Why so much animosity on the US Far-Right against immigrants??

[FireDragon76]

I'm a WASP myself and nativism has long been a problem in the United States. Ever hear of the 'know nothings'?.

Not only Irish-Catholics but even German-Americans at one time. Prior to WWI, there were alot of German-language newspapers and community centers in the US, but during the war German Americans became the object of xenophobia. At one time German almost rivaled English in the US as a first language. Our congregation still has some folks that speak German as a first language, and up until a few years ago, we had a German service periodically. I think the bigotry only died down after WWII when the idea of German-Americans as some kind of aliens with a foreign allegiance was laid to rest.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

"Follow the laws."

"YOU'RE A RACIST!!!"

And folks wonder why democrats lost on November 3rd?

The law also says that undocumented immigrants are actually not illegal immigrants unless an immigration court makes that determination. We have something called due process here. So, if you care about the law, why do you falsely accuse of all undocumented immigrants of crimes that they have not even committed????

 

[mark kennedy]

"wholesale hispanic invasion,?" There are no words. As a Hispanic person, fifth-generation in my state and the country, I do not even know what to say when someone thinks that 'hispanics' are 'invading.' Xenophobia is alive and well I guess.

That's easy enough to explain, that's when illegal immigration is at epidemic levels. My linkage is Iris and French Indian, my grandmother's parents were immigrants. I've never been opposed to legal immigrants, I've worked with people from Mexico, Peru, Eqypt, Burma and Russia. I don't recall any morbid fear or dread coming over me because they were foreigners. A phobia is psychotic, it's a clinical mental illness. You want to call me xenophobic and WASP but what you don't know is I'm also a Democrat with leftward leanings. There is one thing we can agree on, you don't have the words, because if you did you wouldn't have had to resort to name calling.its been my experience when a poster resorts to this kind of thing it's because he has nothing else left.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

That's easy enough to explain, that's when illegal immigration is at epidemic levels. My linkage is Iris and French Indian, my grandmother's parents were immigrants. I've never been opposed to legal immigrants, I've worked with people from Mexico, Peru, Eqypt, Burma and Russia. I don't recall any morbid fear or dread coming over me because they were foreigners. A phobia is psychotic, it's a clinical mental illness. You want to call me xenophobic and WASP but what you don't know is I'm also a Democrat with leftward leanings. There is one thing we can agree on, you don't have the words, because if you did you wouldn't have had to resort to name calling.its been my experience when a poster resorts to this kind of thing it's because he has nothing else left.

Where have I name-called? I'd like to see that. You are the one calling Hispanics invaders...As a Hispanic person, yes, I take issue with that.

While there are no words to express the shock and disappointment I feel in seeing someone say that about Hispanic people, here are a few immediate thoughts.

1) Not everyone crossing the border is Hispanic. So, how did you know who was and who was not Hispanic? It's clear you were making assumptions. There's no way you could have met with each of the alleged 3,000 people crossing.

2) The comment does confirm for me that there is still xenophobia, or a fear of something or someone different or perceived as 'alien,' in this country against people with origins in the Spanish-Language. When my grandparents were growing up, and they were both born in the US, they saw signs that said "NO Spanish allowed," or "No Mexicans allowed."

3) As a fifth-generation Hispanic American, and also Irish too btw, I think it is wrong to call it a 'hispanic' invasion since Hispanic refers to a pan-ethnic group that encompasses many sub-ethnicities that have their roots in Spanish-speaking countries tracing the language back to Spain.

 

[mark kennedy]

Where have I name-called? I'd like to see that. You are the one calling Hispanics invaders...As a Hispanic person, yes, I take issue with that.

I take issue with being called WASP and xenophobic in the third person.i never said all Hispanic, just that 3000 a day illegal crossings is rightfully called an invasion. Call it what you will, it should be a felony.

While there are no words to express the shock and disappointment I feel in seeing someone say that about Hispanic people, here are a few immediate thoughts.[/quote]

Ok now there is more of the same race baiting that polarized these issues for decades. You the only one making an issue of ethnicity and frankly calling me a WASP sounds more and more like a slur when all you want to talk about is race.

1) Not everyone crossing the border is Hispanic. So, how did you know who was and who was not Hispanic? It's clear you were making assumptions. There's no way you could have met with each of the alleged 3,000 people crossing.

It was a common expression at the time, even seen it in the paper once in a while. I forget the source of that particular statistic but it was from a Federal report.

2) The comment does confirm for me that there is still xenophobia, or a fear of something or someone different or perceived as 'alien,' in this country against people with origins in the Spanish-Language. When my grandparents were growing up, and they were both born in the US, they saw signs that said "NO Spanish allowed," or "No Mexicans allowed."

Funny when I was in LA Hispanics were found of calling me an 'oakey', they were the only ones using it. And just by the way call me another name and I'm just going to put you on ignore.

3) As a fifth-generation Hispanic American, and also Irish too btw, I think it is wrong to call it a 'hispanic' invasion since Hispanic refers to a pan-ethnic group that encompasses many sub-ethnicities that have their roots in Spanish-speaking countries tracing the language back to Spain.

Hispanic is just a reference to a native lanuage, Mexican would be a misnomer, because the country isn't named for their language like England, France or Germany. So you can spare me the indignation the only one getting exercised about ethnicity is you.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

What's the big deal regarding ILLEAGAL immigrants ?????????
They should not be here in this Country.
I know many that came here legally..
What's wrong with that proven process.
Kind of like -- picking the ones you prefer and waited their turn in line !!!
I have seen hundreds and hundreds being sworn in as US citizens.
Big smiles on their faces.
Yes, ones who actually worked for and deserve it.
Americans don't even recognize that today -- let us just give our Country away.
M-Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I take issue with being called WASP and xenophobic in the third person.i never said all Hispanic, just that 3000 a day illegal crossings is rightfully called an invasion. Call it what you will, it should be a felony. .

I married into the hispanic culture - my wife, inlaws and hence-my-children very much "married to it". None of us think that illegal immigration and 3000 crossing the boarders illegally "is a good thing" or that it should not be stopped.

Crime and illegal immigration - very very different from legal immigration.

The fact that all the people of color - get to be called "xenophobic" if they oppose criminal immigration - is a goofy result that can only be had by leftist academics, media organizations, and a few democrats.

 

[381465]

I take issue with being called WASP and xenophobic in the third person.i never said all Hispanic...

Well if a complete stranger can't judge and insult you on CF...What's the point?

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

I take issue with being called WASP and xenophobic in the third person.i never said all Hispanic, just that 3000 a day illegal crossings is rightfully called an invasion. Call it what you will, it should be a felony.

While there are no words to express the shock and disappointment I feel in seeing someone say that about Hispanic people, here are a few immediate thoughts.

Ok now there is more of the same race baiting that polarized these issues for decades. You the only one making an issue of ethnicity and frankly calling me a WASP sounds more and more like a slur when all you want to talk about is race.



It was a common expression at the time, even seen it in the paper once in a while. I forget the source of that particular statistic but it was from a Federal report.



Funny when I was in LA Hispanics were found of calling me an 'oakey', they were the only ones using it. And just by the way call me another name and I'm just going to put you on ignore.



Hispanic is just a reference to a native lanuage, Mexican would be a misnomer, because the country isn't named for their language like England, France or Germany. So you can spare me the indignation the only one getting exercised about ethnicity is you.[/QUOTE]

My words
1) I never called you a 'WASP.' I am not the user that said that. You can review for yourself. I never called you that name or any other. I also never said that you were xenophobic. I said that xenophobia is present in that comment calling us (Hispanic people) invaders.

2)I don't condone calling anyone racially charged names. I would join you in a moment's notice to say that referring to you or anyone by racially charged names is wrong. It's wrong. You shouldn't use that as a reason to attack Hispanic people in general.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

What's the big deal regarding ILLEAGAL immigrants ?????????
They should not be here in this Country.
I know many that came here legally..
What's wrong with that proven process.
Kind of like -- picking the ones you prefer and waited their turn in line !!!
I have seen hundreds and hundreds being sworn in as US citizens.
Big smiles on their faces.
Yes, ones who actually worked for and deserve it.
Americans don't even recognize that today -- let us just give our Country away.
M-Bob

At least spell it right...

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

I take issue with being called WASP and xenophobic in the third person.i never said all Hispanic, just that 3000 a day illegal crossings is rightfully called an invasion. Call it what you will, it should be a felony.

While there are no words to express the shock and disappointment I feel in seeing someone say that about Hispanic people, here are a few immediate thoughts.

Ok now there is more of the same race baiting that polarized these issues for decades. You the only one making an issue of ethnicity and frankly calling me a WASP sounds more and more like a slur when all you want to talk about is race.



It was a common expression at the time, even seen it in the paper once in a while. I forget the source of that particular statistic but it was from a Federal report.



Funny when I was in LA Hispanics were found of calling me an 'oakey', they were the only ones using it. And just by the way call me another name and I'm just going to put you on ignore.



Hispanic is just a reference to a native lanuage, Mexican would be a misnomer, because the country isn't named for their language like England, France or Germany. So you can spare me the indignation the only one getting exercised about ethnicity is you.[/QUOTE]

Hispanic is a reference to a pan-ethnic group which is inclusive of people, irrespective of race or colour, of ethnic groups with origins using the Spanish language. Mexican is the denonym for citizens or nationals of Mexico. So, I think you are confused in your comment there. It is only a misnomer if you misapply it. Thirdly, why did you bring up specifically Mexicans anyway? Half or more of undocumented immigrants are NOT from Mexico.

 

[Armoured]

The American tribal right talks a good game about illegal immigration. They still hire illegal immigrants, though.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

That's easy enough to explain, that's when illegal immigration is at epidemic levels. My linkage is Iris and French Indian, my grandmother's parents were immigrants. I've never been opposed to legal immigrants, I've worked with people from Mexico, Peru, Eqypt, Burma and Russia. I don't recall any morbid fear or dread coming over me because they were foreigners. A phobia is psychotic, it's a clinical mental illness. You want to call me xenophobic and WASP but what you don't know is I'm also a Democrat with leftward leanings. There is one thing we can agree on, you don't have the words, because if you did you wouldn't have had to resort to name calling.its been my experience when a poster resorts to this kind of thing it's because he has nothing else left.

I have not called you any name. Please, don't make false accusations. I never said WASP. That was someone else. That is really messed up to accuse me of that when I did not say that. Bearing false witness...

 

[Rion]

Considering that one of the most common arguments for illegal immigration is the price of produce, why do far-left want a caste of serfs?

Or maybe that complex issues are complex, and trying to paint one side or the other as evil is a bad idea.

The American tribal right talks a good game about illegal immigration. They still hire illegal immigrants, though.

You should probably just use whatever word you're wanting to there, as tribal is associated with Indian tribes, not whatever you are intending.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

Considering that one of the most common arguments for illegal immigration is the price of produce, why do far-left want a caste of serfs?

Or maybe that complex issues are complex, and trying to paint one side or the other as evil is a bad idea.

That's why we need to support a pathway to legal/documented status. You will notice that this does not necessarily mean 'citizenship.' We should leave the options of citizenship, green card, work visa, education visa, and others on the table to ensure that undocumented immigrants can apply for these options.

 

[Rion]

That's why we need to support a pathway to legal/documented status. You will notice that this does not necessarily mean 'citizenship.' We should leave the options of citizenship, green card, work visa, education visa, and others on the table to ensure that undocumented immigrants can apply for these options.

The right is never going to budge on any of that until they get the border secured, and that's the Democrat's fault for what went down with Reagan. There was a deal of securing the border and granting amnesty and citizenship to the illegals already here. Reagan held his part of the deal, Democrats backed out on theirs. Since then, the right's basically held that the border comes first, and then the rest will be worked out.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

The right is never going to budge on any of that until they get the border secured, and that's the Democrat's fault for what went down with Reagan. There was a deal of securing the border and granting amnesty and citizenship to the illegals already here. Reagan held his part of the deal, Democrats backed out on theirs. Since then, the right's basically held that the border comes first, and then the rest will be worked out.

Pres. Reagan gave amnesty to 2.5 million undocumented immigrants. How is that on the Democrats? The Democrats did vote to secure the border. The Democrats, including Pres. Obama, approved reasonable fences and expansions of those fences.

 

[Rion]

Pres. Reagan gave amnesty to 2.5 million undocumented immigrants. How is that on the Democrats? The Democrats did vote to secure the border. The Democrats, including Pres. Obama, approved reasonable fences and expansions of those fences.

And then the Democrats went back on their word. None of the Presidents in the last generation or so have been tough on border security.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

And then the Democrats went back on their word. None of the Presidents in the last generation or so have been tough on border security.

Undocumented immigration was going down under Pres. Obama and he deported more criminal undocumented immigrants than even Pres. Bush did. Und. immigration is still going down under Pres Trump. So, there's no reason for his wall.

 

[mark kennedy]

I married into the hispanic culture - my wife, inlaws and hence-my-children very much "married to it". None of us think that illegal immigration and 3000 crossing the boarders illegally "is a good thing" or that it should not be stopped.

Crime and illegal immigration - very very different from legal immigration.

The fact that all the people of color - get to be called "xenophobic" if they oppose criminal immigration - is a goofy result that can only be had by leftist academics, media organizations, and a few democrats.

I think calling things phobic goes back to gay rights in the eighties, when Clinton enacted don't ask don't tell homosexuality was illegal in 19 states. The AIDS epidemic was spreading like wildfire and the debate was highly emotional. This isn't like that.

I remember back in 2010 the President of Mexico said wherever the is a Mexican, that's Mexico. It wasnt very long before Arizona had the strictest illegal immigration laws in the country.

We talk about why Clinton lost and this was the core issue. She was going to abandon enforcement of immigration laws and stop deporting illegals. The watershed was when she called Trump supporters deplorable. If you pro-life, opossed to open borders or refuse to sell wedding cakes to gay people your phobic and deplorable. Would someone kindly inform them it's not working