Why not believe in Christianity?

[Stellar Vision]

Why believe in Christianity?

 

[Chrono1231]

I am curious to what causes doubt among unbelievers. Thanks for the input!

I think Science proves more than God does. Thats what turns me off and probably will forever.

 

[Telephone]

I am curious to what causes doubt among unbelievers. Thanks for the input!

Hi Smith87,

I am new here, my first real post (beside a 'hello I am new' post)


My doubt stems from the preposterous, magical and supernatural claims, that lack any credible proof and adhere to reason and logic even less so.

The immoral acts, the murder, the genocide, the torture of vast swathes of mankind strangely bothers me less in the respect that I do not judge what is true or false on what meets my ethical standards. An example would be that the horrors carried out by Nazi Germany during world war two do not make me 'doubt' or disbelieve that the Nazis existed.

As an unbeliever yourself (in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Animism, Judaism etc etc ), what has caused your 'doubt' in these other religions ?



Telephone

 

[Eudaimonist]

I am curious to what causes doubt among unbelievers. Thanks for the input!

A lack of evidence and rational argument persuasive to me that Christianity is true. It's that simple.

 

[bluered]

Today i have changed my mind and i now declare that i am no longer a christian my reasons are by reading the bible it does not make sense , i dont believe in God any more either. There are lots of reasons why i no longer believe this website has helped with my choice many reasons for doubt have been posted on this thread it feels good for me now.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

congrats

 

[Telephone]

Today i have changed my mind and i now declare that i am no longer a christian my reasons are by reading the bible it does not make sense , i dont believe in God any more either. There are lots of reasons why i no longer believe this website has helped with my choice many reasons for doubt have been posted on this thread it feels good for me now.

Congratulations!

 

[ApocryphaNow]

I don't believe in Christianity because I see no reason to do so. The way I see it, the supernatural generally, and religion specifically, are just ways of understanding the world based on tradition, faith, and rules laid out by those long dead, blindly followed in a manner that is, to me, most unappealing.

However, with the advent of science it has become clear that there are logical and testable ways to explain and interpret the world around us, ways that are not needlessly complicated by an insistence on the existence of the supernatural. I am not in the habit of doing something just because I am told to do so. There is great satisfaction in using reason to find one's own world view, satisfaciton that is absent in just taking the words of others at face value.

This does not amount to a belief that God does not exist, but rather a lack of belief completely. Surely it would be possible to reconcile the findings of science with the "existence" of some supernatural being, but what is the point? Personal comfort? A cozy afterlife? A feeling of specialness?

Personally, I find the concept of staying dead once you die to be very comforting. A concept of eternity categorized in the black-and-white view of "good" versus "evil" is disturbing to me at best. An eternity spent anywhere else seems to take away all the meaning, all the excitement, all the specialness of life.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Today i have changed my mind and i now declare that i am no longer a christian my reasons are by reading the bible it does not make sense , i dont believe in God any more either. There are lots of reasons why i no longer believe this website has helped with my choice many reasons for doubt have been posted on this thread it feels good for me now.

Congratulations on your new path. Think long and hard in developing your new worldview, and choose the noblest values and highest ideals for yourself.

 

[Species8472]

Today i have changed my mind and i now declare that i am no longer a christian my reasons are by reading the bible it does not make sense , i dont believe in God any more either. There are lots of reasons why i no longer believe this website has helped with my choice many reasons for doubt have been posted on this thread it feels good for me now.

Thats' kewl. I was an atheist-turned satanist-turned Christian-turned transcendentalist. You don't have to believe that Jesus is God. You just have to believe in the value of his virtuous words. Take the god part out and focus on the Virtue, that however--so poetic soul of Jesus Christ. You can't deny a mans' virtue unless you're looking for self-gain. Gain things of the mind. Look at the bible as poetry and then interpret it. It, however is meant to be interpretted. Search for Solomons' Gold in the scripture and his wisdom in the apocrypha. Expand your Christian belief and add the gnostic texts or the apocrypha to your biblical vocabulary. Don't just give up the Word, read it, understand it, open your eyes to what it actually is saying.
The bible is poetry whose passion moves the spirit of prophecy, which is Jesus Christ.

 

[DailyBlessings]

the immoral nature of its god

This argument is the one I've never really understood- What bearing does God's moral character have on his existence? If God is evil, it means just that- he exists, and he is evil. Not that I think this is the case. But the basic logic of the argument is flawed.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

it is a logical contradiction within christianity- the question is not why we don't believe in god, but why we don't believe in christianity.


i don't (for one reason) because christianity claims that it follows a good and holy god who wants salvation for his creation, but his actions are clearly evil. even if I was convinced of the existence of the christian god, i wouldn't be a christian because the only moral thing to do would be to fight against such an immoral god... no matter how futile

if the christian god exists, he is a sadistic trickster, intent on setting his creation up to fail, playing games with them, and condemming the vast majority of his creation to hell despite the fact that he is more responsible for their actions than they themselves are. the immoral nature of the christian god isn't why i don't believe in his existence, but is a reason i wouldn't accept his religion even if i did believe in him

 

[Species8472]

it is a logical contradiction within christianity- the question is not why we don't believe in god, but why we don't believe in christianity.


i don't (for one reason) because christianity claims that it follows a good and holy god who wants salvation for his creation, but his actions are clearly evil. even if I was convinced of the existence of the christian god, i wouldn't be a christian because the only moral thing to do would be to fight against such an immoral god... no matter how futile

if the christian god exists, he is a sadistic trickster, intent on setting his creation up to fail, playing games with them, and condemming the vast majority of his creation to hell despite the fact that he is more responsible for their actions than they themselves are. the immoral nature of the christian god isn't why i don't believe in his existence, but is a reason i wouldn't accept his religion even if i did believe in him

The L[size=-1]ORD[/size] Convinces Job of Ignorance1 Then the L[size=-1]ORD[/size] answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel
by words without knowledge?3 Gird up now thy loins like a man;
for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Declare, if thou hast understanding.5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest?
Or who hath stretched the line upon it?6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened?
Or who laid the corner stone thereof;7 when the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors,
when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof,
and thick darkness a swaddling band for it,10 and brake up for it my decreed place,
and set bars and doors,11 and said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further:
and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days;
and caused the dayspring to know his place;13 that it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
that the wicked might be shaken out of it?14 It is turned as clay to the seal;
and they stand as a garment.15 And from the wicked their light is withholden,
and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea?
Or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee?
Or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth?
Declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth?
And as for darkness, where is the place thereof,20 that thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof,
and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born?
or because the number of thy days is great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow?
Or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,23 which I have reserved against the time of trouble,
against the day of battle and war?24 By what way is the light parted,
which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters,
or a way for the lightning of thunder;26 to cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is;
on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;27 to satisfy the desolate and waste ground;
and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?28 Hath the rain a father?
Or who hath begotten the drops of dew?29 Out of whose womb came the ice?
And the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?30 The waters are hid as with a stone,
and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Plei'ades,
or loose the bands of Ori'on? 32 Canst thou bring forth Maz'zaroth in his season?
Or canst thou guide Arctu'rus with his sons?33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?
Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds,
that abundance of waters may cover thee?35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go,
and say unto thee, Here we are?36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts?
Or who hath given understanding to the heart?37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom?
Or who can stay the bottles of heaven,38 when the dust groweth into hardness,
and the clods cleave fast together?
39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion?
or fill the appetite of the young lions,40 when they couch in their dens,
and abide in the covert to lie in wait?41 Who provideth for the raven his food?
Mans' actions are clearly evil before God.

When his young ones cry unto God,they wander for lack of meat."

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[ImmortalTechnique]

i don't believe the bible... why would you quote it to convince me of anything?

 

[Telephone]

The L[size=-1]ORD[/size] Convinces Job of Ignorance1 Then the L[size=-1]ORD[/size] answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel
by words without knowledge?3 Gird up now thy loins like a man;......


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When his young ones cry unto God,they wander for lack of meat."

Hi Species8472,

I am puzzled as to why you have cut and pasted a section of the bible, is it to make a specific point in regard to why unbelivers 'doubt' Christianity?


Puzzled ?



telephone

 

[Species8472]

Think of God as having higher thoughts than mans' own vain thoughts.

Why do the heathen rage? and imagine such a vain thing?

 

[Species8472]

There is No God, but so enjoineth their belief, I am God--the heathen imagine; for I exist...God does not.

Christianity is simple. Jesus says, God is a spirit and a spirit must be worshipped in Spirit and in Truth. Stop thinking God has form. God is Purity of; knowledge, wisdom, virtue, goodness, Light, Truth, etc... worship these things and you worship god.

 

[DailyBlessings]

i don't believe the bible... why would you quote it to convince me of anything?

You use the Bible to disprove Christianity. Why not the other way around?

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

the bible discredits itself... that's why it isn't very effective to read verses from it to me

 

[Species8472]

the bible discredits itself... that's why it isn't very effective to read verses from it to me

We all are given to believe what we believe in. To believe in something Greater than the self is to believe in God. All religions are one.

ALL RELIGIONS are ONE [size=-2]t2[/size]



[size=-2]AROepigraph; E1|[/size] The Voice of one crying in the Wilderness


[size=-2]ARO; E1|[/size] The Argument As the true method of knowledge is experiment
[size=-2]AROargmuent; E1|[/size] the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which
[size=-2]AROargument; E1|[/size] experiences. This faculty I treat of.
[size=-2]ARO; E1|[/size] PRINCIPLE 1st That the Poetic Genius is the true Man. and that
[size=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/size] the body or outward form of Man is derived from the Poetic
[size=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/size] Genius. Likewise that the forms of all things are derived from
[size=-2]AROprin1; E1|[/size] their Genius. which by the Ancients was call'd an Angel & Spirit
[size=-2]AROpriin1; E1|[/size] & Demon.
[size=-2]ARO; E1|[/size] PRINCIPLE 2d As all men are alike in outward form, So (and
[size=-2]AROprin2; E1|[/size] with the same infinite variety) all are alike in the Poetic
[size=-2]AROprin2; E1|[/size] Genius
[size=-2]ARO; E1|[/size] PRINCIPLE 3d No man can think write or speak from his heart,
[size=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/size] but he must intend truth. Thus all sects of Philosophy are from
[size=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/size] the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every
[size=-2]AROprin3; E1|[/size] individual
[size=-2]ARO; E1|[/size] PRINCIPLE 4. As none by traveling over known lands can find out
[size=-2]AROprin4; E1|[/size] the unknown. So from already acquired knowledge Man could not
[size=-2]AROprin4; E1|[/size] acquire more. therefore an universal Poetic Genius exists
[size=-2]ARO; E1|[/size] PRINCIPLE. 5. The Religions of all Nations are derived from
[size=-2]AROprin5; E1|[/size] each Nations different reception of the Poetic Genius which is
[size=-2]AROprin5; E1|[/size] every where call'd the Spirit of Prophecy.
[size=-2]ARO; E1|[/size] PRINCIPLE 6 The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original
[size=-2]AROprin6; E1|[/size] derivation from the Poetic Genius. this is necessary from the
[size=-2]AROprin6; E1|[/size] confined nature of bodily sensation
[size=-2]ARO; E2|[/size] PRINCIPLE 7th As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various) So
[size=-2]AROprin7; E2|[/size] all Religions & as all similars have one source
[size=-2]AROprin7; E2|[/size] The true Man is the source he being the Poetic Genius

http://www.english.uga.edu/nhilton/Blake/blaketxt1/all_religions_are_one.html