Why Should Women not be Permitted to go Topless in Public?

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Said the person who attempted to equate breasts and scrotums.

Try quoting something I said in response to what you stated. This here is a response to what Armored posted.

 

[Archivist]

Try quoting something I said in response to what you stated. This here is a response to what Armored posted.

I don't acre who you were responding to. You posted it on a public thread--I am free to quote it.

In addition, you still have yet to expalin why women shouldn't have the right to go topless in public anyplace taht men acn go topless.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I don't acre who you were responding to. You posted it on a public thread--I am free to quote it.

Then you are deceptive, since you responded to a post which you misrepresented what it was about and who it was connected to. I guess I don't have to take you seriously from now on.

 

[Archivist]

Then you are deceptive, since you responded to a post which you misrepresented what it was about and who it was connected to. I guess I don't have to take you seriously from now on.

I didn't misrepresent what you stated.. You said it, I did not. Further I am not aware of any CF requirement that I identify the person to whom your comment was directed. If you want to show me that rule I will be happy to edit my post.

Still waiting for you to come up with any valid reason as to why women should not be able to go topless anyplace that men can go topless.

 

[Tallguy88]

I didn't misrepresent what you stated.. You said it, I did not. Further I am not aware of any CF requirement that I identify the person to whom your comment was directed. If you want to show me that rule I will be happy to edit my post.

Still waiting for you to come up with any valid reason as to why women should not be able to go topless anyplace that men can go topless.

Men and women are inherently different. Neither is superior or inferior. But they are different.

So they have different parts and society has decided female toplessness is unacceptable in most public situations. Male toplessness is less likely to be considered lewd, but is grounds for denial of service in many businesses.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Men and women are inherently different. Neither is superior or inferior. But they are different.

So they have different parts and society has decided female toplessness is unacceptable in most public situations.

Except that both men and women have areolas and nipples, so we're not that much different up top.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Dude people can follow the arrows back to where you quoted me from and see who I was responding to. You made it sound as if I was responding to you. and that was not the case. As for a requirement to be honest and upright in your communications, that is my requirement and a standard I live by. That standard I require of those I deal with and with that in mind I respectfully remove myself from any further debates with you.

You have a great day. Kevin.

 

[Archivist]

Dude people can follow the arrows back to where you quoted me from and see who I was responding to. You made it sound as if I was responding to you. and that was not the case.

First, all I wrote was "Said the person who attempted to equate breasts and scrotums." Exactly how does that in any way imply that you were responding to me?

Second, the post in which you said "Why is it that this thread is directed towards women only. Why not extend it out to include the scrotum, so that men can be equally objectified and scrutinized as if they too were meat in a butcher's shop" wasn't in response to anyone else's post. Since it wasn't directed to anyone, does that mean that no one has the right to reply to it?

Again, you were the one equating breasts and scrotiums, not me.

As for a requirement to be honest and upright in your communications, that is my requirement and a standard I live by. That standard I require of those I deal with and with that in mind I respectfully remove myself from any further debates with you.

And I have been entirely upright and honest in all my psots in this thread.

 

[Archivist]

Men and women are inherently different. Neither is superior or inferior. But they are different. So they have different parts and society has decided female toplessness is unacceptable in most public situations. Male toplessness is less likely to be considered lewd, but is grounds for denial of service in many businesses.

But men were prohibited from going topless in public prior WWI. Why should that change for men but not women?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Exposed breasts will provoke uninvited and unwanted attention such as staring and even unwanted advances.
Are women willing to put up with that? Or are their husbands, fathers and brothers expected to intervene or put up with the lascivious looks and comments? It opens up a whole can of worms.

Why isn't that properly her choice? Maybe she will put up with that. Why can't her husband, father, or brothers also determine their reactions? Why the paternalism?

If women leave the house clothed, they could still receive uninvited and unwanted attention such as staring and even unwanted advances. Should they be kept locked up in the home?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Archivist]

Why isn't that properly her choice? Maybe she will put up with that. Why can't her husband, father, or brothers also determine their reactions? Why the paternalism?

If women leave the house clothed, they could still receive uninvited and unwanted attention such as staring and even unwanted advances. Should they be kept locked up in the home?

Well said.

In addition, over time topless would become the norm for both men and women. A topless woman would attract no more attention than a topless man does now. I've been on topless beaches and you can always pick out the American men--they are the ones staring and drooling. Not that the European men don't look at a particularly well-endowed young woman--they do just as American women check out a good-looking guy with six-pack abs--but for the most part seeing topless women isn't a big deal for them. That would become the norm here.

 

[Darkhorse]

Chest exposure is obviously a cultural issue, as is face exposure, hair exposure, midriff exposure, and body exposure generally.

If it were really based on "men and women looking different", then why do swimsuits for 4-year-olds have tops which cover the breasts that they don't have? They have only nipples, just like the boys.

In fact, since I got fat a few years ago, I have larger "breasts" than many thin women. When I lived in Florida I would take off my shirt to mow the lawn; the Puerto Rican men in the neighborhood would laugh and hoot because I had more on my (male) chest than their wives.

It shouldn't be an issue AT ALL, especially when open breastfeeding is permissible almost everywhere, as it should be.

 

[Tallguy88]

Well said.

In addition, over time topless would become the norm for both men and women. A topless woman would attract no more attention than a topless man does now. I've been on topless beaches and you can always pick out the American men--they are the ones staring and drooling. Not that the European men don't look at a particularly well-endowed young woman--they do just as American women check out a good-looking guy with six-pack abs--but for the most part seeing topless women isn't a big deal for them. That would become the norm here.

We shouldn't celebrate or emulate countries that have lowered their standards of public decency.

In those 47 states where it is legal, women aren't taking advantage of the ability to go top less. It's mostly just the activists that do it for shock value.

 

[Eudaimonist]

We shouldn't celebrate or emulate countries that have lowered their standards of public decency.

In those 47 states where it is legal, women aren't taking advantage of the ability to go top less. It's mostly just the activists that do it for shock value.

Are you saying that the reason we shouldn't emulate other countries is that we aren't emulating other countries?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Archivist]

We shouldn't celebrate or emulate countries that have lowered their standards of public decency.

You mean like the US did when we allowed men to go topless after WWI? Or was that acceptable? Is it only unacceptable when statndards are "lowered" for women?

In those 47 states where it is legal, women aren't taking advantage of the ability to go top less. It's mostly just the activists that do it for shock value.

Perhaps because, as was already stated in this thread, in the vast majority of those states women who go topless will face arrest for violating local ordinances or for disturbing the peace. New York states is one of the few places where women don't have to face such things becasue there the state law was overruled by the courts; cities and towns cannot adopt local ordinances that conflict with the court's decision.

 

[Tallguy88]

Are you saying that the reason we shouldn't emulate other countries is that we aren't emulating other countries?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Even if the law says you can, cultural norms say not to. Women seem to be self regulating in not going topless.

 

[Tallguy88]

You mean like the US did when we allowed men to go topless after WWI? Or was that acceptable? Is it only unacceptable when statndards are "lowered" for women?

I already said men shouldn't go topless outside of appropriate situations, either.

Perhaps because, as was already stated in this thread, in the vast majority of those states women who go topless will face arrest for violating local ordinances or for disturbing the peace. New York states is one of the few places where women don't have to face such things becasue there the state law was overruled by the courts; cities and towns cannot adopt local ordinances that conflict with the court's decision.

I don't know any woman that wants to go topless in public. Since they already have the legal right, they are choosing not to exercise that right. I don't blame them. I wouldn't either (and don't).

 

[Armoured]

People walk around near naked on TV and billboards nowadays. Men and women.

It's sexual objectification through and through. And yet that a good thing?

Being topless =/= sexual. That's a major part of the point.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Even if the law says you can, cultural norms say not to. Women seem to be self regulating in not going topless.

Then there is no problem with being accepting of female toplessness.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Armoured]

Even if the law says you can, cultural norms say not to. Women seem to be self regulating in not going topless.

And that's fine. No one is saying they SHOULD go topless, merely that they should be freely able to choose to do so.