Why teach creationism in public school science classes?

[Delphiki]

The creation as told in the bible can't be proven to be accurate historically either.

It could be taught I suppose in some sort of class that teaches pupils about myths. We could for example cover astrology in the same class.

That would be more appropriate. I remember my high school class on mythology was mostly about Greek mythology and the Odyssey.

Of course, if thumpers are going to complain about sex ed, you can be sure they'll complain about creationism being taught about in a mythology class.

 

[AV1611VET]

The creation as told in the bible can't be proven to be accurate historically either.

When did that ever stop you guys?

What's that movement called that virtually re-wrote history?

Historical revisionism or something?

 

[Hespera]

The creation as told in the bible can't be proven to be accurate historically either.

It could be taught I suppose in some sort of class that teaches pupils about myths. We could for example cover astrology in the same class.

They could teach a few of the weird conflicting versions of creationism, in a comparative mythology class maybe. Strictly elective!

In civilized countries, they might want to teach about such things as that the "flood water went to neptune, where it shines as a warning beacon against incoming rogue angles".

it is a good example of the mindrot that can happen!

The cultural backwardness and weakness of TPL (trailer park land) is something that any country would want to avoid.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've always agreed that creationism could be mentioned in a social study class during a lesson plan on world religions. However, this won't be taught as "this is how it happened", it would be taught as "this is what X believes".

There are still a couple problems with this, though. I've never met 2 creationists that believe the same thing or interpret their creation mythology the same way. The mention would still have to be generalized -- simply stating that YECs believe in a 6-day creation while more liberal denominations of Christianity either see it as allegory or try to relate "day" to a long time period.

Additionally, even after you consolidate the numerous Judeo-Christian interpretations into 2 general groups (YEC and OEC), you still need to go over the creation stories of the other major religions. For example, in Islam, you have almost the same story, but I'm not aware of any mention of the time it took God to make everything. IIRC, Muslims believe Allah just did it all at once with one word. Hindu's believe that Vishnu instructed Brahma to create the world. Then you have the Shinto and other creation stories.

Teaching things about creationism, at this point, with it's diverse origins begins to look more like a separate college course, since you can't really cram it all amidst a high school class on world religion.

One thing constantly overlooked is that the bible creation story isn't the only one floating around out there and neither is there just one version of it.

I'm not going to repeat myself about the wheat and the tares.

I've already been through this with that new guy.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

When did that ever stop you guys?

Who is "you guys"?

I'm not a historian

 

[AV1611VET]

Who is "you guys"?

I'm not a historian

So? when did that ever stop you guys from going outside your boxes?

I get geologists telling me about botany, botanists telling me about psychology, and psychologists telling me about botany.

Big deal.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

So? when did that ever stop you guys from going outside your boxes?

I get geologists telling me about botany, botanists telling me about psychology, and psychologists telling me about botany.

Big deal.

So you automatically lump everyone on the planet into a box labelled "you guys" because you encountered a few dudes that do that?

That doesn't strike me as healthy behaviour.

Anyway returning to the topic at hand the Christian creation myth definitely should be taught in a mythology class if it going to be taught anywhere.

 

[AV1611VET]

That doesn't strike me as healthy behaviour.

Is that a threat?

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

Is that a threat?

Nope. Just a statement that your behaviour is not healthy. You're generalising. Prejudging everyone based on the actions of just a few.

Anyway do you have a problem with teaching creationism in a mythology class?

 

[Cabal]

Is that a threat?

Paranoia isn't healthy either.

 

[Hespera]

Nor is stereotyping / bigotry

 

[hollyda]

Paranoia isn't healthy either.

Rational arguments typically don't work on irrational people.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anyway do you have a problem with teaching creationism in a mythology class?

Yes -- do you have a problem teaching evolution in a mythology class?

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

Yes -- do you have a problem teaching evolution in a mythology class?

Yes. Evolution is a scientific theory and belongs in a science class.

Why do you have a problem with teaching creationism in a mythology class?

 

[AV1611VET]

Rational arguments typically don't work on irrational people.

You want to talk reasoning?

How about this?

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Don't tell me about 'reasoning' until you look in the mirror first.

You people are ... ironic.

 

[Delphiki]

Yes -- do you have a problem teaching evolution in a mythology class?

For different reasons.

Creationism in a mythology class: You have a problem because you feel it's offensive and it's status as a myth is merely contradictory to your religious beliefs.

Evolution in a mythology class: I have a problem because it's actually science supported by evidence and should be taught in a science class.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do you have a problem with teaching creationism in a mythology class?

2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

 

[AV1611VET]

You have a problem because you feel it's offensive and it's status as a myth is merely contradictory to your religious beliefs.

Then why did you ask me, if not just to use my answer to vent and/or ridicule?

 

[Hespera]

Yes. Evolution is a scientific theory and belongs in a science class.

Why do you have a problem with teaching creationism in a mythology class?

But which creationism would it be?

"Scientific"
'flat earth / geocentric?
young earth?
old earth?
theistic evolution?
intelligent design?

and thats just a few of the trailer park versions.

Give equal time to the great raven etc too!

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Instead of a biblical quote just give me an answer in your own words.

So I ask again:
Why do you have a problem with teaching creationism in a mythology class?