own eternal-salvation this action is "required" via [*++: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 18:34-35[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ] Additional side-note about anyone who after the cross has entered into the "Kingdom of God": [+: [/FONT]Matthew 11:11[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and [/FONT]Luke 7:28[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. I continually pray they all will eventually become eternally fruitful towards everyone who might someday be like the Bereans who would read this thread and would “consider” the truths therein.

Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Jesus Christ
AJCServant
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT]

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