Why seek "God"?

[ananda]

I did nothing he loved me thus he revealed himself to me

Why you, and not everyone else, simultaneously?

 

[toLiJC]

Buddhism, as I understand it, does not teach that it only benefits those who practice it. Early Buddhism is not a religion which demands obedience to dogmatic assertions. Instead, it merely points to the Laws of Reality. Everyone is compelled to followed those Laws, whether we like it or not. Buddhism merely suggests precepts, which we voluntarily assume, through which we can ease our burdens, based on skillful understanding and use of those Laws. Those who deny Buddhism are free to do so - it doesn't change the Laws which govern us all.

Unfortunately, I cannot verify any of this for myself.

I have no knowledge of everlasting life. But, what is the purpose of everlasting life, except to placate the dukkha of those who are afraid of death?

Buddhism also suggests that those who dwell in the heavens are not always righteous. Even deities are said to often act unwisely, under delusion, attachment, or aversion. So yes, even the deities and the heavens deteriorate.

I cannot answer that question, because I do see the answer, nor do I know of a way as to how that answer can be surely known.

Thanks for sharing, but I didn't ask if you verified that the entity you encountered was a powerful being; I asked if and how you verified that it was the "Almighty/Eternal/Infinite, and not simply a lesser, limited, but (perhaps still a) powerful being".

I try not to engage in "what if's" .... removal of attachments and aversions does resolve alot of dukkha, proven by my own practice. Even love is an attachment that is often filled with grief and other dukkha - love is not the end-all in Buddhism.

you seem to be very lost, the buddhistic middle is dumb, you show that you neither care nor know nor are interested to care or know what is really good for the soul in the long(est) run/term of eternity, because (can you understand me) the buddhistic middle is beyond all that happens to the neighbor/cohabitant?!?!

what guarantee is there that the spirits of buddhism are not devilish?!, for example, yogi(n)s have claimed that kundalini, chakras, vibration aum and sat-cit-ananda are holy spirits, but it turned out, and is even written in biblical scriptures, that all those spirits are manifestations of the "darkness", and the "dark" matter could be very misleading even on a highest/deepest level through the system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity, and what one yogi(n) could see through the third eye is only what the "darkness" could make them see, i already saw what the effect/result of buddhistic practice is, and even sensed/felt a great hiss, i saw the light and many times was convinced that there is something very wrong with the system of human spirituality/religiosity, Jesus as well as each of His true disciples cast the devilish spirits out of the world, occultists/esotericists and idolaters/heretics brought them to the world claiming they know the truth and what they do when the result of their spiritual/religious activity has been detrimental to billions of people over centuries/millennia, love has been replaced by occult/esoteric methods/practices, righteousness —— substituted with heretical/idolatrous doctrines/theories, the worshipers of nineveh had repented of their spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness after they heard one simplest sermon from the Prophet of God, many modern worshipers have not repented of their spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness even after they heard and read thousands of most detailed and comprehensive sermons and testimonies from the true Lord God and His messengers - irreligious doctors, physicians and surgeons have saved many human lives, religious worshipers have saved no one...

Blessings

 

[ananda]

you seem to be very lost, the buddhistic middle is dumb, you show that you neither care nor know nor are interested to care or know what is really good for the soul in the long(est) run/term of eternity, because (can you understand me) the buddhistic middle is beyond all that happens to the neighbor/cohabitant?!?!

The four noble truths, and the eightfold path is a summary of all that can be known in the here-and-now. We do not engage in speculations regarding eternity.

what guarantee is there that the spirits of buddhism are not devilish?!,

Which spirits? It is said that there are innumerable spirits on different planes, each with individual characteristics - just like the human plane. Some are good, some are evil, some have a mix of both.

for example, yogi(n)s have claimed that kundalini, chakras, vibration aum and sat-cit-ananda are holy spirits, but it turned out, and is even written in biblical scriptures, that all those spirits are manifestations of the "darkness", and the "dark" matter could be very misleading even on a highest/deepest level through the system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity, and what one yogi(n) could see through the third eye is only what the "darkness" could make them see, i already saw what the effect/result of buddhistic practice is, and even sensed/felt a great hiss, i saw the light and many times was convinced that there is something very wrong with the system of human spirituality/religiosity, Jesus as well as each of His true disciples cast the devilish spirits out of the world, occultists/esotericists and idolaters/heretics brought them to the world claiming they know the truth and what they do when the result of their spiritual/religious activity has been detrimental to billions of people over centuries/millennia, love has been replaced by occult/esoteric methods/practices, righteousness —— substituted with heretical/idolatrous doctrines/theories, the worshipers of nineveh had repented of their spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness after they heard one simplest sermon from the Prophet of God, many modern worshipers have not repented of their spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness even after they heard and read thousands of most detailed and comprehensive sermons and testimonies from the true Lord God and His messengers - irreligious doctors, physicians and surgeons have saved many human lives, religious worshipers have saved no one...

Blessings

As a self-proclaimed prophet of the true god, perhaps you have the ability to cast the devilish spirit(s) out from me then, thus restoring my blinded sight to truly understand the almightiness of Jesus and the true God? I shall be interested in observing the result!

 

[dlamberth]

what guarantee is there that the spirits of buddhism are not devilish?!, for example, yogi(n)s have claimed that kundalini, chakras, vibration aum and sat-cit-ananda are holy spirits, but it turned out, and is even written in biblical scriptures, that all those spirits are manifestations of the "darkness", and the "dark" matter could be very misleading even on a highest/deepest level through the system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity, and what one yogi(n) could see through the third eye is only what the "darkness" could make them see, i already saw what the effect/result of buddhistic practice is, and even sensed/felt a great hiss, i saw the light and many times was convinced that there is something very wrong with the system of human spirituality/religiosity, Jesus as well as each of His true disciples cast the devilish spirits out of the world, occultists/esotericists and idolaters/heretics brought them to the world claiming they know the truth and what they do when the result of their spiritual/religious activity has been detrimental to billions of people over centuries/millennia, love has been replaced by occult/esoteric methods/practices, righteousness —— substituted with heretical/idolatrous doctrines/theories, the worshipers of nineveh had repented of their spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness after they heard one simplest sermon from the Prophet of God, many modern worshipers have not repented of their spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness even after they heard and read thousands of most detailed and comprehensive sermons and testimonies from the true Lord God and His messengers - irreligious doctors, physicians and surgeons have saved many human lives, religious worshipers have saved no one...

Blessings

Not a period used.
I don't agree with a single thing you said, but I have to admit, that's a nice rant! And I honestly do mean that in the best of ways.

 

[habibii zahra]

What did you do to cause him to reveal himself to you?

I didn't his love and his mercy is enough to make him reveal himself to me without doing anything....
everyone can reach ALLAH's love it is available for everyone..you can knock the door and he will open it for you

 

[habibii zahra]

I am glad that Muslims want to worship the God of Abraham. What bothers me is that (Allah) is not a god that Abraham worshiped. The Arabs knew the God of Abraham as Yahwah in the 9th century BC. The Arabs stopped speaking God's name when He would not curse the Jews for them. That is why Mohammad did not know the name of God. If Mohammad was truly a prophet of God, he would have known God's name.

ALLAH is the god of Abraham and Mohammad knew his name otherwise why are we calling god ALLAH?
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124. And (remember) when the Lord of Ibrahim (Abraham) [i.e., Allah] tried him with (certain) Commands, which he fulfilled. He (Allah) said (to him), "Verily, I am going to make you a leader (Prophet) of mankind." [Ibrahim (Abraham)] said, "And of my offspring (to make leaders)." (Allah) said, "My Covenant (Prophethood, etc.) includes not Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers)."

125. And (remember) when We made the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) a place of resort for mankind and a place of safety. And take you (people) the Maqam (place) of Ibrahim (Abraham) [or the stone on which Ibrahim (Abraham) stood while he was building the Ka'bah] as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers, e.g. two Rak'at after the Tawaf of the Ka'bah at Makkah), and We commanded Ibrahim (Abraham) and Isma'il (Ishmael) that they should purify My House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) for those who are circumambulating it, or staying (I'tikaf), or bowing or prostrating themselves (there, in prayer).

126. And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord, make this city (Makkah) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He (Allah) answered: "As for him who disbelieves, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the torment of the Fire, and worst indeed is that destination!"

127. And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) and (his son) Isma'il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), (saying), "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."

130. And who turns away from the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham) (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) except him who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world and verily, in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous.

132. And this (submission to Allah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qub (Jacob), (saying), "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims - Islamic Monotheism)."

(Al-Bakara 126-132)

 

[ananda]

I didn't his love and his mercy is enough to make him reveal himself to me without doing anything....
everyone can reach ALLAH's love it is available for everyone..you can knock the door and he will open it for you

I thought you said you didn't have to do anything ... but then you stated that you have to "knock the door"? How do you "knock the door"?

 

[toLiJC]

The four noble truths, and the eightfold path is a summary of all that can be known in the here-and-now. We do not engage in speculations regarding eternity.

even "noble" doesn't sound convincing for me - why do they call them "truths" at all?!, what is so true in those so-called "truths"?!, "noble" sounds like aristocratic, and those "truths" even seem like principles of some rich aristocrats, who are so rich that they even consider themselves too illustrious to think about the future of the souls, and only the here and now is important to them as if they are capricious princesses wanting many things for themselves now on the spot, waiting impatiently for the delivery, albeit seemingly peacefully...

even the refusal to take into consideration the possibility of potential problems in future is a speculation, so if you don't know what eternity is, how can you be sure what you (actually) do when you practice buddhism?!, for example, if a devastating (let's say category 5) hurricane was approaching your land (where you live/are located), would it be good for you, the people inhabiting that land, to not care about or not be interested in whether you are in danger?!, and when it comes to spiritual things, all souls of the infinite universe are concerned, as it is written:

Romans 5:12-14 (KJV) "by one man(also: through the generation of the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants) sin(i.e. the devil as well as the system of spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness, a.k.a. the kingdom of the evil one) entered into the world, and death(i.e. and the (spirit of) deterioration) by sin; and so death passed upon all men(i.e. and so deterioration affected many humans), for that all have sinned(i.e. because many were seized by the system of spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness - some of them as its servants, others as its victims): For until the law sin was in the world(i.e. because the "darkness" was in the universe even until the nascence of human spirituality/religiosity): but sin is not imputed when there is no law(i.e. but there is no sin where there is no spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness). Nevertheless death(i.e. the deterioration) reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression(i.e. even over people that had not committed spiritual lawlessness/wickedness)",

Revelation 16:13-14 (KJV) "I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty(also: to make them commit spiritual lawlessness/wickedness to the detriment of all humankind till the last day/hour)."

for example, if you manage to coax people into becoming followers/worshipers of and staying faithful to self-interested religion that is irresponsible for the future of the souls, then they can thus easily miss at least speeding up the process of overall salvation and shortening/reducing the sufferings of the souls not only for this eternity but also for every next/future eternity...

Matthew 7:1-12 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again... Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Which spirits? It is said that there are innumerable spirits on different planes, each with individual characteristics - just like the human plane. Some are good, some are evil, some have a mix of both.

sounds like great satanism - something like the "good" things for us, the evil things for you, or...?!

As a self-proclaimed prophet of the true god, perhaps you have the ability to cast the devilish spirit(s) out from me then, thus restoring my blinded sight to truly understand the almightiness of Jesus and the true God? I shall be interested in observing the result!

Mark 6:2-6 "And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching."

even the Lord, Jesus Christ, Himself could not cast the devils out of and heal people that commit great spiritual lawlessness, i.e. how can a true Saint cast the devils out of you if you serve them intensively and systematically in the form of some kind of occultism, esotericism, or heretical/idolatrous religion?!

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Not a period used.
I don't agree with a single thing you said, but I have to admit, that's a nice rant! And I honestly do mean that in the best of ways.

the period doesn't make things more complete

rant is the sermon(s) of those who profess promises of passing things

Blessings

 

[CherubRam]

ALLAH is the god of Abraham and Mohammad knew his name otherwise why are we calling god ALLAH?
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124. And (remember) when the Lord of Ibrahim (Abraham) [i.e., Allah] tried him with (certain) Commands, which he fulfilled. He (Allah) said (to him), "Verily, I am going to make you a leader (Prophet) of mankind." [Ibrahim (Abraham)] said, "And of my offspring (to make leaders)." (Allah) said, "My Covenant (Prophethood, etc.) includes not Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers)."

125. And (remember) when We made the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) a place of resort for mankind and a place of safety. And take you (people) the Maqam (place) of Ibrahim (Abraham) [or the stone on which Ibrahim (Abraham) stood while he was building the Ka'bah] as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers, e.g. two Rak'at after the Tawaf of the Ka'bah at Makkah), and We commanded Ibrahim (Abraham) and Isma'il (Ishmael) that they should purify My House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) for those who are circumambulating it, or staying (I'tikaf), or bowing or prostrating themselves (there, in prayer).

126. And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord, make this city (Makkah) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He (Allah) answered: "As for him who disbelieves, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the torment of the Fire, and worst indeed is that destination!"

127. And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) and (his son) Isma'il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), (saying), "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."

130. And who turns away from the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham) (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) except him who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world and verily, in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous.

132. And this (submission to Allah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qub (Jacob), (saying), "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims - Islamic Monotheism)."

(Al-Bakara 126-132)

If Allah means (The god,) then it can mean any god, since Muslims say it is not a name. The personal name of our God is Yahwah. “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

 

[ananda]

even "noble" doesn't sound convincing for me - why do they call them "truths" at all?!, what is so true in those so-called "truths"?!, "noble" sounds like aristocratic, and those "truths" even seem like principles of some rich aristocrats, who are so rich that they even consider themselves too illustrious to think about the future of the souls, and only the here and now is important to them as if they are capricious princesses wanting many things for themselves now on the spot, waiting impatiently for the delivery, albeit seemingly peacefully...

The truths are called "noble", not because they are limited to an aristocracy, but because they are precious. They are "truths" because they accord with the laws of reality.

The four truths are: 1. life is dukkha (incapable of providing permanent satisfaction); 2. dukkha arises because of clinging and craving; 3. by stopping clinging & craving, dukkha ends, 4. describes the practice through which we can end that clinging & craving (the eightfold path).

even the refusal to take into consideration the possibility of potential problems in future is a speculation, so if you don't know what eternity is, how can you be sure what you (actually) do when you practice buddhism?!,

It results in immediate fruits, the decrease of dukkha - and that is valuable, whether or not there are future results.

for example, if a devastating (let's say category 5) hurricane was approaching your land (where you live/are located), would it be good for you, the people inhabiting that land, to not care about or not be interested in whether you are in danger?!, and when it comes to spiritual things, all souls of the infinite universe are concerned, as it is written: Romans 5:12-14 (KJV).. Revelation 16:13-14 (KJV)

The difference is, I can observe the hurricane, so I would prepare for it. I cannot observe the dogmatic claims of your scriptures.

for example, if you manage to coax people into becoming followers/worshipers of and staying faithful to self-interested religion that is irresponsible for the future of the souls, then they can thus easily miss at least speeding up the process of overall salvation and shortening/reducing the sufferings of the souls not only for this eternity but also for every next/future eternity...

So, encourage others to be faithful to Zoroastrianism, right? You have not shown me a verifiable reason to favor your religion over any other faith-based religion.

sounds like great satanism - something like the "good" things for us, the evil things for you, or...?!

I do not understand your question here.

even the Lord, Jesus Christ, Himself could not cast the devils out of and heal people that commit great spiritual lawlessness, i.e. how can a true Saint cast the devils out of you if you serve them intensively and systematically in the form of some kind of occultism, esotericism, or heretical/idolatrous religion?! Blessings

I neither reject Jesus nor accept him ... I'm agnostic, open to testing your claims.

 

[habibii zahra]

If Allah means (The god,) then it can mean any god, since Muslims say it is not a name. The personal name of our God is Yahwah. “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

ALLAH is not any god ALLAH is the god of the universe ..the whole universe he is the god of jews Christians and muslims...jews and Christians calls ALLAH as their god in Arabic

 

[CherubRam]

ALLAH is not any god ALLAH is the god of the universe ..the whole universe he is the god of jews Christians and muslims...jews and Christians calls ALLAH as their god in Arabic

You have not paid attention to anything I have said, so I will say good bye. Good bye.

 

[toLiJC]

The truths are called "noble", not because they are limited to an aristocracy, but because they are precious. They are "truths" because they accord with the laws of reality.

Revelation 17:3-6 "I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration."

the only reason this noble/precious system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity still exists is the mercy and the patience of the true Saints, not because they participate in her sins - they don't do it, but because in principle they prefer saving even the people that are her followers/worshipers/clerics to destroying them - and they(her followers/worshipers/clerics) have to repent of being her sons/daughters, because they participate in/commit her sins, but she has to die, because she "sleeps" with the evil one(the "beast"), and is not faithful to the true One, and turns her followers/worshipers/clerics into fornicators/harlots - her fornication is the worst one, namely the spiritual/occult one, mainly in the form of transcendental "masturbation" in and (transcendental) "adultery" through the sixth chakra a.k.a. the third eye, which is why the number of the beast is six hundred threescore and six, occultism/esoterism and the idolatrous/heretical spirituality/religiosity in general is the spiritual/religious system of the "beast", the evil one, because it is based on egoism/unrighteousness and lawlessness/wickedness, and she uses the mercy and the patience of the true Saints only to continue committing her great "fornication" on an universal scale, because she brings all kinds of defilements/evils to the world...

yes, her followers/worshipers/clerics bring all kinds of evils to the world while practicing her precious esoteric/religious teachings, maybe many/most of them don't know what they actually do while practicing her precious esoteric/religious teachings, but thus they cause there to be all kinds of pandemics in the world, such as those of homosexuality, psychoses, autism, bulimia, infectious and degenerative diseases, poverty, avarice, aggression, exploitation, etc.

The four truths are: 1. life is dukkha (incapable of providing permanent satisfaction); 2. dukkha arises because of clinging and craving; 3. by stopping clinging & craving, dukkha ends, 4. describes the practice through which we can end that clinging & craving (the eightfold path).

these four doctrines are not true, though they verge on the truth, because the cause of all evils/iniquities is spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness committed by humans, namely the system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity is the source of all evil things, from this perspective it is the cause of all (other) causes, i.e. the evil of all (other )evils, and the iniquity of all (other) iniquities, so the same system comes to claim that there is suffering, pain and unsatisfactoriness in life, because (can you understand) life is ostensibly/supposedly incapable of providing permanent satisfaction when really life comes from the true Lord God, and from this perspective life is He Himself, but she actually lies to humankind or at least thus tries to make out that He is ostensibly not capable of providing them with abundant and everlasting life when in actual fact she herself is the cause/source of all evils and lack of life's provision, so on the one hand she brings all kinds of evil/afflictions to the world and causes humans to be affected by/to suffer from all kinds of evil, and on the other hand she lies to them that the cause of their sufferings and unsatisfactoriness is ostensibly not her activity but something else such as life itself, God Himself, some "sin" of unclear origin, etc., which is why it is written in the Bible that her wickedness is double:

Revelation 17:4-13 "I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men."

unfortunately, all kinds of things are possible through sorcery except bringing perfect love/righteousness to humans' hearts

Revelation 18:21-24 "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

yes, the system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity has been the cause/source of all defilements, distortions, deteriorations, afflictions and sufferings since the day of the Fall

It results in immediate fruits, the decrease of dukkha - and that is valuable, whether or not there are future results.

this effect is also due to sorcery, i know this effect even from experience, because i was a religious seeker and a guest in indic religions/sects many years ago, albeit for a while - unfortunately, all kinds of heavenly "stars"(different heavenly spirits, such as: spirit of bliss, spirit of peace, spirit of grace, spirit of elevation, spirit of light, spirit of glory, spirit of wisdom, spirit of power, etc.) could be drawn in the process of yoga(dhyana/jhana, jnana, bhakti, karma, vibhuti, etc.) except perfect love for the neighbor/townsman/cohabitant and the true Lord God

Revelation 12:3-4 "there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:"

The difference is, I can observe the hurricane, so I would prepare for it. I cannot observe the dogmatic claims of your scriptures.

yes, you can observe a hurricane and prepare for it, but you don't observe the things of the true God?!?!

Matthew 16:1-4 "The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed."

So, encourage others to be faithful to Zoroastrianism, right? You have not shown me a verifiable reason to favor your religion over any other faith-based religion.

who talks about zoroastrianism here?!, i talk about practicing faith in the One Who is really the true Lord God properly, not about worshiping ahura mazda - either believe in the true One or not, it depends also on you, i can't remember and don't know there have ever been anyone coming from the Kingdom of the true God to force any human being to practice faith, if you don't believe in the true One, in any case there will come many others that will believe in Him - many children are born every year, and they grow up into adults after 18-20 years, so be sure there will be many to believe in Him

I do not understand your question here.

i also do not understand how you cannot understand such simple things

I neither reject Jesus nor accept him ... I'm agnostic, open to testing your claims.

you are really strange... like many others... but i cannot say it is healthy for humans

Blessings

 

[ananda]

Revelation 17:3-6 "I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration."

the only reason this noble/precious system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity still exists is the mercy and the patience of the true Saints, not because they participate in her sins - they don't do it, but because in principle they prefer saving even the people that are her followers/worshipers/clerics to destroying them - and they(her followers/worshipers/clerics) have to repent of being her sons/daughters, because they participate in/commit her sins, but she has to die, because she "sleeps" with the evil one(the "beast"), and is not faithful to the true One, and turns her followers/worshipers/clerics into fornicators/harlots - her fornication is the worst one, namely the spiritual/occult one, mainly in the form of transcendental "masturbation" in and (transcendental) "adultery" through the sixth chakra a.k.a. the third eye, which is why the number of the beast is six hundred threescore and six, occultism/esoterism and the idolatrous/heretical spirituality/religiosity in general is the spiritual/religious system of the "beast", the evil one, because it is based on egoism/unrighteousness and lawlessness/wickedness, and she uses the mercy and the patience of the true Saints only to continue committing her great "fornication" on an universal scale, because she brings all kinds of defilements/evils to the world...

yes, her followers/worshipers/clerics bring all kinds of evils to the world while practicing her precious esoteric/religious teachings, maybe many/most of them don't know what they actually do while practicing her precious esoteric/religious teachings, but thus they cause there to be all kinds of pandemics in the world, such as those of homosexuality, psychoses, autism, bulimia, infectious and degenerative diseases, poverty, avarice, aggression, exploitation, etc.

these four doctrines are not true, though they verge on the truth, because the cause of all evils/iniquities is spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness committed by humans, namely the system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity is the source of all evil things, from this perspective it is the cause of all (other) causes, i.e. the evil of all (other )evils, and the iniquity of all (other) iniquities, so the same system comes to claim that there is suffering, pain and unsatisfactoriness in life, because (can you understand) life is ostensibly/supposedly incapable of providing permanent satisfaction when really life comes from the true Lord God, and from this perspective life is He Himself, but she actually lies to humankind or at least thus tries to make out that He is ostensibly not capable of providing them with abundant and everlasting life when in actual fact she herself is the cause/source of all evils and lack of life's provision, so on the one hand she brings all kinds of evil/afflictions to the world and causes humans to be affected by/to suffer from all kinds of evil, and on the other hand she lies to them that the cause of their sufferings and unsatisfactoriness is ostensibly not her activity but something else such as life itself, God Himself, some "sin" of unclear origin, etc., which is why it is written in the Bible that her wickedness is double:

Revelation 17:4-13 "I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men."

unfortunately, all kinds of things are possible through sorcery except bringing perfect love/righteousness to humans' hearts

Revelation 18:21-24 "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

yes, the system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity has been the cause/source of all defilements, distortions, deteriorations, afflictions and sufferings since the day of the Fall

this effect is also due to sorcery, i know this effect even from experience, because i was a religious seeker and a guest in indic religions/sects many years ago, albeit for a while - unfortunately, all kinds of heavenly "stars"(different heavenly spirits, such as: spirit of bliss, spirit of peace, spirit of grace, spirit of elevation, spirit of light, spirit of glory, spirit of wisdom, spirit of power, etc.) could be drawn in the process of yoga(dhyana/jhana, jnana, bhakti, karma, vibhuti, etc.) except perfect love for the neighbor/townsman/cohabitant and the true Lord God

Revelation 12:3-4 "there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:"

Thanks for sharing your dogma. As I've stated, unfortunately I cannot verify any of it for myself.

yes, you can observe a hurricane and prepare for it, but you don't observe the things of the true God?!?!

No, I'm not asking to observe "things of the true God". I'm asking about observing God itself.

What are the "things of the true God"? Things like Love? Bliss? Peace? Health? In those things, I see love, bliss, peace, and health. I do not see why they need to be (or how they can be) connected to any specific individual, like Krishna, Jesus, Ishtar, Mohammed, etc. except by conjecture and interpretation.

who talks about zoroastrianism here?!, i talk about practicing faith in the One Who is really the true Lord God properly, not about worshiping ahura mazda - either believe in the true One or not, it depends also on you, i can't remember and don't know there have ever been anyone coming from the Kingdom of the true God to force any human being to practice faith, if you don't believe in the true One, in any case there will come many others that will believe in Him - many children are born every year, and they grow up into adults after 18-20 years, so be sure there will be many to believe in Him

Your dogmatic claims about faith in salvation for the next/future eternity can easily apply to Zoroastrianism or any other faith-based religions.

i also do not understand how you cannot understand such simple things

I didn't understand what you meant by "good for us, evil for you".

you are really strange... like many others... but i cannot say it is healthy for humans

Blessings

Is it strange to request deliverance from a prophet "of the true God"? If you claim that I associate with devilish spirits, you can surely cast them out? As your scripture claims: "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils ..." Mk 16:17 - assuming this is your scripture & belief? I am quite open to observing the results, with an open mind.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I see little to no value in theistic religion. What little good can be derived from them is not exclusive to their world views, and the rest tends to be detrimental instead of positive.

Case in point: Islam. To believe that a single book that was written in late Antiquity contains all the answers you'll ever need is literally preventing any sort of progress or new insight. There was a golden age when Islam was more progressive than Christianity, yes, but that period is maligned as a deviation from the One True Path by salafists/Wahhabi.
As a result, you see contemporary muslims repeating that salt water and sweet water do not mix, that one wing of a fly contains poison while the other contains healing, etc.
Their clocks have stopped ticking in the 7th century CE, and their world view with them.

Even worse, it is a religion that micro-manages every minute of one's waking life, from how to lie in bed over how to wipe one's nose to how to use the toilet. Believers are literally encouraged to turn themselves into an approximation of their venerated founder, replicating his idiosyncratic behaviours and habits.

And while Muhammad was more or less a progressive in his day and age, he's been long since surpassed by others, making his stance on women's rights and gender roles a reactionary anachronism that forces people into very narrowly defined patterns.

The search for new insights and a proper understanding can never proceed from a position of deliberate ignorance, but that's exactly what you get once you assume that all the answers are already there, must not be doubted and hold the key to being rewarded by some celestial potentate.

 

[LordDuncanBurneWilke]

Christians on this thread provide poor arguments in trying to convince our Buddhist friend. Quoting scripture and calling people fools isn't the way to do it.

 

[CherubRam]

Christians on this thread provide poor arguments in trying to convince our Buddhist friend. Quoting scripture and calling people fools isn't the way to do it.

Did Buddha say people could find eternal life if they followed?

 

[ananda]

Did Buddha say people could find eternal life if they followed?

No, but he asked the question "why do many people desire eternal life?", which he answered to my satisfaction.

(Hint: the answer is "because of dukkha". Most people can't suffer the thought of not existing, so they imagine and hope for eternal existence. Buddha, instead of addressing eternal existence, rightfully focused on the "suffer" part.)

The same answer goes for those people who can't suffer the thought of eternally existing. It's the suffering part that is at the root of both issues.

 

[LordDuncanBurneWilke]

Did Buddha say people could find eternal life if they followed?

Depends on the Buddha. Which one do you speak of?