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Thanks, very interesting. I've seen a lot about this but was thinking No. America since were are talking about the Pilgrims. The tribes of the Caribbean didn't want Eupoeans either.Can they prove those claims? Just because the tribes were already here when the explorers got here does not necessarily make them first.
Consider this: Who Were The First Americans?
Your forgiven. I have been trying to steer it back to the OP. A number of times I have pointed this out in posts. Compassion...To get back to the OP, if the posts here are any indication, conservatives aren’t hostile towards illegals.
(Sorry if that was only one sentence. I’m just good at being concise.)
In general, I’m against illegal activities. I don’t think that makes me hostile, though.
Thanks, very interesting. I've seen a lot about this but was thinking No. America since were are talking about the Pilgrims. The tribes of the Caribbean didn't want Eupoeans either.
That was for Israel.
A few immigrants will usually assimilated culturally, but the masses arriving here now have brought a foreign culture, which is destroying ours. They are not coming to be true citizens but to take advantage of the freedoms and wealth of America. A large part of our national debt is the money they send back to their true homelands. Many are no better than parasites on our economic and welfare systems. OUT WITH THEM, I SAY!
OldWiseGuy - apolitical moderate conservative.
There are laws governing immigration in every nation state. That's why when one breaks these laws it's called illegal.Since when is desiring a better life, wanting to feed your family, and seeking to economic opportunities an “illegal activity” that you’re against?
There are laws governing immigration in every nation state. That's why when one breaks these laws it's called illegal.
If a better healthier life is truly desired, I would recommend New Zealand.
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The Bible says this in Leviticus 19:34: “The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt.” Obviously those foreigners residing in ancient Israel didn’t have visas or passports. They were undocumented immigrants for all practical purposes. And God is telling his chosen people to treat them as native-born residents. This means God wants us to treat undocumented immigrants in the US with compassion.
Are the 10 Commandments also only for Israel, or are we to interpret God's Word, as revealed in the Bible, as applicable to a worldwide audience?That was for Israel.
1.Good, that's where the hostility is coming from. We are being invaded by these but also Islamic terrorists. It's a different world since 9/11 so we must secure our borders. Laws have been in place but they haven't been enforcing them. Ask Israel if a wall is effective in keeping out people would do you harm.Of course I’m aware of drug traffickers, sex traffickers, and violent criminals who come here illegally.
Do you realize that just in California there are 3 million illegal immigrants. Many of them aren't hard criminals, but they are costly California $25 billion/yr. in welfare, healthcare, education, housing, etc. People who came over legally and work for a living are angry that illegals are getting a free ride and the workers are having to pay for it. California has turned into a sanctuary state, protected by liberal laws and ideologies. That drums up a little anger I'd say. The country is broke with a $20 trillion debt and is still spending more than they take in. We can't afford hundreds of billions of free stuff to people who don't deserve it.I don’t think I’ll ever understand what motivates so many other conservatives to feel so much hostility towards people just because they’re different. Yes, they came into this country illegally, but hasn’t everyone done something illegal in their life at one time? Give them a chance.
Did the Great Wall of China serve as an effective deterrent to northern invaders, or was the Maginot Line successful in keeping the Germans from invading France during WW2?Ask Israel if a wall is effective in keeping out people would do you harm.
Not even "The Donald" and a Republican Congress has made a concerted effort to remove these 12 million illegals - the reasons are the horrendous costs and, despite all the rhetoric, many of the GOP donors including Trump have a vested interest in maintaining a cheap supply of labor!These 12 million came over illegally. You take that lightly? We have a history of wars for our freedoms and hundreds of thousands fought and died for them. To sustain our country, we need to protect it.
The Republicans want to increase the national debt by $1.5 trillion to provide the wealthiest 1% with a tax cut during a "bill market" - with no guarantees that any of these cuts, financed with borrowed money, will be reinvested in the American economy!Do you realize that just in California there are 3 million illegal immigrants. Many of them aren't hard criminals, but they are costly California $25 billion/yr. in welfare, healthcare, education, housing, etc. People who came over legally are [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] off that they are getting a free ride and the workers are having to pay for it.
President Trump stands to pocket a $ billion if this current tax bill is passed - despite the fact that we have no proof that, as a billionaire, he pays a penny in taxes!The country is broke with a $20 trillion debt and is still spending more than they take in. We can't afford hundreds of billions of free stuff to people who don't deserve it.
Besides, if one is willing to commit one crime, then they are likely to commit another.
When you break the law to achieve something, then the activity is illegal.Using drugs like meth or cocaine, shoplifting, and stealing cars are examples of illegal activities. Since when is desiring a better life, wanting to feed your family, and seeking to economic opportunities an “illegal activity” that you’re against? And by the way, if you’re indifferent to all the deportation horror stories—there are a lot of them on the Internet, look them up—that sounds like hostility to me.
Most conservatives are for law and order, and the rule of law in the land. It is a basic political tenet that sets conservatives apart from anarchists. It is not a question of sympathy. It is a question of believing that laws are what gives a country a fair playing field.For the record, not every conservative is hostile towards undocumented immigrants. When John McCain ran for president in 2008, he advocated a pathway to citizenship for these people. Lindsay Graham, Jeb Bush, and other compassionate conservatives likewise support an amnesty. In fact, I’m a conservative who also feels sympathy towards the undocumented community and wants to see the government help make the good law-abiding ones become citizens.
However, Donald Trump basically became president by scapegoating people in this country illegally. When he said he would build a wall along the US-Mexico border, his support went through the roof and secured his nomination. The fact that he accumulated so much support from Republican-voters testifies to the hostility that so many conservatives feel towards undocumented immigrants. To me, this is a very sad thing.
The Bible says this in Leviticus 19:34: “The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt.” Obviously those foreigners residing in ancient Israel didn’t have visas or passports. They were undocumented immigrants for all practical purposes. And God is telling his chosen people to treat them as native-born residents. This means God wants us to treat undocumented immigrants in the US with compassion.
Of course I’m aware of drug traffickers, sex traffickers, and violent criminals who come here illegally. By all means deport them. But what about the ones who study hard, abide by all the laws and don’t commit crime, and live like normal people? They’ve been here much of their lives and should be given a pathway to citizenship.
As a Republican and compassionate conservative, I don’t think I’ll ever understand what motivates so many other conservatives to feel so much hostility towards people just because they’re different. Yes, they came into this country illegally, but hasn’t everyone done something illegal in their life at one time? Give them a chance.
Our GOP is besmirched with xenophobia and needs to clean up.
America as we know it would never have existed, unless a group of "anarchists," which we now refer to as the Founding Fathers, had not challenged "law and order, and the rule of law in the land!"Most conservatives are for law and order, and the rule of law in the land. It is a basic political tenet that sets conservatives apart from anarchists. It is not a question of sympathy. It is a question of believing that laws are what gives a country a fair playing field.
As for yourself, how far does you love of anarchy extend? Which other illegal activity do you feel a lot of sympathy for?
And, do you support an fully open border so that there would be no such thing as illegal immigration?
2. These 12 million came over illegally. You take that lightly? We have a history of wars for our freedoms and hundreds of thousands fought and died for them. To sustain our country, we need to protect it.
Using drugs like meth or cocaine, shoplifting, and stealing cars are examples of illegal activities. Since when is desiring a better life, wanting to feed your family, and seeking to economic opportunities an “illegal activity” that you’re against?
And by the way, if you’re indifferent to all the deportation horror stories—there are a lot of them on the Internet, look them up—that sounds like hostility to me.
We all want a better life. We don't all just up and crash another countries borders and help ourselves to what we want. It's not as though we owe them a better life...
Yep ... some of us are descendants of those that jumped up and overran other peoples' lands, helping themselves to what they wanted, ... and oppressing the native inhabitants.
That's a good topic for the theology thread. Would be glad to rap on it there.
Are the 10 Commandments also only for Israel, or are we to interpret God's Word, as revealed in the Bible, as applicable to a worldwide audience?
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