Why the 'obsession' with homosexuality?

[PassionFruit]

I think some christians are worried because the gay community is going after marriage(holy matrimony), and thus an attack on family and children. Marriage is a great stabilizing factor on society, and if it is changed a whole ripple wave effect of problems will happen in the future.. Personally I don't think they would be in the limelight if they would keep it out of the courts and out of marriage. I don't think the gay community understands the effect of what changing marriage would do to the dignity and structure of marriage.

How is it an attack on family? How is two men or women getting have an impact on your marriage? And how would it change the structure of marriage? The definition of marriage has changed throughout history. And what problems are you referring to?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

So you believe in blackmarking a sinner rather than sin. This is the total opposite of loving the sinner but not the sin. Interesting.

No - YOU are the one who blackmarked the sinner....which is exactly why I responded the way I did.

Interesting you find the need to squirm a little...


ETA - Also, I have NEVER subscribed to "love the sinner, hate the sin." It's heretical, hypocritical BS.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

People who have and promote their own personal morality are in rebellion to GOD.

Then stop promoting your own personal morality.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I think some christians are worried because the gay community is going after marriage(holy matrimony), and thus an attack on family and children.

Ridiculous. How on earth does that follow?
*Runs to the kitchen to whip up a batch of Meadow Muffins!

Marriage is a great stabilizing factor on society, and if it is changed a whole ripple wave effect of problems will happen in the future.. Personally I don't think they would be in the limelight if they would keep it out of the courts and out of marriage. I don't think the gay community understands the effect of what changing marriage would do to the dignity and structure of marriage.

You all are doing a fine job of removing dignity and structure of marriage with your 50% divorce rate and spousal/child abuse issues.

You said it yourself - it provides stability. Why should we not be afforded the same stability as you?

 

[selfinflikted]

you can't just dismiss it. The problem still remains. It is known, for thousands of years, that a child instinctively responds and needs both mother and father.

I just did dismiss it, because your claim is bogus. If you can provide something that shows kids that grow up in two-parent gay households are somehow at a disadvantage, then please present it.

 

[Archer93]

To be facetious back:
Why would the orientation of the sex ed teacher matter? Do practicing heterosexuals have a better knowledge of health and biology than homosexuals?

I know you're being facetious, but oh, really not.
Anecdotal evidence- I have many gay and bisexual male friends. They are, without exception, very clued up as to disease transfer risks and the ways to reduce or eliminate these risks. They go to sexual health clinics regularly for check-ups.
Many of my straight male friends are not so well informed or careful- several, despite having been sexually active for over 20 years in some cases, have never had a check-up.
If I want information on sexual health, I know who to ask and it's not the straight guys.
Of course, I would expect a sex ed teacher to know the most of all of them.

 

[PassionFruit]

Ridiculous. How on earth does that follow?
*Runs to the kitchen to whip up a batch of Meadow Muffins!

Ohhhhh, I want muffins.

There's been research done to show that kids who grow up in same sex parent households are just as well adjusted as kids with heterosexual parents. So how exactly does sexual orientation equate with good parenting?

 

[wanderingone]

wanting to change marriage so it no longer means mother and father is attacking marriage.

Marriage doesn't mean "mother and father" -

Children without mother(or father) is probably the biggest problem. Not only does it create awkwardness in the child which will effect his growing up but it will dull the paternal instinct that the child needs and responds too. Paternal instinct is very important in family and for the development in the child. The chivalry of husband and wife will be damaged..

Which has what to do with marriage?
Which has what to do with an obsession with homosexuality?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Ohhhhh, I want muffins.

You don't want these muffins...they are specially made for PetersKeys.

However - have your pick of any of the lovely assortement in the case.

Just avoid the meadow muffins.

 

[wanderingone]

I know you're being facetious, but oh, really not.
Anecdotal evidence- I have many gay and bisexual male friends. They are, without exception, very clued up as to disease transfer risks and the ways to reduce or eliminate these risks. They go to sexual health clinics regularly for check-ups.
Many of my straight male friends are not so well informed or careful- several, despite having been sexually active for over 20 years in some cases, have never had a check-up.
If I want information on sexual health, I know who to ask and it's not the straight guys.
Of course, I would expect a sex ed teacher to know the most of all of them.

I agree, I think part of it might be the target audiences for aggressive public health campaigns. While teens of any orientation are targeted I think straight adult men are less likely to view themselves in public ad campaigns... in fact when it comes to general health issues.. it seems to me that ads meant to get men into the doctor's office are often targeted at their wives....

and of course like you I expect the sex ed teacher to be the most educated... and wouldn't care if they were on the orientation spectrum they fall... as long as they stick to the facts---unfortunately when the community wants you to NOT teach the FACTS no amount of education can get around the restraints imposed by some school districts.

 

[wanderingone]

Ohhhhh, I want muffins.

I don't think you want the meadow muffins, I don't think that's tasty ingredients there.....

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Paternal instinct is very important in family and for the development in the child. The chivalry of husband and wife will be damaged..

WOW - you really DON'T know any gay men!

 

[selfinflikted]

WOW - you really DON'T know any gay men!

Nah. Most christians with his outlook usually don't befriend gays on purpose. That would force them to see them as humans, as equals, and they might start to change their views on gays. We can't have that.

 

[wanderingone]

Oh and to be on topic ... my personal obsession with homosexuality is an obsession with the threads on the topic. I have a great kid, she's not straight. She's not a lot of things, she's not rebellious, she's not obnoxious, she's not mean, she's not disobedient. (hmm.. she's occasionally obnoxious.. but she generally reserves it for the privacy of the family home)

She needs, like all other people, to be relatively safe as she ventures out into the world away from the shelter of a fanatically supportive family. For every kid like her who has parents who really truly don't care what gender she is attracted to there are probably a dozen kids who don't know if their parents will support them, or know for sure they won't. For every kid ensconced in the safety of a Christian church that cherishes them and teaches them Christ will never abandon them, that God loves them exactly as he made them there are hundreds who hear the exact opposite. For that reason I have to be the pain in the tush who stands on the soap box and insists that those people who trash gays do not represent all of us -- so I'll be the annoying middle class white Christian lady liberal who nips at the heals of those who insist on posting what amounts to hate threads.

 

[wanderingone]

WOW - you really DON'T know any gay men!

But.. what does the chivalry of husband and wife even mean.... I'm bewildered and befuddled by such odd turns of phrase.

(You know he knows some gay men,.... he just doesn't know he knows them... )

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Oh and to be on topic ... my personal obsession with homosexuality is an obsession with the threads on the topic. I have a great kid, she's not straight. She's not a lot of things, she's not rebellious, she's not obnoxious, she's not mean, she's not disobedient. (hmm.. she's occasionally obnoxious.. but she generally reserves it for the privacy of the family home)

She needs, like all other people, to be relatively safe as she ventures out into the world away from the shelter of a fanatically supportive family. For every kid like her who has parents who really truly don't care what gender she is attracted to there are probably a dozen kids who don't know if their parents will support them, or know for sure they won't. For every kid ensconced in the safety of a Christian church that cherishes them and teaches them Christ will never abandon them, that God loves them exactly as he made them there are hundreds who hear the exact opposite. For that reason I have to be the pain in the tush who stands on the soap box and insists that those people who trash gays do not represent all of us -- so I'll be the annoying middle class white Christian lady liberal who nips at the heals of those who insist on posting what amounts to hate threads.

Thank you - profoundly!

 

[WatersMoon110]

I think that this thread has shown exactly why there is an obsession on this board with homosexuals:

There are a few Fundamentalist Christians, who seem to have a relentless drive to constantly preach that homosexuality is sinful, and that teh gays are trying to recruit them and their children.

And then there are the rest of us, who just try to point out that those people are wrong and sometimes crazy or Poes.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

But.. what does the chivalry of husband and wife even mean.... I'm bewildered and befuddled by such odd turns of phrase.

(You know he knows some gay men,.... he just doesn't know he knows them... )

Yeah - I know.

I am just aware that gay men are incredibly chivalrous - I've been told as much about myself by many women.

 

[ReverendDG]

wanting to change marriage so it no longer means mother and father is attacking marriage.

and we can go full circle and say, what does having children have to do with marriage in the 21st century?
people don't get married to have children, do they get their marriage revoked?
do people who can't have children?

Children without mother(or father) is probably the biggest problem. Not only does it create awkwardness in the child which will effect his growing up

support this nonsense with some evidence please.

but it will dull the paternal instinct that the child needs and responds too. Paternal instinct is very important in family and for the development in the child. The chivalry of husband and wife will be damaged..

what nonsense, can you even support any of this?
see this is why the right fails, they have no evidence just claims.

in fact theres more evidence that what you said just plain wrong.

 

[LittleNipper]

No - YOU are the one who blackmarked the sinner....which is exactly why I responded the way I did.

Interesting you find the need to squirm a little...


ETA - Also, I have NEVER subscribed to "love the sinner, hate the sin." It's heretical, hypocritical BS.

No, I've always have stated that homosexual sex is evil. The person trapped in that sin is loved by GOD, but the sin is not. Show me in the Bible where the statement is heretical. I didn't squirm an inch.