Why Old Earth creationism doesn't work

[Job 33:6]

A video on satan

 

[truthpls]

Did you rad what i wrote predates the garden of Eden

Nothing on earth predates the garden of Eden, at least not by more than a few days

 

[truthpls]

Wait, the verse literally says he was decked in jewels in EDEN. doesn't it?

Right, so what did you think that told you? If the Eden here was not the garden on earth also called Eden then it must be somewhere else! In fact it was referred to as "You were in Eden, the garden of God;"

Thee garden was planted for man. Apparently there is also Eden, the garden of God in heaven. That was where Satan was created and put. By the time God created earth and man, Satan had already fallen. His form in Eden the garden of man was evil and as a lying serpent.

 

[friend of]

Right, so what did you think that told you? If the Eden here was not the garden on earth also called Eden then it must be somewhere else! In fact it was referred to as "You were in Eden, the garden of God;"

Thee garden was planted for man. Apparently there is also Eden, the garden of God in heaven. That was where Satan was created and put. By the time God created earth and man, Satan had already fallen. His form in Eden the garden of man was evil and as a lying serpent.

Why does there have to be 2 Edens? Why couldn't this passage be talking about Adam and Eves Eden?

 

[truthpls]

Why does there have to be 2 Edens? Why couldn't this passage be talking about Adam and Eves Eden?

Because Satan was fallen already in the Eden on earth. There also was no stones of fire, whatever that is, in our Eden, that we know of.

 

[friend of]

Because Satan was fallen already in the Eden on earth. There also was no stones of fire, whatever that is, in our Eden, that we know of.

Okay. There isn't a lot of information, like you said. Why would God have 2 Edens? Wouldn't He name them both differently?

 

[friend of]

Because Satan was fallen already in the Eden on earth. There also was no stones of fire, whatever that is, in our Eden, that we know of

What if "the iniquity" that was found in Satan was speaking directly about his temptation of Eve?

 

[d taylor]

Nothing on earth predates the garden of Eden, at least not by more than a few days

The original earth does, the one created in Genesis 1:1

 

[ARBITER01]

The original earth does, the one created in Genesis 1:1

Correct.

The earth was already created in Genesis 1:1, that's a biblical fact that every one here can read, the events after that was not the creation of the earth but a restoration.

Old translations and old theology is obsolete.

 

[truthpls]

Okay. There isn't a lot of information, like you said. Why would God have 2 Edens? Wouldn't He name them both differently?

Hey, why is there two Jerusalem!? One is called New Jerusalem. In this case the one on earth came first.

 

[truthpls]

What if "the iniquity" that was found in Satan was speaking directly about his temptation of Eve?

Nevertheless it doesn't fit. The Eden described is different. Also God would not have some angel looking over man that was actually an out of control devil that happened to sin and mess up the plan for mankind.

 

[truthpls]

The original earth does, the one created in Genesis 1:1

No such thing as original earth created before earth.

 

[truthpls]

Correct.

The earth was already created in Genesis 1:1, that's a biblical fact that every one here can read, the events after that was not the creation of the earth but a restoration.

Fantasy

 

[friend of]

Hey, why is there two Jerusalem!? One is called New Jerusalem. In this case the one on earth came first.

I just don't see any justification for there being an Earth before the Earth as described in Genesis 1

 

[truthpls]

I just don't see any justification for there being an Earth before the Earth as described in Genesis 1

Me either. Total fantasy. Eden in heaven was not on the earth. The garden planted on earth that was also named Eden was another garden apparently

 

[friend of]

Me either. Total fantasy. Eden in heaven was not on the earth. The garden planted on earth that was also named Eden was another garden apparently

Where in scripture does it say there was an Eden in heaven?

 

[Job 33:6]

Because Satan was fallen already in the Eden on earth. There also was no stones of fire, whatever that is, in our Eden, that we know of.

Stones of fire is language referring to angelic guardians such as the cherubim that stopped Adam and Eve from accessing the tree of life.

 

[truthpls]

Where in scripture does it say there was an Eden in heaven?

The morning stars danced for joy at creation. So who were they? Satan if I recall was also called son of the morning. If he was one of those stars or angels dancing, then he did not get created on the day the Lord created the heavens and earth.

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Eden = “pleasure”

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Also, Satan was not all decked in glory in the earthly garden. He was deceiving and lying. Already in rebellion.

 

[truthpls]

Stones of fire is language referring to angelic guardians such as the cherubim that stopped Adam and Eve from accessing the tree of life.

Proof?

: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (eze 28)

Eden was on earth and not the holy mountain of God. Looking at the definition of stones in Hebrew there is nothing about angels or cherubim.

 

[Job 33:6]

Proof?

: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (eze 28)

Eden was on earth and not the holy mountain of God. Looking at the definition of stones in Hebrew there is nothing about angels or cherubim.

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭1:4‭-‬5‬ ‭ESV‬‬
[4] As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. [5] And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,
[7] Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the sole of a calf’s foot. And they sparkled like burnished bronze.
[13] As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches moving to and fro among the living creatures. And the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. [14] And the living creatures darted to and fro, like the appearance of a flash of lightning.

‭‭Psalm‬ ‭104:4‬ ‭ESV‬‬
[4] he makes his messengers winds, his ministers a flaming fire.

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It's language used to also describe qualities of God's holy mountain, the place of Eden.

And Eden was at the conjunction of heaven and earth. It was in both places. Where the two meet. Hence why there is confusion.