Why the 'obsession' with homosexuality?

[LittleNipper]

Then stop promoting your own personal morality.

I don't. I promote GOD's WORD and not my own. It's not even a matter of reading into the Bible. It is there clearly for anyone to read.

 

[LittleNipper]

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.

However, you'll be interested to know that women have three things that men can't imitate at all.



Ah, yes - just like "LittleNipper" means only an aggressive and badly-trained lapdog, I suppose.

No, Little Nipper is His MASTER's Voice.

 

[WatersMoon110]

No, Little Nipper is His MASTER's Voice.

Seriously, you believe yourself to be the voice of God? The Metatron?

Delusions of grandeur much?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

No, I've always have stated that homosexual sex is evil. The person trapped in that sin is loved by GOD, but the sin is not. Show me in the Bible where the statement is heretical. I didn't squirm an inch.

Here are your own words:

Let's substitute the word "adulterer" everywhere you typed "homosexual."
Let's substitute the word "fornicator" everywhere you typed "homosexual."
Let's substitute the word "pedofile"everywhere you typed "homosexual."

YOU are the one who personalized it...you "blackmarked" them.

"Love the sinner" my patootie!

 

[seeker777]

Oh and to be on topic ... my personal obsession with homosexuality is an obsession with the threads on the topic. I have a great kid, she's not straight. She's not a lot of things, she's not rebellious, she's not obnoxious, she's not mean, she's not disobedient. (hmm.. she's occasionally obnoxious.. but she generally reserves it for the privacy of the family home)

She needs, like all other people, to be relatively safe as she ventures out into the world away from the shelter of a fanatically supportive family. For every kid like her who has parents who really truly don't care what gender she is attracted to there are probably a dozen kids who don't know if their parents will support them, or know for sure they won't. For every kid ensconced in the safety of a Christian church that cherishes them and teaches them Christ will never abandon them, that God loves them exactly as he made them there are hundreds who hear the exact opposite. For that reason I have to be the pain in the tush who stands on the soap box and insists that those people who trash gays do not represent all of us -- so I'll be the annoying middle class white Christian lady liberal who nips at the heals of those who insist on posting what amounts to hate threads.

This is what it is all about...real people, real lives, real feelings.

Wonderful post.

I grew up with two male twins....one of the boys in their late teens was a well known womanizer and the other, certainly had his fair share of the ladies.

One of the boys came out of the closet about 10 years ago and the other boy is obviously still straight.

Let me tell you this....there father was a fireman ( Manly job don't you think LOL), as far as I know, there mother was a stay at home mom ( I could be wrong). The homosexual twin did not choose to be gay one day in his early 20's...just as his twin brother didn't make the choice to be straight.

Let me be clear, it is obvious looking back that the now openly gay twin was compensating for what he really felt...as he was always around girls and the girls flocked to him.

So, once again....real people, not just some abstract ideas and spouted poison at some anonymous people.

I have a cousin in her 40's who just married a woman who is in her 50's. How's this for some crazy coincidences...I work with the ladies 30 some year old son!! Yeah right, this lady in her 50's decided to become gay one day and leave her husband!

Enough enough enough enough....for the absolute vast majority, it is not a choice.

Homosexuals and Lesbians are people with real feelings, real emotions and the majority were born with a same sex attraction.

 

[seeker777]

Oh and to be on topic ... my personal obsession with homosexuality is an obsession with the threads on the topic. I have a great kid, she's not straight. She's not a lot of things, she's not rebellious, she's not obnoxious, she's not mean, she's not disobedient. (hmm.. she's occasionally obnoxious.. but she generally reserves it for the privacy of the family home)

She needs, like all other people, to be relatively safe as she ventures out into the world away from the shelter of a fanatically supportive family. For every kid like her who has parents who really truly don't care what gender she is attracted to there are probably a dozen kids who don't know if their parents will support them, or know for sure they won't. For every kid ensconced in the safety of a Christian church that cherishes them and teaches them Christ will never abandon them, that God loves them exactly as he made them there are hundreds who hear the exact opposite. For that reason I have to be the pain in the tush who stands on the soap box and insists that those people who trash gays do not represent all of us -- so I'll be the annoying middle class white Christian lady liberal who nips at the heals of those who insist on posting what amounts to hate threads.

This is what it is all about...real people, real lives, real feelings.

Wonderful post.

I grew up with two male twins....one of the boys in their late teens was a well known womanizer and the other, certainly had his fair share of the ladies. ( yes I know sinful, but I'm talking about teenagers and REAL life.)

One of the boys came out of the closet about 10 years ago and the other boy is obviously still straight.

Let me tell you this....their father was a fireman ( Manly job don't you think LOL), as far as I know, there mother was a stay at home mom ( I could be wrong). The homosexual twin did not choose to be gay one day in his early 20's...just as his twin brother didn't make the choice to be straight.

Let me be clear, it is obvious looking back that the now openly gay twin was compensating for what he really felt...as he was always around girls and the girls flocked to him.

So, once again....real people, not just some abstract ideas and spouted poison at some anonymous people.

I have a cousin in her 40's who just married a woman who is in her 50's. How's this for some crazy coincidences...I work with the ladies 30 some year old son!! Yeah right, this lady in her 50's decided to become gay one day and leave her husband!

Enough enough enough enough....for the absolute vast majority, it is not a choice. If you choose to believe that, then your eyes are firmly closed or your heads buried deep in the sand.

Homosexuals and Lesbians are people with real feelings, real emotions and the majority were born with a same sex attraction.

 

[seeker777]

Duplicate.

 

[PetersKeys]

Ohhhhh, I want muffins.

There's been research done to show that kids who grow up in same sex parent households are just as well adjusted as kids with heterosexual parents. So how exactly does sexual orientation equate with good parenting?

Oh really?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141198,00.html

"The survey revealed a high rate of legal divorce among homosexual couples in Sweden. Gay male couples were 50% more likely to divorce within an eight-year period than were heterosexuals; and lesbian couples were 167% more likely to divorce than heterosexual couples."


"According to IMAPP: "Even among childless households, same-sex male partnerships experienced almost a 50% higher likelihood (1.49 times as likely) of divorce during the study period, while childless lesbian couples were three times as likely (200% higher likelihood) to break up as a married couple without children."

http://www.narth.com/docs/sweden.html


No, she's serving me cow dung(which is what meadow muffins are) lol


Yes there may be a few well adjusted kids. But it is still unfair to them that they do not have a mother(or father for lesbian parents). True love involves sacrifice, and if they truely loved the child they would give them that opporotunity. I find it selfish for someone to deprive a child of that. Kin is more important than sexual orientation.

 

[ReverendDG]

Oh really?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141198,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141198,00.html
nice red herring there, divorce has what to do with the ability of gay parents to raise happy children?

"The survey revealed a high rate of legal divorce among homosexual couples in Sweden. Gay male couples were 50% more likely to divorce within an eight-year period than were heterosexuals; and lesbian couples were 167% more likely to divorce than heterosexual couples."


"According to IMAPP: "Even among childless households, same-sex male partnerships experienced almost a 50% higher likelihood (1.49 times as likely) of divorce during the study period, while childless lesbian couples were three times as likely (200% higher likelihood) to break up as a married couple without children."

http://www.narth.com/docs/sweden.html

yeah lets use one of the most bias groups ever to exist, come on at least pick a source that doesn't lie about gay people

No, she's serving me cow dung(which is what meadow muffins are) lol

seems that you don't like hearing the honest truth

Yes there may be a few well adjusted kids. But it is still unfair to them that they do not have a mother(or father for lesbian parents).

evidence please that it is unfair, you keep saying this but you give no support.
which is better, no parents that love you or ones that do that happen to be gay?

True love involves sacrifice, and if they truely loved the child they would give them that opporotunity. I find it selfish for someone to deprive a child of that.

nice empty rhetoric, but still just empty. as i have asked many times before, which is better no parents that love you, or parents that do that happen to be gay?

Kin is more important than sexual orientation.

love and caring is more important than kinship, or do you consider adopted kids unloved because the people that love them are not kin?

you show your true colors, you could care less that gay people deserve love and want to love children that otherwise wouldn't have loving families.

i can honestly say this, you make me sick

 

[Big Empty Circle]

Oh really?

(link removed because my posts are under 50; see PetersKeys' post above for the full link)

"The survey revealed a high rate of legal divorce among homosexual couples in Sweden. Gay male couples were 50% more likely to divorce within an eight-year period than were heterosexuals; and lesbian couples were 167% more likely to divorce than heterosexual couples."

(other link removed ... man that's annoying)


No, she's serving me cow dung(which is what meadow muffins are) lol


Yes there may be a few well adjusted kids. But it is still unfair to them that they do not have a mother(or father for lesbian parents). True love involves sacrifice, and if they truely loved the child they would give them that opporotunity. I find it selfish for someone to deprive a child of that. Kin is more important than sexual orientation.

Fox and Narth versus the American Psychological Association for the lose!

Fox's is anecdotal -- "Look, this couple and this couple divorced! Never mind the thousands still married, many among whom have been together for years or even decades, without even having the benefits and protections affored married couples -- how many heterosexual couples can make a similar claim?" Odd the perspectives Fox chooses... And as to the NARTH, despite the myriad ways I could explain their statistics away even if they ARE accurate (might you not rush into an ill-conceived marriage if you thought this might be the ONLY WEEK IN YOUR LIFE you'd be permitted to do so?) but really, I'm not going to take seriously anything from a source whose open and stated purpose (and fiscal future) depends on making people think they shouldn't be gay. It would be like believing Pizza Hut if they claimed that people who eat pizza are 138% more likely to get promoted than people who don't.

At any rate, the "same-sex divorce" statistics have no bearing on queer people's capacity for parenting in general -- it isn't as if adoption agencies are going to grant children to couples (of any sex) who have been married a few months and are already on the rocks, nor is it probable that at any point in the brief, heated, tempestuous marriages questionably described by these articles they thought about getting a kid. Point being, I would hope that any adoption agency would evaluate any potential parents on the same strict standards for stability and security, among others, regardless of their orientation -- whatever the statistics, assuming adoption agencies can be bothered to scrutinize applicants more thoroughly than "Straight - okay; gay - no way," there's no reason same-sex parents should be blanketly barred from adoption.

What makes it unfair to a child not to have a mother and father? That's as baseless and unfounded as me saying it's unfair for a child not to have two mothers so ONLY lesbians should raise kids. The gender of two parents isn't important as long as they provide a loving, stable home (which not all will manage to do, of course, even given careful adoption agencies, any more than all heterosexuals will be able to do -- but the point is not proving that same-sex couples make IDEAL parents, just that they don't mess it up any more than straight couples... which I've yet to see evidence that they do.)

 

[FaithLikeARock]

The answer is simple. It's a distraction.

If so-called Christians can bring attention to something like homosexuality, then maybe people won't see what Christianity is guilty of. Is it surprising that you never see Christians accuse divorce of destroying families even though it directly affects families? Because Christians are most guilty of divorce and then remarriage. People don't like to bring attention to that. After all, divorce isn't bad. Not at all. If we say it is, that'll turn people away. We need to pick something that's easy to not like and concentrate on that.

The fact is, all sins are equal in the eyes of God but if there was a sin God didn't care about, it would probably be homosexuality. Has no consequences, has nothing really connected too it. Most homosexual people live strong fulfilling lives and have deep intimate and spiritual connections with their partner the same which you would find in a heterosexual relationship, maybe even moreso. They aren't sex obsessed, they don't hate kids and they don't think that God somehow messed up on their gender. They're just attracted to the same sex. Let's say there is some kind of scale. You have a person whose only "sin", their whole life, is being homosexual. Marrying another homosexual, etc. etc. And then you have another person whose only sin is pride. That prideful persons sin would weigh a lot more than the homosexuals "sin".

And some people might notice that comparison.

 

[Beanieboy]

Oh and to be on topic ... my personal obsession with homosexuality is an obsession with the threads on the topic. I have a great kid, she's not straight. She's not a lot of things, she's not rebellious, she's not obnoxious, she's not mean, she's not disobedient. (hmm.. she's occasionally obnoxious.. but she generally reserves it for the privacy of the family home)

She needs, like all other people, to be relatively safe as she ventures out into the world away from the shelter of a fanatically supportive family. For every kid like her who has parents who really truly don't care what gender she is attracted to there are probably a dozen kids who don't know if their parents will support them, or know for sure they won't. For every kid ensconced in the safety of a Christian church that cherishes them and teaches them Christ will never abandon them, that God loves them exactly as he made them there are hundreds who hear the exact opposite. For that reason I have to be the pain in the tush who stands on the soap box and insists that those people who trash gays do not represent all of us -- so I'll be the annoying middle class white Christian lady liberal who nips at the heals of those who insist on posting what amounts to hate threads.

I greatly appreciate it. As Pride approaches, one of the things that most of the gay people cheer for the most is PFLAG. That's I think many of us wish we had those people as our parents. I had a friend who spoke to his mother ever day, only to stop speaking to him for 5 years when he came out. I have known kids kicked out of the house. I read about the kid in Wisconsin beaten so badly they broke his rib, while the teachers did nothing. In response, the Principal said, "Well, you are going to have to expect that."
I was raised in a strong Christian family, and went to a strongly Christian church, and only heard about the hatred that God had for me, because I was gay. I've known people that have committed suicide over it, families torn apart by it, and mostly because it is the focus of the Church, the issue du jour. But it isn't just an issue. It's people's lives at stake.

I went to see my parents 20 yrs after coming out. They invited my partner and I over to have breakfast and talk with us alone. It's the first time they have ever really indicated that they wanted me to come home, rather than feel that I was some kind of embarrassment that they needed to hide from everyone else. For them, it took 20 years. So you words, already embracing your daughter, are extremely heartwarming, and healing, as well as brave.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I don't. I promote GOD's WORD and not my own. It's not even a matter of reading into the Bible. It is there clearly for anyone to read.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John 13:34-35

All I ever see you do is ignore God’s word

 

[PetersKeys]

Fox and Narth versus the American Psychological Association for the lose!

Fox's is anecdotal -- "Look, this couple and this couple divorced! Never mind the thousands still married, many among whom have been together for years or even decades, without even having the benefits and protections affored married couples -- how many heterosexual couples can make a similar claim?" Odd the perspectives Fox chooses... And as to the NARTH, despite the myriad ways I could explain their statistics away even if they ARE accurate (might you not rush into an ill-conceived marriage if you thought this might be the ONLY WEEK IN YOUR LIFE you'd be permitted to do so?) but really, I'm not going to take seriously anything from a source whose open and stated purpose (and fiscal future) depends on making people think they shouldn't be gay. It would be like believing Pizza Hut if they claimed that people who eat pizza are 138% more likely to get promoted than people who don't.

At any rate, the "same-sex divorce" statistics have no bearing on queer people's capacity for parenting in general -- it isn't as if adoption agencies are going to grant children to couples (of any sex) who have been married a few months and are already on the rocks, nor is it probable that at any point in the brief, heated, tempestuous marriages questionably described by these articles they thought about getting a kid. Point being, I would hope that any adoption agency would evaluate any potential parents on the same strict standards for stability and security, among others, regardless of their orientation -- whatever the statistics, assuming adoption agencies can be bothered to scrutinize applicants more thoroughly than "Straight - okay; gay - no way," there's no reason same-sex parents should be blanketly barred from adoption.

What makes it unfair to a child not to have a mother and father? That's as baseless and unfounded as me saying it's unfair for a child not to have two mothers so ONLY lesbians should raise kids. The gender of two parents isn't important as long as they provide a loving, stable home (which not all will manage to do, of course, even given careful adoption agencies, any more than all heterosexuals will be able to do -- but the point is not proving that same-sex couples make IDEAL parents, just that they don't mess it up any more than straight couples... which I've yet to see evidence that they do.)

The gender IS important because of maternal instinct and chivalry, there are things only a mother can give, and things only a father can give. A child whos been adopted by 2 gay men is going to lack the mothering and nuturing qualitys that only a mother can give. Also breastfeeding is important also to the development of the child since formula too early can cause problems. I don't have a problem with someone who has gay sexual urges to adopt a child, as long as he gives up that lifestyle and gets married to a woman he loves. Its possible for someone who has a gay sexual orientation to fall in love with a woman and that effort should be made for the child and the wellbeing of himself. That is the loving thing to do if he truely cares for the child. Like I said , its unfair to the child to deprive him of that all because of sexual orientation.

 

[BigBadWlf]

No, Little Nipper is His MASTER's Voice.

"You can safely conclude you have created God in your own image when it turns out that He hates all the same people you do" - Anne Lamott

 

[Altalia Slosky]

The gender IS important because of maternal instinct, there are things only a mother can give, and things only a father can give. A child whos been adopted by 2 gay men is going to lack the mothering and nuturing qualitys that only a mother can give. Also breastfeeding is important also to the development of the child since formula too early can cause problems. I don't have a problem with someone who has gay sexual urges to adopt a child, as long as he gives up that lifestyle and gets married to a woman he loves. Its possible for someone who has a gay sexual orientation to fall in love with a woman and that effort should be made for the child and the wellbeing of himself.

So single parents shouldn't adopt as well? My brother and I were raised by our mother (our father died when we were young) and we have both turned out well. Really, if a child is raised in a loving environment it doesn't matter the sex or status of the parent(s). I would rather a child be raised by homosexual parents who love and care for the child than heterosexual parents who abuse and neglect the child.

 

[Beanieboy]

I've met guys who have tried to "change" by marrying a woman, and even having a couple of kids. Inevitably, the woman wasn't satisfied, because her husband wasn't interested, he had to admit that he was still gay, and they ended up getting a divorce.

and that is you WIN WIN solution????

 

[seeker777]

Duplicate

 

[PetersKeys]

I've met guys who have tried to "change" by marrying a woman, and even having a couple of kids. Inevitably, the woman wasn't satisfied, because her husband wasn't interested, he had to admit that he was still gay, and they ended up getting a divorce.

and that is you WIN WIN solution????

It takes a while to find the right woman. That is a whole other different story. The point is that the effort should be made. There are things parents have to deprive themselves for the sake of their children, its called sacrifice and love.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The answer is simple. It's a distraction.

If so-called Christians can bring attention to something like homosexuality, then maybe people won't see what Christianity is guilty of.

Not Christian people. All Evangelical Churches keep sin in proper and accurate context.

Is it surprising that you never see Christians accuse divorce of destroying families even though it directly affects families?

This proves you have never listened to a sermon in a Christian Church or ever listened to Christian radio. The consistent message is always that divorce destroys families. Literally not figuratively. It will not cause you to become a Christian to listen to or read Focus on the FAMILY OR, listen to Promise Keepers on divorce. Your assertion is bizarre in how wrong it is.

Because Christians are most guilty of divorce and then remarriage.

Hmm, what if Christians didn't get married at all (like secularists) and just conveniently had zillions of sex partners like non and anti-Christians do? Then they wouldn't be considered in the divorce rates canard. If we figure in how many non and anti-Christians have sexual encounters and equated them with "a partnership" then we would see the numbers stagger the secularist with their own immorality. Ahhh, but secularists don't find promiscuity as anything wrong. How convenient.

People don't like to bring attention to that. After all, divorce isn't bad. Not at all. If we say it is, that'll turn people away. We need to pick something that's easy to not like and concentrate on that.

Name one "Bible based denomination that promotes divorce as easily as does the secular world? In Christianity there is no such thing as no-fault divorce except for the exact reason quoted of Jesus in the Gospel. The innocent spouse of an adulterer can leave.

The fact is, all sins are equal in the eyes of God but if there was a sin God didn't care about, it would probably be homosexuality.

It is so abhorant to God that it isn't even given consideration as a possibility except as what pagans do. Jesus doesn't present unrepentant "pagans and tax collectors" in such high regard. You need to read a Bible. It doesn't cause any pain (physically).

Has no consequences, has nothing really connected too it. Most homosexual people live strong fulfilling lives and have deep intimate and spiritual connections with their partner the same which you would find in a heterosexual relationship, maybe even moreso. They aren't sex obsessed, they don't hate kids and they don't think that God somehow messed up on their gender.

The mind conditioning of the GLBT culture and community is known all to well by the Christian community. I'd like to see a study of how gay "couples" view promiscuity of their significant other. I have lived in gay communities, so you can't fool me. And GLBT's are so sex obsessed, that they literally have their sexual proclivies define them. Literally.

They're just attracted to the same sex. Let's say there is some kind of scale. You have a person whose only "sin", their whole life, is being homosexual.

This is the new myth. That homosexuals are the saintliest people on TV. Totally different in reality when going to just a few gay bars. Not even the most attractive straight guy can have 50 sexual encounters a night. That happens in gay bars.

[quoteMarrying another homosexual, etc. etc. And then you have another person whose only sin is pride. That prideful persons sin would weigh a lot more than the homosexuals "sin".

And some people might notice that comparison.[/quote]

I'm sorry did you say "pride?" As in Gay Pride perhaps? Another little label self-applied by the "G" LBT community. They even have a flag to honor that. Rainbow colored right? I like the older word "haughty" for sexual licentiousness. It fits better.