Why should a christian NOT commit suicide?

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[Monk Brendan]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

I'm sorry, but there is no way God could allow a suicide into heaven--unless there was some few moments of time from when said Christian pulled the trigger and death, to allow for repentance.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Monk Brendan]

We also must remember getting into heaven is one thing but getting the maximum reward is another. There will be rewards given out and why not try to get the best reward you can instead of wasting your life to kill yourself for no apparent good reason.

Is that why you are trying to get to heaven? For the rewards? Do you also believe that the harder you work at being Christian, the more reward you will get? That is pretty twisted.

If I get to heaven, there will be one reason for it, God's grace. What am I doing now to get greater rewards in heaven? Nothing. I am a Christian, not to go to heaven, but because I love God. Even if He sends me to hell, I will still end up praising Him. The rewards don't matter! If He sets me to polishing the streets of gold, I will be grateful for that, and I'll get some people together to have, "Praise and Polish" time.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Ok. But what about those who don't like their life? What about someone who suffers physically? Or someone who's just sick of life (maybe they got hurt, or whatever reason they may hold for it)?

I have fibromyalgia (FMS). This is a disease in which certain nerves are always being stimulated. As of yet, there is no cure. The pain is continuous.

I was diagnosed with FMS about 16 years ago. I have been in constant pain for all those years. Believe me, I don't like being in pain at all. (Please, I don't want any martyr points). However, I continue to get up every day, do all of the things that my monastic superior (Fr. Basil) asks of me, and maybe I can spend some time on the computer, just for myself. I might welcome being pain free, but I will not welcome death. When he comes, I'll be biting and scratching and screaming, trying to get out of his grip. Don't even think I will go peacefully, or welcome death.

Why? Because I like life! Even with FMS and arthritis and a bad back, and diabetes, and so on, I still enjoy living! (That, and I want to see George Lucas finish the last Star Wars trilogy! LOL)

 

[jerry kelso]

Suicide is murder and sin. However, not the unforgiveable sin.

Having said that, we must add that murder, suicide, or any other sin is not the deciding factor regarding salvation. A person's eternal security is determined by, and only by, their relationship to Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9).

If a person who is unsaved commits suicide, they have simply sent themselves to eternal punishment faster than they would have gone had they died a natural death. Regardless, they will be in eternal separation only because they have rejected Christ, not because they have committed suicide. But what if a Christian commits suicide?

The Bible says that when we are in Christ, our salvation is guaranteed because His Spirit dwells in us (2 Corinthians 5:5). That same Spirit is put into the hearts of all those who believe in Jesus Christ (John 3:16; 1 John 5:13).

The Bible also makes it quite clear in Romans 8:38-39 that nothing can separate a Christian from Christ's love, not even suicide. If no "created thing" can separate us from the love of God, as the verse says, then no person (not even our own selves) can separate us from His love by any act that we do including suicide.

A Christian will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22) and will be protected from sin as they abide in Christ (John 15:4). However, if a Christian falls and commits the terrible sin of suicide, that sin would still be covered by Jesus' blood.

Christians are not immune to the despair that leads to suicide; the enemy is a great deceiver (John 8:44) who wants us to forget that victory is ours in Christ (John 16:33). Still, suicide is a very serious sin against the Creator.

There is no circumstance which justifies a person, especially a Christian, to take his or her own life. We are supposed to die to ourselves, not kill ourselves. Sorrow over our sins or mistakes should lead us to repentance rather than self-harm so that we can be restored and not destroyed, for it is God's heart to repair and restore that which is broken (Psalm 51:17; Isaiah 42:3; Matthew 12:20). Even when things look incredibly bleak and hopeless.

Moses murdered a soldier (we see him later on the Mt of Transfiguration) King David had Bathsheba's husband killed. Paul was the overseer of Stephen's & many other deaths. I'm pretty sure next to Jesus Himself. Paul is responsible for turning the most people to God.

Finally, there is only ONE unforgivable sin. Rejection of Gods grace found in Christ = UNBELIEF. Maranatha

a.j.truth,

1. Matthew says the devil is out there to steal, kill, and destroy. James says our lives as christians can backslide to the point of being a sinner and can be free from being a sinner anymore.
Roman's says a Christian can change masters according to who one yields themselves.
John says the Holy Spirit will convict and Hebrews says God will chasten but God will no coerce our decisions to serve him or not as Joshua said; choose you this day whom you will serve.

2. A person who is in the state of living as a Christian where the Spirit lives within Paul said in Corinthians God will destroy those who defile their body. Suicide would seemingly fit this just like fornication and adultery if one dies without receiving forgiveness for committing these sins before one dies at which point one would not be considered a Christian.

3. The question is, are there any exceptions?
From personal experience concerning member of a friend's family member and one of my own family members.
To start with to show how Christians can get to to at least the thoughts of suicide specifically or otherwise I use my own self as an example.
I went through a terrible divorce over twenty years ago.
Me and my wife then had a terrible argument and I went for a walk that lasted 36 miles and overs 15 hours long.
I took 26 aspirins with the first five with no water.
I didn't know much about medicine and when I got home I could barely walk and thought I would die if I fell asleep. I called 911 and ended up in the psych ward for a couple of day because I realized I was in with those who were closer to that category than I of which one had taken 36 xanex. I was diagnosed with situational depression.
The crazy thing was not only I would not die but because of walking with all those pills wore off and they didn't have to pump my stomach. Talk about ignorance is bliss bless Go. I believe deep enough depression a chemical balance can happen and does.

4. Going back to my friend's family member.
They were an alcoholic and my friend prayed for them with the understanding of needing to become a Christian and he gave his heart to God.
The next day he had a relapse and took a drink and died. Did he have a chemical imbalance and did he go to heaven? I think is possible but only God would know for sure.
My family member was a Christian was a Christian and was going through the basic thing I had gone through concerning marriage and felt no way out etc.
I survived but he did not.
Did he have a chemical imbalance pass the point of not being able to make a sain decision or be able to fight back? Only God may know for sure and we have to put it in his hands.

5. I do not believe in UES or preaching people into Heaven or going against scripture.
My own son got killed in a tragic accident one night and I had prayed for God to save him and according to his mother he did and even talked to his pastor to make sure.
I have to go by his mother's word and faith in God through my perseverance in prayer that if I never had another day with him or hearing him say he loved me that God would save him before it was too late.
I talked to him two days before he died and the last four words he said was Dad I love you.
I believe by faith according to the word that he had gotten saved and other than that hat God alone knows for a fact.
So as a general rule suicide is a road to hell but are their exceptions to the rule? We will one day see. Jerry kelso

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Is that why you are trying to get to heaven? For the rewards? Do you also believe that the harder you work at being Christian, the more reward you will get? That is pretty twisted.

If I get to heaven, there will be one reason for it, God's grace. What am I doing now to get greater rewards in heaven? Nothing. I am a Christian, not to go to heaven, but because I love God. Even if He sends me to hell, I will still end up praising Him. The rewards don't matter! If He sets me to polishing the streets of gold, I will be grateful for that, and I'll get some people together to have, "Praise and Polish" time.

So when paul said you run to win the race what do you think he meant by that? You think you are being noble but you are being unwise by declining rewards God surely wants to give you. But nice try.

24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

 

[Monk Brendan]

So when paul said you run to win the race what do you think he meant by that? You think you are being noble but you are being unwise by declining rewards God surely wants to give you. But nice try.

You misunderstand. Heaven is reward enough. If God wants to give me a big crown full of jewels, or a big house with every labor saving device, or whatever, it doesn't matter. Heaven is enough. I'll take all of what God wishes to give me, but I will not take a penny more.

 

[dqhall]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

So, other than perhaps not being a usable tool in God's earthly projects (such as bringing others to christ), and perhaps bearing a bad testimony to those left behind, why shouldn't a child of God prematurely die (that is, not by a "natural" cause, but by a willful choice)? I understand the motives may be selfish, but still.

If we will die anyways, and if we'll go to heaven anyways, then what's wrong with hastening it? Selfishly speaking, it only seems advantageous. Are there only altruistic reasons for not doing it?

Thoughts?

Judas delivered Jesus up to his executioners. Judas did not stay long upon this earth. He committed suicide as God's wrath was against him.

One considering suicide should convert to Christianity and pray for guidance. It is difficult to learn what Christianity is without prayer and study. Murder is not the way to heaven. Suicide is not self defense.

 

[brightlights]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

So, other than perhaps not being a usable tool in God's earthly projects (such as bringing others to christ), and perhaps bearing a bad testimony to those left behind, why shouldn't a child of God prematurely die (that is, not by a "natural" cause, but by a willful choice)? I understand the motives may be selfish, but still.

If we will die anyways, and if we'll go to heaven anyways, then what's wrong with hastening it? Selfishly speaking, it only seems advantageous. Are there only altruistic reasons for not doing it?

Thoughts?

The reason a Christian should not kill himself is because it violates the Law of God (see footnotes on the sixth commandment). Also it does incredible harm to others. When a person commits suicide they are certainly harming themselves, but perhaps more than this they are harming their family and friends that depend on them in some way.

For example if I were to commit suicide I would be robbing my children of a father and robbing my wife of a husband.

Another reason that a Christian should not kill themselves is because life is a good blessing from God. It would be much better for the Christian to enjoy the blessing of life than to prematurely end it and despise God's blessings.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

So, other than perhaps not being a usable tool in God's earthly projects (such as bringing others to christ), and perhaps bearing a bad testimony to those left behind, why shouldn't a child of God prematurely die (that is, not by a "natural" cause, but by a willful choice)? I understand the motives may be selfish, but still.

If we will die anyways, and if we'll go to heaven anyways, then what's wrong with hastening it? Selfishly speaking, it only seems advantageous. Are there only altruistic reasons for not doing it?

Thoughts?

Suicide is self destruction of Creation (humans). It is what the evil one desires because of hate for Creation (humans).

 

[Landon Caeli]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

So, other than perhaps not being a usable tool in God's earthly projects (such as bringing others to christ), and perhaps bearing a bad testimony to those left behind, why shouldn't a child of God prematurely die (that is, not by a "natural" cause, but by a willful choice)? I understand the motives may be selfish, but still.

If we will die anyways, and if we'll go to heaven anyways, then what's wrong with hastening it? Selfishly speaking, it only seems advantageous. Are there only altruistic reasons for not doing it?

Thoughts?

I'd feel guilty even questioning the concept. My conscience won't let me go there...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I have fibromyalgia (FMS). This is a disease in which certain nerves are always being stimulated. As of yet, there is no cure. The pain is continuous.

I was diagnosed with FMS about 16 years ago. I have been in constant pain for all those years. Believe me, I don't like being in pain at all. (Please, I don't want any martyr points). However, I continue to get up every day, do all of the things that my monastic superior (Fr. Basil) asks of me, and maybe I can spend some time on the computer, just for myself. I might welcome being pain free, but I will not welcome death. When he comes, I'll be biting and scratching and screaming, trying to get out of his grip. Don't even think I will go peacefully, or welcome death.

Why? Because I like life! Even with FMS and arthritis and a bad back, and diabetes, and so on, I still enjoy living! (That, and I want to see George Lucas finish the last Star Wars trilogy! LOL)

I pray that Yeshua restore your health and if not, then that you may have strength from above to endure your suffering.

 

[Anguspure]

Ok. But what about those who don't like their life? What about someone who suffers physically? Or someone who's just sick of life (maybe they got hurt, or whatever reason they may hold for it)?

Does God really need us to share the gospel anyways? I understand that's the mean he wants to use though. But he doesn't need us.

I suppose one more reason could be offered. Maybe we won't be able to grow spiritually and get closer to him, but I also suppose we'll have plenty of that in heaven.

This life is to eternity what the womb is to this life.

The things that happen to us in utero don't make a whole lot of sense from the perspective of the infant in the womb until one realises that these things are not for life in the womb but are rather for life in the outside world.

In much the same way we too have trouble making sense of our lives here and now and many of us suffer circumstances and illnesses that make us wish we weren't here.

But we should trust our Creator Father to bring us to full term in His wisdom so that we might be fully formed in our ressurection.

Paul wrote: Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

We hang on to the hope then and do not autoabort in order to escape the very things that are developing us into the Children of God.

 

[Anguspure]

Many of the disciples of Christ and Christ Himself hastened their deaths by preaching the Gospel to the point that it endangered their lives.

This is called Love; laying down our lives for the benefit of another in imitation of and empowered by the Spirit of Christ.

It is diametricly opposite to the practice of ending ones own life because one is sick of it all or can't think of anything better to do.

To live ones life in Love actually increases the desire for Life and to suggest that these beleivers gave their lives as an expression of suicidal tendencies completely misunderstands the point and belittles the horror that they endured for the sake of us all and in imitation of Christ.

 

[John Hyperspace]

A Christian should not commit suicide because they should know the secret of suffering this life, and not wish to avoid it.

 

[jerry kelso]

I pray that Yeshua restore your health and if not, then that you may have strength from above to endure your suffering.

yeshuahaderekh,

1. Reverend Paul Billheimer said in his book, " Destined For The Throne; We are hear to learn the true law of love to become Kings, Priests, and rulers in the Kingdom to come.
If we understand rulership training we are committed to make the sacrifice, knowing that the things that we may think unfair, that make us question God and that rock our world; we can know the joy of the Lord is our strength, knowing he will make them for our good.
2 Timothy 2:12; if we suffer we shall reign........
This is our purpose and destiny; Destined For The Throne. PTL! Jerry kelso

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

If a christian kills himself, he still goes to heaven, right? If God truly forgave him and accepted him in his kingdom, he won't change his mind later. Even if a sin like self-murder is commited.

So, other than perhaps not being a usable tool in God's earthly projects (such as bringing others to christ), and perhaps bearing a bad testimony to those left behind, why shouldn't a child of God prematurely die (that is, not by a "natural" cause, but by a willful choice)? I understand the motives may be selfish, but still.

If we will die anyways, and if we'll go to heaven anyways, then what's wrong with hastening it? Selfishly speaking, it only seems advantageous. Are there only altruistic reasons for not doing it?

Thoughts?

A "Christian" is a person in whom dwells the eternal Spirit of God. So what does God say about His temple? Read the Word of God from 1 Corinthians 3:16-17.

"Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are."

Anyone who belongs to God and is being tempted with suicide (which is from Satan) needs to meditate on this verse. God tells Christians two truths
1) Your body is the Holy Temple of God (Love and Grace)
2) You destroy God's temple, God will destroy you (Fear of the Lord)