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Hebrews 6:4-8 is talking about unsaved people who were enlightened about the truth and then chose to fall away by rejecting the gospel. They were never saved in the first place.
Actually that is not true at all. Hebrews 6:4-8 is talking about saved people who departed the faith to return to a life of known unrepentant sin and became unsaved people. If you disagree your welcome to show me from the scriptures how Hebrews 6:4-8 is talking about people that were never saved in the first place like you are claiming here. Your making that part up.
 
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Actually that is not true at all. Hebrews 6:4-8 is talking about saved people who departed the faith to return to a life of known unrepentant sin and became unsaved people. If you disagree your welcome to show me from the scriptures how Hebrews 6:4-8 is talking about people that were never saved in the first place like you are claiming here. Your making that part up.
Because they "tasted" the heavenly gift meaning that they didn't fully receive it.
 
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Because they "tasted" the heavenly gift meaning that they didn't fully receive it.

hmmm nope...

Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Thayer - G1089
Hebrews 6:4 "tasted" G1089 — γεύω to taste, i. e. perceive the flavor of, partake of, enjoy

The Greek Word used in Hebrews 6:4 means to partake of. That is they were partaking of the heavenly gift and made partakers of the holy ghost.

They fell away from being saved. Kind of does not match up with what your suggesting now does it.

Take Care.
 
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hmmm nope...

Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Thayer - G1089
Hebrews 6:4 "tasted" G1089 — γεύω to taste, i. e. perceive the flavor of, partake of, enjoy

The Greek Word used in Hebrews 6:4 means to partake of. That is they were partaking of the heavenly gift and made partakers of the holy ghost.

They feel away from being saved. Kind of does not match up with what your suggesting now does it.

Take Care.
Why couldn't an unsaved person be a partaker of the Holy Ghost?
 
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I have no idea what the answer to this issue is, or even whether there is one.

Take care.
The answer and safety here is in Gods' Word. All of God's promises are "conditional" on believing and following what God's Word says.

God bless
 
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God's salvation is conditional on believing and following what Gods' Word says to the end (present tense) *see John 3:31; James 1:12; Matthew 10:22.
OK, let's examine what the Bible says about the present tense.

John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes (present tense) him who sent me has (present tense) eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

So, Jesus made the point that believers POSSESS eternal life. This means that they POSSESS eternal life WHEN they believe, or to be even more clear, the MOMENT they believe, and therefore, becomes believers, they POSSESS eternal life.

Then, Jesus said this:

John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

We know from Jn 5:24 that it is believers who POSSESS eternal life. So this verse tells us who gives the gift of eternal life; Jesus Christ Himself.

Then, Jesus tells us the result of being given eternal life: they shall never perish.

So, how can the notion that eternal life can be lost, forfeited, given away, removed, etc, since Jesus was clear that those GIVEN eternal life shall never perish?

The answer is clear. It cannot.

So, OGNP. Once given, never perish. Or OSAS.
 
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Because they "tasted" the heavenly gift meaning that they didn't fully receive it.
This is an error. The very same word is used in Heb 2:9 - But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

Jesus didn't "taste death for everyone" like someone might "taste" an ice cream cone by licking it a bit. That nonsense came from MacArthur, no less.

Jesus paid the sin debt for everyone. Heb 6:4-6 described believers, and warns that if they return to the law and animal sacrifices, they won't repent (change their minds). They have already changed their minds by returning to animal sacrifices.
 
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The Greek Word used in Hebrews 6:4 means to partake of. That is they were partaking of the heavenly gift and made partakers of the holy ghost.

They fell away from being saved. Kind of does not match up with what your suggesting now does it.
Could you quote the exact words that say they fell away from being saved?

Or are you just assuming that's what "falling away" means?
 
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The answer and safety here is in Gods' Word. All of God's promises are "conditional" on believing and following what God's Word says.
You have never proven this from the Bible.
 
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This is an error. The very same word is used in Heb 2:9 - But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

Jesus didn't "taste death for everyone" like someone might "taste" an ice cream cone by licking it a bit. That nonsense came from MacArthur, no less.

Jesus paid the sin debt for everyone. Heb 6:4-6 described believers, and warns that if they return to the law and animal sacrifices, they won't repent (change their minds). They have already changed their minds by returning to animal sacrifices.
The word "tasted" can be used in different ways depending on the context. If a believer can never lose their salvation, then how is Hebrews 6 describing believers if it describes people who "fall away"? Fall away from what? From tasting the heavenly gift, from being enlightened, from being a partaker of the Holy Ghost, etc. You can't fall away from being saved or from having the heavenly gift one you have it.
 
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Hebrews 6 like all scripture, are verses of the hope that is in Christ, and part of that hope is loosing hope in this world, this life, and the devils deceit, which is pride, selfishness, coveting, strife, debate, hatred, and it is achieved by believing in Christ being the least ( on this earth) to join with Him to be the most, if God wills.

Why else are many on the wide path to destruction, unless it is a comfortable easy way, that appeals to their pride, vanity, and deceitful working.
 
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The word "tasted" can be used in different ways depending on the context.
No, the context doesn't change the meaning of a word. The word in Heb 6 is the EXACT same word used in Heb 2:9. Heb 6 describes those who HAVE BELIEVED and ARE saved.

If a believer can never lose their salvation, then how is Hebrews 6 describing believers if it describes people who "fall away"?
I have explained that passage. Go back and read it and if you have questions, I will be happy to answer them.

Fall away from what?
From God's blessings. Read Heb 12 to see the "other side of the coin".

From tasting the heavenly gift, from being enlightened, from being a partaker of the Holy Ghost, etc. You can't fall away from being saved or from having the heavenly gift one you have it.
Wrong.

If you believe that salvation can be lost, then what Jesus said in both John 5:24 and 10:28 CANNOT BE TRUE. Why would anyone take that view?
 
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No, the context doesn't change the meaning of a word. The word in Heb 6 is the EXACT same word used in Heb 2:9. Heb 6 describes those who HAVE BELIEVED and ARE saved.


I have explained that passage. Go back and read it and if you have questions, I will be happy to answer them.


From God's blessings. Read Heb 12 to see the "other side of the coin".


Wrong.

If you believe that salvation can be lost, then what Jesus said in both John 5:24 and 10:28 CANNOT BE TRUE. Why would anyone take that view?
If you read the context of that Hebrews 6 passage, it describes people who fall away from "tasting the heavenly gift" and being partaker of the Holy Ghost. But they didn't lose their salvation because they were never saved in the first place. To me this is so clear that I don't even understand how people could have a different interpretation. Where did it say that they fall away from "God's blessings"?
 
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If you read the context of that Hebrews 6 passage, it describes people who fall away from "tasting the heavenly gift" and being partaker of the Holy Ghost. But they didn't lose their salvation because they were never saved in the first place. To me this is so clear that I don't even understand how people could have a different interpretation. Where did it say that they fall away from "God's blessings"?
Hebrews 6 says that they were saved and had God's Spirit. No one receives Gods' Spirit unless they have been born again to believe and obey Gods' Word according to Acts of the Apostles 5:32. If they were not a part of the faith they could not leave the Faith. No one can leave something they were never a part of.

Take care.
 
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No, the context doesn't change the meaning of a word. The word in Heb 6 is the EXACT same word used in Heb 2:9. Heb 6 describes those who HAVE BELIEVED and ARE saved.


I have explained that passage. Go back and read it and if you have questions, I will be happy to answer them.


From God's blessings. Read Heb 12 to see the "other side of the coin".


Wrong.

If you believe that salvation can be lost, then what Jesus said in both John 5:24 and 10:28 CANNOT BE TRUE. Why would anyone take that view?

I do not see you have explained that passage anywhere in this entire thread. You get provided scripture and simply provide a an opinion unsupported by scripture and state what the scriptures say verbatim is not really saying what it says. For me only God's Word us true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Our opinions do not really matter much.
 
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Man has to lose pride to not lose life, as it is the pride of life.

Man also then has to lose his life to find it again.



1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.


Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
 
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Man has to lose pride to not lose life, as it is the pride of life.

Man also then has to lose his life to find it again.



1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.


Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Indeed thank you for sharing
 
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