Why should a christian NOT commit suicide?

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[~Anastasia~]

I think it may be presumption to believe that we can choose to take a human life (even our own), have no opportunity to repent, and so not repent of so terrible a crime, and then believe that God is obligated to welcome such a one.

God judges. I would not care to say what He will do.

But such a serious sin could be indication of a level of apostasy, and to die in apostasy is a fearful thing.

I just don't think we can expect to demand a particular judgement of God.

The Scriptures do not teach that one may unrepentantly commit any sin they like, and have their salvation assured. Indeed, there are warnings against falling away, and saying that we must persevere in order to be saved. Taking one's own life could be terribly dangerous, spiritually speaking.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

So, other than perhaps not being a usable tool in God's earthly projects (such as bringing others to christ), and perhaps bearing a bad testimony to those left behind, why shouldn't a child of God prematurely die (that is, not by a "natural" cause, but by a willful choice)? I understand the motives may be selfish, but still.

If we will die anyways, and if we'll go to heaven anyways, then what's wrong with hastening it? Selfishly speaking, it only seems advantageous. Are there only altruistic reasons for not doing it?

Thoughts?

Tbh there's a simple answer for this... the Bible says I'm gallilations that some of the fruits of the spirit are peace and joy. If you are in a state where you kill your self you don't have peace or joy so heaven isn't the location you go. Now if you believe in once saved always saved this question is harder to answer.

 

[teresa]

Corinthians 4:16–17

16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. 17 For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison

 

[Rescued One]

If I may politely say, you're wrong. Christians do commit suicide. Unless you want to argue that anyone ending their own life isn't really a christian? Maybe they did lack trust in God, or maybe they just didn't want to go on with this earthly life? Or maybe both.

If they didn't want to go on with their earthly lives, they didn't like God's plans. If they don't like God's plans, and don't trust Him, they are NOT Christians. A Christian knows God and will ask Him if He wills His sheep to slaughter themselves. He doesn't! So only people who were never made aware of God's grace and promises, will feel so hopeless.

Psalm 119:11
Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Isaiah 41:10
Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Does a good shepherd care for his sheep or abandon them?

Psalm 55:22
Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

If a person doesn't believe what God has said and doesn't believe God's promises, he isn't a Christian.

You might say, "Let me die, God, but I'll accept your will for my life."

 

[chilehed]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right?

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the persons moral culpability in committing such.a grave sin.

If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

It's not a matter of God changing his mind, it's a matter of someone comitting a sin that cuts.himself off from God. Like it or not, it is possible to lose your salvation.

 

[Rescued One]

Tbh there's a simple answer for this... the Bible says I'm gallilations that some of the fruits of the spirit are peace and joy. If you are in a state where you kill your self you don't have peace or joy so heaven isn't the location you go. Now if you believe in once saved always saved this question is harder to answer.

I don't believe in temporary salvation. Unless a person has the spirit of Christ, he doesn't belong to Christ. If he has the spirit of Christ, he follows the Shepherd.

Psalm 23
1{A Psalm of David.} The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

God gives us strength to persevere. He quiets our fears.

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Widlast]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

So, other than perhaps not being a usable tool in God's earthly projects (such as bringing others to christ), and perhaps bearing a bad testimony to those left behind, why shouldn't a child of God prematurely die (that is, not by a "natural" cause, but by a willful choice)? I understand the motives may be selfish, but still.

If we will die anyways, and if we'll go to heaven anyways, then what's wrong with hastening it? Selfishly speaking, it only seems advantageous. Are there only altruistic reasons for not doing it?

Thoughts?

Self murder is the blatant lie that the subjects' problems are SO GREAT that God Himself cannot fix them.
It is pure apostasy, the acceptance of all that is evil and wrong.
A "Christian" cannot commit suicide, would never want to, because it would be catering to despair.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I don't believe in temporary salvation. Unless a person has the spirit of Christ, he doesn't belong to Christ. If he has the spirit of Christ, he follows the Shepherd.

Psalm 23
1{A Psalm of David.} The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

God gives us strength to persevere. He quiets our fears.

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

I don't believe in temporary salvation either... I feel people who are believers in OSAS don't understand the...non OSAS perspective. We believe that if you follow after christ... and stay saved or whatever sure you can be saved forever. But we also believe in the biblical term backsliding... or someone having the ability/choice to turn away from God. OSAS believers assume we believe you just lose your salvation straight up...but backsliding is a slow process. We believe God can...lets say kick you out the spiritual kingdom if you don't belong after a period of time... the time varies based off the individual I would say. I mean besides... the bible says thou that committeth sin (continuously) is of the devil. I'm sure he wouldn't want someone associated with the devil to walk in his kingdom.


1 Corinthians 3:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Matthew 24:13King James Version (KJV) (in other words if you don't last until the end you've allowed the enemy to take over) (you don't just stop halfway in your journey and commit suicide if you are walking in the spirit with peace/joy, you endure until the end.)
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

1 Timothy 4:1

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”

King James Version (KJV)

Acts 5King James Version (KJV)
5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

 

[Rescued One]

I don't believe in temporary salvation either... I feel people who are believers in OSAS don't understand the...non OSAS perspective. We believe that if you follow after christ... and stay saved or whatever sure you can be saved forever. But we also believe in the biblical term backsliding... or someone having the ability/choice to turn away from God. OSAS believers assume we believe you just lose your salvation straight up...but backsliding is a slow process.

Matthew 24:13King James Version (KJV)
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

1 Timothy 4:1

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”

King James Version (KJV)

Acts 5King James Version (KJV)
5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

I wasn't trying to get into an argument and take this thread off topic. I don't think a person who actually has the Spirit of God can turn around and hate Him.

1 John 4
19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Okay, I promise I won't discuss this in this thread any further.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I wasn't trying to get into an argument and take this thread off topic. I don't think a person who actually has the Spirit of God can turn around and hate Him.

1 John 4
19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Okay, I promise I won't discuss this in this thread any further.

Well just some advice...if you're not trying to start an argument or discussion ...don't make a reply directly to an individual disagreeing with what he/she stated. It's not normal for someone not to defend what was stated if someone questions it. It's a normal means of discussion, I wouldn't call this argumentation tbh I simply addressed your claims.


And that's my point, someone loses the spirit of God as you see in acts 5. IF you truly keep the spirit of God and follow his commands and pray/fast you are fine. But as soon as you choose willingly to turn away you lose the ghost after a usually long period of time. You become of the devil rather of God becuase you essentially as a preacher puts it "make him your dad".

 

[Rescued One]

But as soon as you choose willingly to turn away you lose the ghost after a usually long period of time.

Give up the ghost - Idioms by The Free Dictionary
idioms.thefreedictionary.com/give+up+the+ghost
give up the ghost. Euph. to die. (Fixed order. Often used to describe machines breaking down.) The old man gave up the ghost.

These people as far as I can tell were moved by the Holy Spirit to give to those in need:

Acts 4
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Annanias didn't have the Holy Spirit in my opinion.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Give up the ghost - Idioms by The Free Dictionary
idioms.thefreedictionary.com/give+up+the+ghost
give up the ghost. Euph. to die. (Fixed order. Often used to describe machines breaking down.) The old man gave up the ghost.

These people as far as I can tell were moved by the Holy Spirit to give to those in need:

Acts 4
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Annanias didn't have the Holy Spirit in my opinion.

And yep they were moved to give... they overdid it though becuase they believed JESUS was coming like... super soon... like in a week.. or month they didn't realize the "rapture" as we call it would be thousands of years later (whenever it happens of course).


Anyway that's off topic though.. I guess we agree to disagree on this one. I believe Ghost refers to holy ghost but yeah lets just move on from this and stick with the OP. You stick with OSAS I stick with you can be saved for life but you can choose to turnaway I guess.

 

[Rescued One]

And yep they were moved to give... they overdid it though becuase they believed JESUS was coming like... super soon... like in a week.. or month they didn't realize the "rapture" as we call it would be thousands of years later (whenever it happens of course).


Anyway that's off topic though.. I guess we agree to disagree on this one. I believe Ghost refers to holy ghost but yeah lets just move on from this and stick with the OP. You stick with OSAS I stick with you can be saved for life but you can choose to turnaway I guess.

I disagree with OSAS people who believe a Christian should be comfortable still living in sin. I don't refer to perseverence as OSAS.

 

[longwait]

All my life I heard that those who commit suicide will go straight to hell. So don't deceive yourself. You might find yourself in hell and not heaven if you kill yourself. Why is it wrong? Because only God has the right to give life and to take it.

 

[Gabriel Anton]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

So, other than perhaps not being a usable tool in God's earthly projects (such as bringing others to christ), and perhaps bearing a bad testimony to those left behind, why shouldn't a child of God prematurely die (that is, not by a "natural" cause, but by a willful choice)? I understand the motives may be selfish, but still.

If we will die anyways, and if we'll go to heaven anyways, then what's wrong with hastening it? Selfishly speaking, it only seems advantageous. Are there only altruistic reasons for not doing it?

Thoughts?

God's Peace be with you.

The Light of Jesus Christ Shine on you.

The Word of God Bless you.


I'll give you One Solid Certain reason:

That person will go to Hell.

I will show you the reasons why that person will be sent there.

AMP Matthew C19
“Teacher, what [essentially] good thing shall I do to obtain eternal life [that is, eternal salvation in the Messiah’s kingdom]?” 17 Jesus answered, “Why are you asking Me about what is [essentially] good? There is only One who is [essentially] good; but if you wish to enter into eternal life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Jesus, “Which commandments?” And Jesus answered, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not give false testimony; 19 Honor your father and mother; and love your neighbor as yourself” [that is, unselfishly seek the best or higher good for others].

ASV Revelations 21
8 But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

The person who decides to commit suicide while stating, "I am a Christian" has bore False Witness about himself because he obviously doesn't believe what Jesus Christ has stated on the Conditions to enter into Eternal Life.

And that person will go to Hell because he obviously does not believe what God has revealed about who goes to Hell.

Committing Suicide is also like cheating, and you know nobody likes cheats in real life. Everybody has to wait, go through life, suffer, do good, do God's Will to enter Heaven but not the person who found the short cut.

Can you imagine if you are in a long queue in the back of the line in the shopping centre and you scream out to the people in front of you, "Let me in front of you otherwise I will commit suicide."

Then you scream to the check out operator, "Serve me first or I will commit suicide."

Or let's say, you don't want to pay your bills. You ring up the company and say, "Hey, I'm not paying for anything anymore. I want it all for free or I'll commit suicide."

What do you think will happen?

Mental Asylum?


So the person commits suicide and appears before God:

God: Welcome to the Gateway to Heaven.
Suicide Case (SC): Thank you.
God: How did you get here?
SC: I committed suicide.
God: What is that?
SC: Hmm. That's a short cut that I found.
God: Shortcut? Is that Legal?
SC: What do you mean by Legal?
God: Did I instruct you to do that?
SC: No.
God: So you took an Illegal shortcut to get here?
SC: Yes.
God: Illegals are not permitted into Heaven.
SC: That sucks. I thought you were generous.
God: I am. I made another place for Illegals. I'll get one of my Angels to bring you there.

I hope I have given you sufficiently good and proper reasons on why a Christian should Not commit suicide.


God bless you.

Christ have Mercy on you.

The Holy Spirit comfort you.

 

[longwait]

Can you please provide scriptural support for the varying rewards in heaven concept. Thanks.

"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each person according to what he has done. Revelation 22:12

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I'm probably in the minority but suicide just sends you to hell. Murder is a sin. Not taking care of your body can be a sin. So I don't see how suicide would be just fine. Though many in the past have told me its the once saved, always saved thing. But I figured out that its false teaching. Or at least its how I seem to understand it.

For example if I decided to stop being a christian and identified as a atheist right now. I burned my bible, through away any "christian" related items. Thru away my cross necklace. Never went to church anymore. Dropped my christian friends. Essentially stop believing in God. Started to do hardcore drugs, had orgies, got drunk every day, beat people up. Maybe raped and murdered people with no remorse. used Gods name in vein...in essence just became a the devil to some degree.

Would I still go to heaven? No. Even the bible confirms this. It says (in my words) many will try to go through, but few will get in. In another scripture God essentially says when you approach Him, He will say "Go away, I don't know you!". Now I don't think its easy to lose your salvation of course. But I believe its totally possible.

Not to mention if you couldn't lose it from suicide, wouldn't that just really give a christian an excuse to kill themselves whenever times got tough? "Man, I got $300,000 in bills. I lost my house, my car, my family. Well lifes terrible. Guess I'll kill myself since I go to heaven!". Nope. We endure trials for a reason. And at times life will be hard, especially for christians. But its why He says at the end He will say you have done well as a good and faithful servant, you made it to the finish line.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

Motive is everything; why we do what we do is more important to God than what we actually do. I see suicide as something similar to Jesus' teachings on secret disciplines. He said we should fast, pray, and give our charity in secret, so that only God knows we're doing these things. He said that making these things public will bring us praise and respectability from people, but that that respectability would count as our reward here on Earth; a temporary good feeling vs something eternal in the next life. He didn't say those people would be punished or that they'd lose their salvation, but that they would not be rewarded for those efforts.

In this life we are meant to learn and grow as preparation for the next life. Jesus talked about us ruling over the nations. That will take a lot of fairness, wisdom, and patience. Jesus said that the least in the Kingdom of Heaven needed to be greater than John the Baptist and that the greatest would be the servant. A difference between "least to greatest" is there and where we fit on the spectrum in between seems to be a direct result of what we learn in this life, now.

If we choose to cut our training short, it doesn't necessarily mean we won't get the job, but it could mean missing out on some opportunities for greatness, as well.