Why Old Earth creationism doesn't work

[SoldierOfTheKing]

A critically important theological reason that we cannot add long ages of time before Adam is that it would mean millions of years of animal death, disease, carnivorous behavior, and extinction .... according to scripture death did not enter the world until sin did.

Spiritual death entered the world when sin did (Romans 8:6). Animal death is not spiritual death.
Adam and Eve were warned that when they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge they would surely die. They lived on earth for quite some time afterward, yet their death was instantaneous…

 

[friend of]

They lived on earth for quite some time afterward, yet their death was instantaneous…

In a sense, the loss of communion with God due to sin was a type of spiritual death, I believe.

 

[truthpls]

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭1:4‭-‬5‬ ‭ESV‬‬
[4] As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. [5] And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,
[7] Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the sole of a calf’s foot. And they sparkled like burnished bronze.
[13] As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches moving to and fro among the living creatures. And the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. [14] And the living creatures darted to and fro, like the appearance of a flash of lightning.

‭‭Psalm‬ ‭104:4‬ ‭ESV‬‬
[4] he makes his messengers winds, his ministers a flaming fire.

The Stones of Fire in Ezekiel 28 - Dr. Michael Heiser

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Nice try, but they are not described as stones.

It's language used to also describe qualities of God's holy mountain, the place of Eden.

No mountain mentioned there either.

And Eden was at the conjunction of heaven and earth.

The garden was on earth actually and for man.

It was in both places. Where the two meet. Hence why there is confusion.

There was no verse given that suggested any such thing.

 

[d taylor]

No such thing as original earth created before earth.

The earth in Genesis 1:1 was created and it did not take 6 days. God spoke and His creation was, this earth was the home to the angelic host. He. God created after He created the heavens and earth in Genesis 1:1. Satan sinned and God judged the earth, flooded the earth with water and darkness.

What is seen in Genesis 1:2 to end of Genesis chapter 1 is the restoration of the earth created in Genesis 1:1, but this time the earth will be home to humans and not angels. So there is seen a different type of garden one of plants, trees, etc..

 

[truthpls]

The earth in Genesis 1:1 was created and it did not take 6 days.

No it was day one. Looking at the recap of what was done in the next chapter we see it was all finished.
Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

God spoke and His creation was, this earth was the home to the angelic host.

That is made up. God's home was and is not on earth. The angels also. Even the prince of the power of the air. In fact God put man in charge of all that was on earth! Your claim that their were a host of angels inhabiting the planet does not fit

He. God created after He created the heavens and earth in Genesis 1:1. Satan sinned and God judged the earth, flooded the earth with water and darkness.

So now you have God creating all the angels on earth? That leaves Adam as sort of an afterthought rather than what the world was made for. It also means that you are dismissing the mornings and evenings and days totally. You can't do that. Evolution says animals were here long before man. The bible says all the animal kinds were brought before Adam to be named. Not only that but Adam named all the animals before ever there was a woman on earth! That means days were days. It is not conceivable that a solitary man on earth was created by God and sat around for millions of years waiting for animals to evolve into existence so he could finally name them all before getting married.
Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
Man was created in that time as well. You can't try to make one day millions of years. You either believe the bible, or not.

What is seen in Genesis 1:2 to end of Genesis chapter 1 is the restoration of the earth created in Genesis 1:1,

No. What is seen is that in that little period of six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and animals and man etc. There is no way you can grab any day in that week and stretch it out to fit other theories.

but this time the earth will be home to humans and not angels. So there is seen a different type of garden one of plants, trees, etc..

The angels dwell with God actually. Gabriel for example, who is near the throne of God.

In the garden of Eden on earth there is no mention of even one of these gems.

Ezekiel 28:13
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Yet in the place Jesus went to prepare for us many of those same gems are mentioned. That place is New Jerusalem in Heaven. So the Eden in heaven (at the time still before New Jerusalem was made) fits heaven perfectly, and does not fit earth at all since none of the gems are mentioned for earth Eden. I like that, it has a nice ring to it "Earth Eden"

Notice that the garden was not planted on the same day the earth and heaven were created. Those were for us to live in. The garden was planted days later. If you claim Satan was created in that garden, it places the time as the same time man was created within a day or two! So much for claims of some former inhabitants!

 

[Job 33:6]

Nice try, but they are not described as stones.

No mountain mentioned there either.

The garden was on earth actually and for man.

There was no verse given that suggested any such thing.

If you aren't aware that Eden is on a mountain, then I guess you haven't read the Bible.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭28:13‭-‬14‬ ‭ESV‬‬
[13] You were in Eden, the garden of God; [14] You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.

There are no "multiple" Eden's. There is simply, Eden. The one and only garden of God upon His holy mountain.

"As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire,"

Coals of fire are stones of fire. That's what coals are. Ezekiel uses this language consistently to describe holy qualities of the garden and cherubim with language related to fire, stones, coals, gems, rivers etc.


That's another reason we know that Ezekiel is describing the same garden of Eden as Genesis. It has many parallels. Ezekiel mentions the holy spirit, the flowing rivers, trees. That's why so many church fathers interpreted chapter 28 to be about Adam in the garden, or Satan in the garden. Because there is only 1 Eden.

 

[Job 33:6]

Proof?

: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (eze 28)

Eden was on earth and not the holy mountain of God. Looking at the definition of stones in Hebrew there is nothing about angels or cherubim.

Also, the holy mountain of God is on earth. It's often called Mt Zion or Mt tsaphon, which are mountains located around ancient Isreal. It's a mountain after all. We aren't talking about a mountain floating around in outer space. Mountains are made out of earth.

 

[truthpls]

If you aren't aware that Eden is on a mountain, then I guess you haven't read the Bible.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭28:13‭-‬14‬ ‭ESV‬‬
[13] You were in Eden, the garden of God; [14] You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.

That depends on what Eden you are talking about. Earth Eden or Eden, the garden of God.

There are no "multiple" Eden's. There is simply, Eden. The one and only garden of God upon His holy mountain.

Says who? Are there multiple Jerusalem's? Did you think that New Jerusalem was on earth? Show us one verse in Gen 1 or two that even mentions a mountain in connection with Jerusalem?

"As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire,"

Coals of fire are stones of fire.

Angels appearing in Ezekiel's day glowed inn other words. That doesn't mean they were rocks.

That's another reason we know that Ezekiel is describing the same garden of Eden as Genesis. It has many parallels.

No, glowing angels were not rocks, so that is not 'another' reason at all.

 

[truthpls]

Also, the holy mountain of God is on earth. It's often called Mt Zion or Mt tsaphon, which are mountains located around ancient Isreal.

Yes, I know that Jerusalem is also called the holy mountain. That does not mean there is also not a mountain in heaven.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

There is no mountain on earth so high as to be able to see all the kingdoms of the world. One assumes that included future and past kingdoms. So that mountain was spiritual in nature.

It's a mountain after all. We aren't talking about a mountain floating around in outer space. Mountains are made out of earth.

Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

That was also a mountain. Yet since all mountains on earth were made low and shaken down by the time New Jerusalem descends this super high mountain was not on earth either. Remember John was carried away to heaven to see all these things.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

OE creationism doesn't work because if OE was in fact the case then you'd have to admit that the devil and his fallen angels and demons are all billions of years old.

Would God really allow his nemesis to live for billions of years? I don't think so.

And what would the devil have been doing for all those years? Tempting monkeys to sin? makes no sense!

I don't understand the argument that the Earth appears old.

1. How do you know what young and old Earth is supposed to look like?

2. Adam and Eve were created as adults, not babies. Imagine meeting adult Adam and Eve the day after they were created and you ask them how old they are and they say one day. No one would believe them, yet it would be true. So it can be with the Earth. It's not a problem for God to create an Earth that appears 'old'

 

[Danny&Annie&theChristmas]

Genesis describes a lot of things. Genesis describes the Earth as being formless. It doesn't specify how long the Earth was formless. It then describes the day being separated from the night. But there was no sun. For those and numerous other reasons based on the internal wording of Genesis Origen resolved in 220 AD that the creation account is not six literal days. That's one of the reasons why Christianity has never had a defined teaching on the age of the Earth.

The Bible says a day is as a thousand years.

 

[Aussie Pete]

OE creationism doesn't work because if OE was in fact the case then you'd have to admit that the devil and his fallen angels and demons are all billions of years old.

Would God really allow his nemesis to live for billions of years? I don't think so.

And what would the devil have been doing for all those years? Tempting monkeys to sin? makes no sense!

Not at all. No one knows the true age of the earth and it is highly unlikely that it is billions of years. Satan did not start out as God's nemesis. My theory is that Satan rebelled against God not long before the earth was restored to an inhabital state.

When did God create the angels? We do not know. Exactly when was the war in heaven when Satan and 1/3rd of the angels fell? We do not know. So no, I do not have to admit to the age of Satan. Old Earth and recreation of the earth destroyed is plausible and can be argued for from scripture. Is OE correct? For me, it explains a great deal that otherwise makes no sense. However, it is not spelt out in scripture. It is not an essential doctrine as far as salvation is concerned.

 

[Aussie Pete]

I don't understand the argument that the Earth appears old.

1. How do you know what young and old Earth is supposed to look like?

2. Adam and Eve were created as adults, not babies. Imagine meeting adult Adam and Eve the day after they were created and you ask them how old they are and they say one day. No one would believe them, yet it would be true. So it can be with the Earth. It's not a problem for God to create an Earth that appears 'old'

I recommend Watchman Nee, "The Mystery of Creation". It goes into the pre-Adamic creation theory and explains it well. I found it convincing.

 

[Job 33:6]

That depends on what Eden you are talking about. Earth Eden or Eden, the garden of God.

Says who? Are there multiple Jerusalem's? Did you think that New Jerusalem was on earth? Show us one verse in Gen 1 or two that even mentions a mountain in connection with Jerusalem?

Angels appearing in Ezekiel's day glowed inn other words. That doesn't mean they were rocks.

No, glowing angels were not rocks, so that is not 'another' reason at all.

It's just language describing a holy place. I don't know why you're having trouble with this. And the Bible never describes two Edens. Says who? Says the Bible. Eden, the garden of God is on earth. I don't know why you're distinguishing between the two. Adam and Eve were in Eden, the garden of God, and they were on earth too.

 

[Job 33:6]

Yes, I know that Jerusalem is also called the holy mountain. That does not mean there is also not a mountain in heaven.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

There is no mountain on earth so high as to be able to see all the kingdoms of the world. One assumes that included future and past kingdoms. So that mountain was spiritual in nature.


Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

That was also a mountain. Yet since all mountains on earth were made low and shaken down by the time New Jerusalem descends this super high mountain was not on earth either. Remember John was carried away to heaven to see all these things.

The Bible doesn't say that the mountain was spiritual in nature. It's just using hyperbolic language. It doesnt say that the devil took Jesus up into heaven or anything like that. Nobody is talking about Jerusalem, we're talking about Eden.

 

[Job 33:6]

Yes, I know that Jerusalem is also called the holy mountain. That does not mean there is also not a mountain in heaven.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

There is no mountain on earth so high as to be able to see all the kingdoms of the world. One assumes that included future and past kingdoms. So that mountain was spiritual in nature.


Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

That was also a mountain. Yet since all mountains on earth were made low and shaken down by the time New Jerusalem descends this super high mountain was not on earth either. Remember John was carried away to heaven to see all these things.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[4] As I looked, behold, a storm wind was coming from the north, a great cloud with fire flashing forth continually and a bright light around it, and in its midst something like glowing metal in the midst of the fire.
[7] Their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf’s hoof, and they gleamed like burnished bronze.
[13] In the midst of the living beings there was something that looked like burning coals of fire, like torches darting back and forth among the living beings. The fire was bright, and lightning was flashing from the fire.
[16] The appearance of the wheels and their workmanship was like sparkling beryl, and all four of them had the same form, their appearance and workmanship being as if one wheel were within another.
[22] Now over the heads of the living beings there was something like an expanse, like the awesome gleam of crystal, spread out over their heads.
[26] Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. [27] Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. [28] As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭10:1‭-‬2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[1] Then I looked, and behold, in the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim something like a sapphire stone, in appearance resembling a throne, appeared above them. [2] And He spoke to the man clothed in linen and said, “Enter between the whirling wheels under the cherubim and fill your hands with coals of fire from between the cherubim and scatter them over the city.” And he entered in my sight.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭28:13‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[13] You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭28:16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[16] By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.


‭‭Psalms‬ ‭104:4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[4] He makes the winds His messengers, Flaming fire His ministers.


Here's another section:

So Moses climbs an earthly mountain to reach the place in which he gets the 10 commandments, then Moses walks down the mountain and says the following:

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:22‭-‬27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[22] “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud and of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me. [23] And when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders. [24] You said, ‘Behold, the Lord our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire; we have seen today that God speaks with man, yet he lives. [25] Now then why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer, then we will die. [26] For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? [27] Go near and hear all that the Lord our God says; then speak to us all that the Lord our God speaks to you, and we will hear and do it.’
[29] Oh that they had such a heart in them, that they would fear Me and keep all My commandments always, that it may be well with them and with their sons forever! [30] Go, say to them, “Return to your tents.” [31] But as for you, stand here by Me, that I may speak to you all the commandments and the statutes and the judgments which you shall teach them, that they may observe them in the land which I give them to possess.’
[33] You shall walk in all the way which the Lord your God has commanded you, that you may live and that it may be well with you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which you will possess.

And before Moses gets up the mountain it says:
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[10] and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself.

Pavement of sapphire.


All this brightness, crystals and stones, fires etc.

All it's doing is describing God's holy place and the holy cherubim, the garden of Eden which is atop holy Mt Sinai/Zion/tsaphon depending on what chapter of the Bible. And Eden is atop that mountain.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭28:13‭-‬14‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[13] You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. [14] You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.

That's all there is to it.

No reason to Invent a second Eden when the Bible gives no indication that there is more than one. Eden is Holy Space. When Moses goes up the holy mountain of fire and sees brilliant crystal like lapiz lazuli, Moses is not time traveling to some prophetic futuristic place. He's simply going up, essentially to God's holy space, that is Eden, to receive the 10 commandments.

 

[truthpls]

It's just language describing a holy place. I don't know why you're having trouble with this. And the Bible never describes two Edens. Says who? Says the Bible. Eden, the garden of God is on earth. I don't know why you're distinguishing between the two. Adam and Eve were in Eden, the garden of God, and they were on earth too.

There was no carbuncles and gems mentioned in Eden in Genesis. Nor a high mountain. Nor was Satan 'cast down' from the earth Eden, which already was down on earth! I suppose some people could try to say there are not two Jerusalems. However in the descriptions of ech Jerusalem in the bible, it is clear that there are. I guess we could say there are also two Sodoms! Jerusalem on earth is also called Sodom. Come to think of it there are also two earths! The new earth and this one! Heaven? Well there are three of those!
Since the description and timing of Satan in the garden of God does not fit with earth Eden, what should that tell us?

 

[truthpls]

The Bible doesn't say that the mountain was spiritual in nature. It's just using hyperbolic language. It doesnt say that the devil took Jesus up into heaven or anything like that. Nobody is talking about Jerusalem, we're talking about Eden.

The nature of Mount Everest on earth is not such that one can see all the kingdoms of the world from it. Also as was pointed out every mountain will be made low before that great day when New Jerusalem descends. IN fact the whole world will not be the same. There is no way some exceptionally high mountain will exist on earth for John to see anything from.
But I am starting to see a pattern here of not believing things from you. Are you an old earther as well?

 

[truthpls]

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[4] As I looked, behold, a storm wind was coming from the north, a great cloud with fire flashing forth continually and a bright light around it, and in its midst something like glowing metal in the midst of the fire.
[7] Their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf’s hoof, and they gleamed like burnished bronze.
[13] In the midst of the living beings there was something that looked like burning coals of fire, like torches darting back and forth among the living beings. The fire was bright, and lightning was flashing from the fire.
[16] The appearance of the wheels and their workmanship was like sparkling beryl, and all four of them had the same form, their appearance and workmanship being as if one wheel were within another.
[22] Now over the heads of the living beings there was something like an expanse, like the awesome gleam of crystal, spread out over their heads.

Glowing creatures coming from heaven. Nothing to do with the garden of Eden.

[26] Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. [27] Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. [28] As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

God on the throne. Again, nothing to do with Eden

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭28:13‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[13] You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.

So we already know precious stones are associated with heaven. The twelve precious stones of the wall of New Jerusalem for example. No such thing in the garden of Eden.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭28:16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[16] By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.

Wherever and whatever the stones of fire were, Satan was destroyed FROM there.
Eze 28: 16 ..I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:17
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground

‭‭Psalms‬ ‭104:4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[4] He makes the winds His messengers, Flaming fire His ministers.

Great, so if He sent a messenger to earth (as He did to guard the garden of Eden) they look like that.

Here's another section:

So Moses climbs an earthly mountain to reach the place in which he gets the 10 commandments, then Moses walks down the mountain and says the following:

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:22‭-‬27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
[22] “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud and of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me. [23] And when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders. [24] You said, ‘Behold, the Lord our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire; we have seen today that God speaks with man, yet he lives.

God appeared to Moses so of course He looked like that. Nothing to do with the garden.

All it's doing is describing God's holy place and the holy cherubim, the garden of Eden which is atop holy Mt Sinai/Zion/tsaphon depending on what chapter of the Bible. And Eden is atop that mountain.

Goodness. That is way out on left field. You claim the garden of Eden on earth is still here? You thought Moses climbed a mountain and lo and behold, there was the garden!?

That's all there is to it.

Except the garden of Eden is actually not here anymore in reality. Climb all the mountains on earth and see. Better still use google earth!

No reason to Invent a second Eden when the Bible gives no indication that there is more than one. Eden is Holy Space. When Moses goes up the holy mountain of fire and sees brilliant crystal like lapiz lazuli, Moses is not time traveling to some prophetic futuristic place. He's simply going up, essentially to God's holy space, that is Eden, to receive the 10 commandments.

No. Eden is not heaven or earth. Eden in heaven is a garden in heaven and earth Eden was a garden planted on earth by God.

 

[Job 33:6]

The nature of Mount Everest on earth is not such that one can see all the kingdoms of the world from it. Also as was pointed out every mountain will be made low before that great day when New Jerusalem descends. IN fact the whole world will not be the same. There is no way some exceptionally high mountain will exist on earth for John to see anything from.
But I am starting to see a pattern here of not believing things from you. Are you an old earther as well?

And it's original context, the tallest mountain of Earth such as Everest was sufficient hyperbolically to see all the kingdoms of the earth. You're just reading the Bible from a 21st century NASA educated context