Why seek "God"?

[Jane_the_Bane]

so do you consider Buddha god or a messenger from god?

While I'm not a Buddhist, per se, my spirituality owes much to Buddhism.

Originally, Buddhism is apatheistic, i.e. the existence or non-existence of god(s) is mostly irrelevant to its teachings. Since the teachings originated in a culture that pretty much considered gods to be real, they crop up occasionally in Buddhist lore - along with hell dimensions, etc.

All of that said, I'd hold that Buddhism is not inextricably tied to theist notions, nor dependent upon supernatural considerations.

The historical Buddha "simply" saw the reality of the human condition in its full scope, offering a means to arrive at the same point, beyond the cycle of ignorance that keeps resulting in suffering.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

well does Buddha invites you to believe in one god the god of the universe?

Seeing one religion through the eyes of the other will always result in disaster.

Case in point: Islam is an utter failure from the vantage point of Buddhism, because compliance to the micro-managing rules of said religion and devotion to a hypothetical deity will fail to free people from the cycle of suffering inflicted by false expectations.

 

[habibii zahra]

No, because such a belief cannot be verified.

it can be verified...who created the whole universe ...how do you describe all this coherence and all this accurate system in the world...how come this universe is very organized and who is the one who is taking control of everything
your existence is a same truth of the existence of god ..if you exist then who created you and who is controlling your life??? there must be an absolute being ruling out there

 

[habibii zahra]

Where do you "see" the manifestation of God?

I see the manifestation of god in his prophets..they are the most complete manifestation of god...that is why we say jesus is the manifestation of god

 

[habibii zahra]

Seeing one religion through the eyes of the other will always result in disaster.

Case in point: Islam is an utter failure from the vantage point of Buddhism, because compliance to the micro-managing rules of said religion and devotion to a hypothetical deity will fail to free people from the cycle of suffering inflicted by false expectations.

Islam has come with the most perfect regime and doctrine ever...you will not find such beliefs in other religions
Islam calls:
to believe in god the one the god of the whole universe
to believe in all monotheistic religion
to believe in Christianity and Judaism
to believe in the bible and the Torah
to apply the ten commandments
to be kind to poor and weak
to help weak people
where can you find such doctrine ever????

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I've never said that He wasn't mainly because I DO recognize Mohammad as a messenger of God.

Aren't we all, though?
I'd say even the lowliest monocellular organism is ultimately a messenger of "god", a manifestation of Reality.

 

[ananda]

it can be verified...who created the whole universe ...how do you describe all this coherence and all this accurate system in the world...how come this universe is very organized and who is the one who is taking control of everything
your existence is a same truth of the existence of god ..if you exist then who created you and who is controlling your life??? there must be an absolute being ruling out there

Perhaps the sun god Aten created everything.

 

[dlamberth]

I see the manifestation of god in his prophets..they are the most complete manifestation of god...that is why we say jesus is the manifestation of god

Where we differ is that I see the most complete manifestation of God with in Creation itSelf.

 

[ananda]

Islam has come with the most perfect regime and doctrine ever...you will not find such beliefs in other religions
Islam calls:
to believe in god the one the god of the whole universe
to believe in all monotheistic religion
to believe in Christianity and Judaism
to believe in the bible and the Torah
to apply the ten commandments
where can you find such doctrine ever????

Is this list meant to convince us, or to dissuade us? (I find that it helps with the latter)

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

it can be verified...who created the whole universe ...how do you describe all this coherence and all this accurate system in the world...how come this universe is very organized and who is the one who is taking control of everything
your existence is a same truth of the existence of god ..if you exist then who created you and who is controlling your life??? there must be an absolute being ruling out there

This is akin to looking at a crystal and saying: "some supernatural artist must have designed and built this in a workshop"!

It's a blatant (and rather naive) anthropomorphism, i.e. taking human existence as the standard and projecting it upon the rest of the natural world.
The human way of creation (re-arranging matter, creating patterns, etc.) is actually the deviation from the norm. We are surrounded by order that comes into being without any sapient agency, from snow crystals to rock formations to the way stars group together in a pattern that follows the same mathematical principle as the seeds within a sunflower.

Looking at all of that and concluding "there must be an invisible god-man who has designed it" strikes me as the ultimate stumbling block on the road towards understanding reality.

For even if there was such an invisible entity, assuming their existence a priori would seriously impair our ability to actually figure it out. We've already got the answer, so why keep looking?

As it is, everything within the universe points to the absence of the kind of supernatural interventionist, personal deity that Abrahamic monotheists usually believe in.

 

[dlamberth]

Aren't we all, though?
I'd say even the lowliest monocellular organism is ultimately a messenger of "god", a manifestation of Reality.

Agreed!!
Which is exactly why I'm able to include Mohammad.

What is this delight-filled universe
Into which we find ourselves born?
What is this mysterious awareness
Shimmering everywhere within it?
~The Radiance Sutras~

“I, the fiery life of divine essence, am aflame beyond the beauty of the meadows, I gleam in the waters, and I burn in the sun, moon and stars ... I awaken everything to life.”
~ Hildegard von Bingen~

 

[dlamberth]

Islam has come with the most perfect regime and doctrine ever...

Personally, I take Creation itSelf as the most perfect Regime and Doctrine ever.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Islam has come with the most perfect regime and doctrine ever...you will not find such beliefs in other religions

Let's test that hypothesis straight away.

Islam calls:
to believe in god the one the god of the whole universe

This doctrine is bad on several accounts:
it impairs the quest for understanding, in demanding that we assume a certain conclusion beforehand ("faith"/belief).
Likewise, it does not teach us anything about how to relate to others in a benevolent manner, or to understand ourselves better.
This seems to be more about the hypothetical deity's ego than about anything else.

to believe in all monotheistic religion

Basically, see above.

to apply the ten commandments

An overrated set of laws, almost half of which are wasted in the deity's ego. And the parts that are decent do not rely upon Abrahamic monotheism, but are pretty much a universal feature of decent conduct.

to be kind to poor and weak
to help weak people

Again, being a decent human being is not the exclusive province of Islam, or even the Abrahamic religions. Quite the contrary. You can find such sentiment in even the most remote and archaic tribal societies.

Even more important, though, monotheism tends to give a *very* poor reason for being kind to the poor and weak: it's not because you genuinely care for them, not because of common decency or kindness, but because you expect rewards or punishments. Theistic morality keeps ethics on the playground level, where stern authorities keep everything in check (and things erupt in chaos as soon as you remove said authorities from the picture). A murderer who stays his hand only because he fears being caught has learned nothing, understood nothing.

 

[CherubRam]

The commandments draw peoples attention to how they should act.

 

[ananda]

The commandments draw peoples attention to how they should act.

Which commandments?

 

[CherubRam]

Which commandments?

God's Moral commandments in the bible.

 

[toLiJC]

So, what - in the list of things I practice - do you believe is "wickedness" and "spiritual lawlessness"?

how do you know that you do not cause evil to your neighbor/townsman/cohabitant by practicing your religion?!, can you see and be sure whether there is no one unfavorably affected by your spiritual/religious practice?!, did eve and adam know that their occult/esoteric practice would be a cause of the Fall for all humankind?!

Romans 5:12-14 (KJV) "by one man(also: through the generation of the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants) sin(i.e. the devil as well as the system of spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness, a.k.a. the kingdom of the evil one) entered into the world, and death(i.e. and the (spirit of) deterioration) by sin; and so death passed upon all men(i.e. and so deterioration affected many humans), for that all have sinned(i.e. because many were seized by the system of spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness - some of them as its servants, others as its victims): For until the law sin was in the world(i.e. because the "darkness" was in the universe even until the nascence of human spirituality/religiosity): but sin is not imputed when there is no law(i.e. but there is no sin where there is no spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness). Nevertheless death(i.e. the deterioration) reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression(i.e. even over people that had not committed spiritual lawlessness/wickedness)"

once there were worshipers that had repented of their spiritual lawlessness at least after they heard a sermon from the true One (as the worshipers of nineveh had repented), nowadays the world is full of worshipers that never repent of their sins...

Blessings

 

[ananda]

God's Moral commandments in the bible.

Such as the second commandment: "ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves" (Ex 34:13)?

 

[ananda]

how do you know that you do not cause evil to your neighbor/townsman/cohabitant by practicing your religion?!, can you see and be sure whether there is no one unfavorably affected by your spiritual/religious practice?!, did eve and adam know that their occult/esoteric practice would be a cause of the Fall for all humankind?!

Romans 5:12-14 (KJV) "by one man(also: through the generation of the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants) sin(i.e. the devil as well as the system of spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness, a.k.a. the kingdom of the evil one) entered into the world, and death(i.e. and the (spirit of) deterioration) by sin; and so death passed upon all men(i.e. and so deterioration affected many humans), for that all have sinned(i.e. because many were seized by the system of spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness - some of them as its servants, others as its victims): For until the law sin was in the world(i.e. because the "darkness" was in the universe even until the nascence of human spirituality/religiosity): but sin is not imputed when there is no law(i.e. but there is no sin where there is no spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness). Nevertheless death(i.e. the deterioration) reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression(i.e. even over people that had not committed spiritual lawlessness/wickedness)"

once there were worshipers that had repented of their spiritual lawlessness at least after they heard a sermon from the true One (as the worshipers of nineveh had repented), nowadays the world is full of worshipers that never repent of their sins...

Blessings

What are the Buddhist wickednesses, sins, and spiritual lawlessnesses I practice that affect or cause evil to my neighbor?

 

[CherubRam]

Such as the second commandment: "ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves" (Ex 34:13)?

I would not call that a moral command, but what the hey; close enough. The Pagan's worshiped gods they made of wood and stone. They were driving out of the land a people who were of a very low moral grade.