Why on earth does DHS need over 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition?

[seeking Christ]

Looks like the invasion of Iran is on.

These are all purchases by the Dep't of Homeland Security - correct?

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

These are all purchases by the Dep't of Homeland Security - correct?

LOL. No. The Social Security Administration.

 

[Merope]

Why on earth does DHS need over 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition?

Who cares? According to the NRA it is none of your business how much ammo someone needs so go away.

 

[seeking Christ]

LOL. No. The Social Security Administration.

Ah, so those old timers are getting cranky again ...

 

[Lilly Owl]

The number of bullets purchased by the DHS now adds up to a staggering 1.4 billion over the last six months alone. Although all those bullets won’t be delivered at once, the DHS’ commitment to purchasing such an arsenal of ammo is both worrying and ironic given that Americans are being harassed and treated with suspicion for buying a couple of boxes of ammo at their local gun store.
» DHS Purchases 200 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Seriously, as much as I don't care for infowars as a source, this tidbit of information is rather troubling.

Well I agree about the source. But going with with what we have, I think calculating the millions of citizens that live in the U.S., then adding the populations at border crossings, which means Canada and central and south America, it probably makes sense.

:o So too does buying AR-15's if we have the extra cash laying around, when we're one in that number of millions who are already out gunned by the Administrative branch in this country alone.

 

[seeking Christ]

Lilly, could you describe that "Administrative branch" for us? Is that the 4th branch of Gov't I never heard of?

 

[GarfieldJL]

Who cares? According to the NRA it is none of your business how much ammo someone needs so go away.

It does when that group is trying to take away our 2nd amendment rights and DELIBERATELY gave a couple thousand firearms to Mexican Drug Cartels along with hundreds of hand grenades for good measure...

 

[MachZer0]

It does when that group is trying to take away our 2nd amendment rights and DELIBERATELY gave a couple thousand firearms to Mexican Drug Cartels along with hundreds of hand grenades for good measure...

Maybe you've unwittingly answered the question as to why they need the ammo. They supplied the weapons to the drug cartels, but the cartels obviously are running out of ammo

 

[kenvin]

Ok reading the bid proposal on a page 1 I see there is no guarantee of any amount other than a min of 1000 rounds per year for 5 years with a maximum of 70 million rounds over 5 years. Says it right on page one of the bid proposal.

The bid is for the training center and specifically says no firm number can be determined until number students is determined.

As it states the max award can be 70 million rounds billions is a conspiracy of epic proportions. No wonder not even Drudge ran this supposed story. Alex Jones is a crook who lies.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Ok reading the bid proposal on a page 1 I see there is no guarantee of any amount other than a min of 1000 rounds per year for 5 years with a maximum of 70 million rounds over 5 years. Says it right on page one of the bid proposal.

The bid is for the training center and specifically says no firm number can be determined until number students is determined.

As it states the max award can be 70 million rounds billions is a conspiracy of epic proportions. No wonder not even Drudge ran this supposed story. Alex Jones is a crook who lies.

How about you try using common sense, cause page 1 isn't giving accurate information (which is obvious)
120,000 Federal Agents and a minimum of 1,000 rounds per year? That's 1 bullet for every 120 agents, something tells me that's a bit low.

 

[Lilly Owl]

Lilly, could you describe that "Administrative branch" for us? Is that the 4th branch of Gov't I never heard of?

It's a play on words for the Executive Branch actually. It sounds more direct given the definition for Administrative. While executive branch gives visuals of water cooler gossip, big wigs in offices, and employees bantering back and forth between shifts after working in cubicles. Much less intimidating and seemingly benign than the real word real word where we can be mowed down like grain, or cooked where we stand, what with the weapons at their disposal in the 'executive branch'. Oops, did I say that?:o

 

[kenvin]

How about you try using common sense, cause page 1 isn't giving accurate information (which is obvious)
120,000 Federal Agents and a minimum of 1,000 rounds per year? That's 1 bullet for every 120 agents, something tells me that's a bit low.

Well a maximum of 70 million is a lot

 

[GarfieldJL]

Well a maximum of 70 million is a lot

Now you're just stretching in a desperate attempt to prove your point when it has been disproven...

 

[kenvin]

Now you're just stretching in a desperate attempt to prove your point when it has been disproven...

Just read the link it says a maximum of 70 million rounds over 5 years.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Just read the link it says a maximum of 70 million rounds over 5 years.

kenvin, there were multiple orders for ammunition, as people have already pointed out, there was another order for 750 million flying around, and another for 450 million...

 

[Veritas]

Probably because they are forming a para-military organization with which to eradicate political enemies. The gov knows how well armed the citizenry are and they won't go down without a fight. They are preparing.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Another possible theory that hasn't been discussed yet...

What if the government was taking steps in order to actually control the ammo market and try to establish a monopoly on the ammo sales industry for purposes of control and regulation?
(similar to some European countries).

I know in some countries in Europe, you can't go to a gun store and buy ammo, you have to fill out a request and purchase it from the government or buy it at a government sponsored range and use what you buy while you're there.

If they're buying this stuff up in mass quantities at 40% under current market value (the example of buying .40s&w for 20 cents per round), they could turn around and sell it to the citizens (at their discretion) at 70 cents per round, and if it were a government controlled industry, not much we'd be able to do about it.

Sort of a power and cash grab...just a possible theory.

What made me think of it is if you look at the gun owner count in the united states and compare that to how many rounds DHS is buying up, that would work out to be around 10 rounds per gun owner (right around that magic number that they claim is an "acceptable" number of rounds for civilians to have) so if they're plan was to become the only supplier of ammo for gun owners, that would be a big enough supply that they could sell every gun owner 10 rounds.

 

[seeking Christ]

If they're buying this stuff up in mass quantities at 40% under current market value (the example of buying .40s&w for 20 cents per round), they could turn around and sell it to the citizens (at their discretion) at 70 cents per round, and if it were a government controlled industry, not much we'd be able to do about it.

Sort of a power and cash grab...just a possible theory.

At first I thought you were just going for the idea that first came to my mind when I saw the thread, that they're just keeping ammo out of our hands. Now you're talking about an actual communistic takeover, at least of one industry sector?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

At first I thought you were just going for the idea that first came to my mind when I saw the thread, that they're just keeping ammo out of our hands. Now you're talking about an actual communistic takeover, at least of one industry sector?

Not neccessarily a communistic takeover...although some might call it that.

Just simply using it as a means of regulation...for example, like they do with drivers licenses or the post office. You can't go to a variety of certification agencies and shop around on the best price for a driver's license and if you want to buy stamps, you can't buy a brand other than the USPS stamps. (it's essentially a monopoly the government has that allows them to regulate an entire aspect, and make a little profit off of it)

I'm thinking that the DHS might want to do the same thing with ammunition. The current administration wants to put limitations on quanities to begin with, if they do a takeover on that particular market, it gives them the regulatory power they've been after, plus gives them a potential revenue stream.

I think they've already realized that regulating the guns is a dead end for them, however, if they use their money and preferential buying power for ammunition, they can put themselves in a position where if you want ammo, you have to play their game....since without ammunition, those rifles at home become nothing more than expensive, fancy baseball bats.

 

[Lilly Owl]

Sounds like a plausible theory actually. If other countries are resorting to that method, our government would know and quite possibly think it's a good idea.
What with the leak of Obama's memo on another thread, blocking of free speech and arrests pertaining to certain Federal area's,etc... that's all coming to light now it seems like there's an expansion of Federalist powers multiplying at such a rapid rate that once the hammer comes down the powers that be will need everything in place so as to preclude an uprising. Or a rebellion against the final straw.

Interesting times.

Another possible theory that hasn't been discussed yet...

What if the government was taking steps in order to actually control the ammo market and try to establish a monopoly on the ammo sales industry for purposes of control and regulation?
(similar to some European countries).

I know in some countries in Europe, you can't go to a gun store and buy ammo, you have to fill out a request and purchase it from the government or buy it at a government sponsored range and use what you buy while you're there.

If they're buying this stuff up in mass quantities at 40% under current market value (the example of buying .40s&w for 20 cents per round), they could turn around and sell it to the citizens (at their discretion) at 70 cents per round, and if it were a government controlled industry, not much we'd be able to do about it.

Sort of a power and cash grab...just a possible theory.

What made me think of it is if you look at the gun owner count in the united states and compare that to how many rounds DHS is buying up, that would work out to be around 10 rounds per gun owner (right around that magic number that they claim is an "acceptable" number of rounds for civilians to have) so if they're plan was to become the only supplier of ammo for gun owners, that would be a big enough supply that they could sell every gun owner 10 rounds.