Why seek "God"?

[ananda]

i talked about starting from the beginning rather than entering through the wide gate/going the broad way

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What beginning are you referring to?

 

[toLiJC]

What beginning are you referring to?

new beginning of the faith's practice - as you were a christian and then became a buddhist - you had to start from the beginning of the buddhistic practice, though you had previously to start from the beginning of the christian faith's practice, so the worshiper has to start from the beginning of the practice of Jesus' faith if he or she has practiced the faith according to some insecure religion and wants to be sure he/she practices the faith right...

Blessings

 

[ananda]

new beginning of the faith's practice - as you were a christian and then became a buddhist - you had to start from the beginning of the buddhistic practice, though you had previously to start from the beginning of the christian faith's practice, so the worshiper has to start from the beginning of the practice of Jesus' faith if he or she has practiced the faith according to some insecure religion and wants to be sure he/she practices the faith right...

Blessings

Why practice Jesus' faith as the "right" faith, instead of Mohammad's faith, or Zoroaster's faith, or Krishna's faith?

 

[toLiJC]

Why practice Jesus' faith as the "right" faith, instead of Mohammad's faith, or Zoroaster's faith, or Krishna's faith?

because Jesus Christ is the Lord of the true faith, the One Who says to start practicing the faith from the beginning following the universal principles of faith

Blessings

 

[ananda]

because Jesus Christ is the Lord of the true faith, the One Who says to start practicing the faith from the beginning following the universal principles of faith

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I have no personal knowledge of this dogma. The others also claim similarly.

 

[toLiJC]

I have no personal knowledge of this dogma. The others also claim similarly.

as for who is the Lord, this doesn't depends on our choice, if God has chosen Jesus Christ to be the Lord until the end of the eternity, who can change that?!, and i don't see why there must be something more important than the very overall salvation?!, if it is protracted in this eternity, it will be protracted again in each of the next/future eternities - it doesn't pay to replace the true Savior with another, because each of the other gods/lords(christs)/spirits can only protract the process of overall salvation if he/it is placed in lieu of the true One (and then there will be a judgment for those who have protracted the process of overall salvation)

John 3:14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;"

Blessings

 

[ananda]

as for who is the Lord, this doesn't depends on our choice, if God has chosen Jesus Christ to be the Lord until the end of the eternity, who can change that?!

I have no personal knowledge of this dogma: that "God" has "chosen" "Jesus Christ" as "Lord", or of the "end of the eternity".

, and i don't see why there must be something more important than the very overall salvation?!, if it is protracted in this eternity, it will be protracted again in each of the next/future eternities - it doesn't pay to replace the true Savior with another, because each of the other gods/lords(christs)/spirits can only protract the process of overall salvation if he/it is placed in lieu of the true One (and then there will be a judgment for those who have protracted the process of overall salvation)

John 3:14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;"

Blessings

I have no personal knowledge of your dogma regarding "salvation", "the true Savior", "the true One", "Moses", "Son of Man", etc. I have no knowledge of a way to personally verify any of these claims either.

 

[toLiJC]

I have no personal knowledge of this dogma: that "God" has "chosen" "Jesus Christ" as "Lord", or of the "end of the eternity".

I have no personal knowledge of your dogma regarding "salvation", "the true Savior", "the true One", "Moses", "Son of Man", etc. I have no knowledge of a way to personally verify any of these claims either.

there is no need for knowledge - the worshiper just needs to practice the faith in the true One right (enough)

Blessings

 

[ananda]

there is no need for knowledge - the worshiper just needs to practice the faith in the true One right (enough)

Blessings

Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of the proper practice of the alleged "true One's" faith.

 

[toLiJC]

Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of the proper practice of the alleged "true One's" faith.

in principle i am not intending to change you, and Christ is liking at least a piece of your mind, because there is somewhat a kind of "neti, neti" philosophy even in His teaching (for example, neither infliction of harm on the neighbor, nor self-destruction, neither destruction, nor non-salvation), but what kind of extra knowledge do you need to have mercy on your cohabitant when you see him suffer?!, God is not blind, weak, heartless and dull so as there to be a need for anyone else to see, be mighty and wise instead of Him - being solicitous of the neighbors/cohabitants' welfare and praying for their salvation is enough for Him in principle, but you don't believe in the true God, so having the true faith is a matter of doing it alone, because you can see how you and many others don't believe in the true One except if you do it alone...

and btw having no knowledge is not an excuse

Luke 12:47-48 "And every servant who knew his lord's will, and didn't prepare himself, nor did what his lord wanted, will be severely beaten, while every servant who did not know (it) and did things deserving punishment will be beaten less severely."

Blessings

 

[ananda]

in principle i am not intending to change you, and Christ is liking at least a piece of your mind, because there is somewhat a kind of "neti, neti" philosophy even in His teaching (for example, neither infliction of harm on the neighbor, nor self-destruction, neither destruction, nor non-salvation), but what kind of extra knowledge do you need to have mercy on your cohabitant when you see him suffer?!, God is not blind, weak, heartless and dull so as there to be a need for anyone else to see, be mighty and wise instead of Him - being solicitous of the neighbors/cohabitants' welfare and praying for their salvation is enough for Him in principle, but you don't believe in the true God, so having the true faith is a matter of doing it alone, because you can see how you and many others don't believe in the true One except if you do it alone...

and btw having no knowledge is not an excuse

Luke 12:47-48 "And every servant who knew his lord's will, and didn't prepare himself, nor did what his lord wanted, will be severely beaten, while every servant who did not know (it) and did things deserving punishment will be beaten less severely."

Blessings

Do you claim that I must believe/blind faith in "the true God" before acquiring knowledge of him?

That seems like saying "have blind faith in Harry Potter, and one day he will reveal himself to you".

 

[toLiJC]

Do you claim that I must believe/blind faith in "the true God" before acquiring knowledge of him?

That seems like saying "have blind faith in Harry Potter, and one day he will reveal himself to you".

where could the average person receive/get such a knowledge (from) when the available true Saints have always been a handful of people in this world?! - IOW the chance to meet such a person has been very rare, which is why Jesus said "have faith in God"(Mark 11:22) - if the world has been full of true Saints, there would be overall salvation and no one would suffer any longer; it is usually so that the worshiper has first to seek the true One and only then he/she may know Him - remember the parable of the "prodigal" son, he had to seek the true One, though he was not able to find Him anyway, which is why the true One ran and embraced him while he was still a long way off (Luke 15:20)

how to know the true One if He doesn't reveal Himself to us?!, and how to be sure that He will reveal Himself to us if we don't seek Him?!, this is why Jesus and St Paul talked about seeking Him or His Righteousness/Kingdom (as in Matthew 6:31-34, Matthew 7:7-11, Acts 17:24-27 and Hebrews 11:6) - so how can you know a person if you don't seek acquaintance with them, nor do they seek acquaintance with you?!

Blessings

 

[ananda]

where could the average person receive/get such a knowledge (from) when the available true Saints have always been a handful of people in this world?! - IOW the chance to meet such a person has been very rare, which is why Jesus said "have faith in God"(Mark 11:22) - if the world has been full of true Saints, there would be overall salvation and no one would suffer any longer; it is usually so that the worshiper has first to seek the true One and only then he/she may know Him - remember the parable of the "prodigal" son, he had to seek the true One, though he was not able to find Him anyway, which is why the true One ran and embraced him while he was still a long way off (Luke 15:20)

how to know the true One if He doesn't reveal Himself to us?!, and how to be sure that He will reveal Himself to us if we don't seek Him?!, this is why Jesus and St Paul talked about seeking Him or His Righteousness/Kingdom (as in Matthew 6:31-34, Matthew 7:7-11, Acts 17:24-27 and Hebrews 11:6) - so how can you know a person if you don't seek acquaintance with them, nor do they seek acquaintance with you?!

Blessings

As I have stated, I have sought "Jesus" and "God" - for 30 years - but they never revealed themselves to me.

 

[dlamberth]

where could the average person receive/get such a knowledge (from) when the available true Saints have always been a handful of people in this world?!

True Saints are more common than one might think, but being humble people, they don't see themselves as anything other than as human beings going through the stuff that all human beings go through. As such, they do not advertise themselves. These very special beings can be found within all sorts of different religions and even non-religions. No single religion has a handle hold on Sainthood. It's something that bubbles up from ones soul.

 

[toLiJC]

As I have stated, I have sought "Jesus" and "God" - for 30 years - but they never revealed themselves to me.

i have also sought Them for not a few years and can't say They would not reveal Themselves to the person that seeks Them, but i cannot guarantee whether the seeker will find exactly what he/she is expecting to find or is looking for, or whether They will reveal Themselves to the seeker exactly in the way he/she expects it to happen - one thing i know for sure, the passive heart is negligible compared to active initiative, to put it another way, don't wait (without doing anything) for Them to do everything, the faith needs active struggle against evil and for overall salvation...

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

True Saints are more common than one might think, but being humble people, they don't see themselves as anything other than as human beings going through the stuff that all human beings go through. As such, they do not advertise themselves. These very special beings can be found within all sorts of different religions and even non-religions. No single religion has a handle hold on Sainthood. It's something that bubbles up from ones soul.

it seems as if you live in a fantasy world - if there have been e.g. 144 thousand true Saints in this world, all humankind would be saved permanently, but as you see humans still suffer from different kinds of evil(s)...

where in this world do you now see/find such a Saint as St Apostle Peter, John or Paul?! (such a Saint saved thousands of people perfectly)

Blessings

 

[dlamberth]

where in this world do you now see/find such a Saint as St Apostle Peter, John or Paul?! (such a Saint saved thousands of people perfectly)

The True Saints in this world can be found with in all of those people spread across the planet who spend their lives feeding the poor, helping the sick, the elderly and those in need. The people who rise to this work are sacred and a miracle in this world where there is so much fear, hate and separation between us.

 

[ananda]

i have also sought Them for not a few years and can't say They would not reveal Themselves to the person that seeks Them, but i cannot guarantee whether the seeker will find exactly what he/she is expecting to find or is looking for, or whether They will reveal Themselves to the seeker exactly in the way he/she expects it to happen - one thing i know for sure, the passive heart is negligible compared to active initiative, to put it another way, don't wait (without doing anything) for Them to do everything, the faith needs active struggle against evil and for overall salvation...

Blessings

I've tried that for 30 years, I don't think I can afford another 30 years along that same path - especially considering that there are other paths which claim similarly. I do not have an infinite lifespan!

The Path I'm on has brought immediate & clear results, which I am happy with.

 

[toLiJC]

The True Saints in this world can be found with in all of those people spread across the planet who spend their lives feeding the poor, helping the sick, the elderly and those in need. The people who rise to this work are sacred and a miracle in this world where there is so much fear, hate and separation between us.

1 Corinthians 6:4 "if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church?"

if, God forbid, you are sick, what will you prefer, being treated by a real professional or being treated by a layman?!, so it is also important who is raised in the faith, the true Saints can save humans perfectly and are therefore worthy to be first in the Kingdom of God, and indeed there is something like a hierarchy, the better/more helpful should be higher, which is why we the followers of the true One don't dare honor less helpful people more than more helpful ones (remember the 5th of the Ten Commandments)...

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

I've tried that for 30 years, I don't think I can afford another 30 years along that same path - especially considering that there are other paths which claim similarly. I do not have an infinite lifespan!

The Path I'm on has brought immediate & clear results, which I am happy with.

i don't judge/condemn you, but i think we have brought nothing to the world, nor can we take anything out of it, so why must we worry about/hurry to receive our comfort by following world religions instead of "hungering/thirsting" for righteousness?!, if buddhism is of this world, how will it be possible that you take it out of it and enter the Heaven with it?! - not everything that shines is gold, and the promised prize could turn out to be false

you/your expectations were disappointed by christianity, but do you think you had practiced the faith properly (enough) for all those years if there had been no results such as there had been with Jesus and His true disciples presented in the Bible?!; i had bitter experience with indic religions (and not only with indic religions) for many years and would say that following sects is a waste of time and cause of great destruction for humankind, hinduism is a greatest satanism and there have also been many other ostensibly sacred religions that are actually satanic, and unfortunately, the popular christianity, albeit somehow last in the black list/considered least dangerous, has also been full of heresies...

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