Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[KWCrazy]

Evolution believers:

Please show the scientifically valid explanation for the origination of the universe.
1. You do not get to presuppose the existence of another universe which exists only in your fantasies.
2. You can cite Quantum theory ONLY if you can validate a suspension of the effects of gravity and explain where the subatomic particles originated.

I'm sure you will ALL agree on this single scientifically proven process by which the universe began. After all, there could be no life without the building blocks of life, which had to come from minerals and chemicals in the environment.

 

[Loudmouth]

In the end; evolution is the religion of the spiritually dead.

How so?

 

[Loudmouth]

Evolution believers:

Please show the scientifically valid explanation for the origination of the universe.

That's like asking people who accept the Germ Theory of Disease to prove the origin of the Universe. We don't need to know the origin of the universe in order to understand how life evolved.

 

[dmmesdale]

OK, this is too much...

Yeah right you are and hopefully the mods are not asleep at the switch.

 

[SkyWriting]

In the end; creationism is the religion of the intellectually dead.

The evidence is against you:

SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES ESTABLISHED
BY CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS

DISCIPLINE / SCIENTIST
ANTISEPTIC SURGERY JOSEPH LISTER (1827-1912)
BACTERIOLOGY LOUIS PASTEUR (1822-1895)
CALCULUS ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
CELESTIAL MECHANICS JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
CHEMISTRY ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
COMPARATIVE ANATOMY GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)
COMPUTER SCIENCE CHARLES BABBAGE (1792-1871)
DIMENSIONAL ANALYSIS LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
DYNAMICS ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
ELECTRONICS JOHN AMBROSE FLEMING (1849-1945)
ELECTRODYNAMICS JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
ELECTRO-MAGNETICS MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
ENERGETICS LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
ENTOMOLOGY OF LIVING INSECTS HENRI FABRE (1823-1915)
FIELD THEORY MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
FLUID MECHANICS GEORGE STOKES (1819-1903)
GALACTIC ASTRONOMY WILLIAM HERSCHEL (1738-1822)
GAS DYNAMICS ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
GENETICS GREGOR MENDEL (1822-1884)
GLACIAL GEOLOGY LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
GYNECOLOGY JAMES SIMPSON (1811-1870)
HYDRAULICS LEONARDO DA VINCI (1452-1519)
HYDROGRAPHY MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
HYDROSTATICS BLAISE PASCAL (1623-1662)
ICHTHYOLOGY LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
ISOTOPIC CHEMISTRY WILLIAM RAMSAY (1852-1916)
MODEL ANALYSIS LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
NATURAL HISTORY JOHN RAY (1627-1705)
NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY BERNHARD RIEMANN (1826- 1866)
OCEANOGRAPHY MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
OPTICAL MINERALOGY DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868)
PALEONTOLOGY JOHN WOODWARD (1665-1728)
PATHOLOGY RUDOLPH VIRCHOW (1821-1902)
PHYSICAL ASTRONOMY JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
REVERSIBLE THERMODYNAMICS JAMES JOULE (1818-1889)
STATISTICAL THERMODYNAMICS JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
STRATIGRAPHY NICHOLAS STENO (1631-1686)
SYSTEMATIC BIOLOGY CAROLUS LINNAEUS (1707-1778)
THERMODYNAMICS LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
THERMOKINETICS HUMPHREY DAVY (1778-1829)
VERTEBRATE PALEONTOLOGY GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)

I suggest you check the education and training of any of these
before you claim that they are notable in that they ignored
their creationist training. Yes, there is another current list.

 

[Loudmouth]

The evidence is against you:

SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES ESTABLISHED
BY CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS

None of which actually use creationism.

 

[sfs]

SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES ESTABLISHED
BY CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS

Scientific disciplines that employ creationism:

 

[SkyWriting]

And what exactly must be known to even conclude that the event überhaupt happened, in the first place?

Scientific principles like cause and effect, which claim that all resuts
have a first cause, and thermodynamics showing that all energy is dissipating.
Graphical timeline from Big Bang to Heat Death

 

[SkyWriting]

None of which actually use creationism.

That wasn't the claim.
Intellectualism?

 

[SkyWriting]

How do you know?

You can check:



Miracles of Jesus Christ in chronological order

 

[Waggles]

In the very end of all things, human philosophies and false sciences shall be revealed for the lies
that they are - for the Truth himself shall appear and return to judge both the living and the dead.
Yes folks, Jesus the Christ, the Creator of this wonderful living planet and the Universe shall
return and every eye shall behold him.

What will you do then? What will you believe then? Will Darwin save you?
The scriptures have already prophecied your calamity and responses...

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island
were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks
of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Revelation 6:12-17

Bring a change of underwear!

 

[sfs]

What will you do then? What will you believe then? Will Darwin save you?
The scriptures have already prophecied your calamity and responses...

Who are you addressing? And what does this have to do with evolution? Do you really think God is going to be quizzing us on which scientific theories we rejected?

 

[SkyWriting]

Scientific disciplines that employ creationism:

So you are opposed to intellectualism?

 

[SkyWriting]

Bring a change of underwear!

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you really think God is going to be quizzing us on which scientific theories we rejected?

He will be looking at your heart.
How well you treat others.

 

[sfs]

So you are opposed to intellectualism?

No. I was pointing out that creationism has no role in modern science. I'm not sure how that translates into opposition to intellectualism, or even what the latter is.

 

[lesliedellow]

The evidence is against you:

SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES ESTABLISHED
BY CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS

DISCIPLINE / SCIENTIST
ANTISEPTIC SURGERY JOSEPH LISTER (1827-1912)
BACTERIOLOGY LOUIS PASTEUR (1822-1895)
CALCULUS ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
CELESTIAL MECHANICS JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
CHEMISTRY ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
COMPARATIVE ANATOMY GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)
COMPUTER SCIENCE CHARLES BABBAGE (1792-1871)
DIMENSIONAL ANALYSIS LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
DYNAMICS ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
ELECTRONICS JOHN AMBROSE FLEMING (1849-1945)
ELECTRODYNAMICS JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
ELECTRO-MAGNETICS MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
ENERGETICS LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
ENTOMOLOGY OF LIVING INSECTS HENRI FABRE (1823-1915)
FIELD THEORY MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
FLUID MECHANICS GEORGE STOKES (1819-1903)
GALACTIC ASTRONOMY WILLIAM HERSCHEL (1738-1822)
GAS DYNAMICS ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
GENETICS GREGOR MENDEL (1822-1884)
GLACIAL GEOLOGY LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
GYNECOLOGY JAMES SIMPSON (1811-1870)
HYDRAULICS LEONARDO DA VINCI (1452-1519)
HYDROGRAPHY MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
HYDROSTATICS BLAISE PASCAL (1623-1662)
ICHTHYOLOGY LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
ISOTOPIC CHEMISTRY WILLIAM RAMSAY (1852-1916)
MODEL ANALYSIS LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
NATURAL HISTORY JOHN RAY (1627-1705)
NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY BERNHARD RIEMANN (1826- 1866)
OCEANOGRAPHY MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
OPTICAL MINERALOGY DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868)
PALEONTOLOGY JOHN WOODWARD (1665-1728)
PATHOLOGY RUDOLPH VIRCHOW (1821-1902)
PHYSICAL ASTRONOMY JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
REVERSIBLE THERMODYNAMICS JAMES JOULE (1818-1889)
STATISTICAL THERMODYNAMICS JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
STRATIGRAPHY NICHOLAS STENO (1631-1686)
SYSTEMATIC BIOLOGY CAROLUS LINNAEUS (1707-1778)
THERMODYNAMICS LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
THERMOKINETICS HUMPHREY DAVY (1778-1829)
VERTEBRATE PALEONTOLOGY GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)

I suggest you check the education and training of any of these
before you claim that they are notable in that they ignored
their creationist training. Yes, there is another current list.

People living before the Theory of Evolution had been demonstrated true beyond all reasonable doubt had no reason not to believe that Genesis 1-10 could not simply be read as uncomplicated history. Somebody wanting to believe the same thing today, however, has to indulge in every type of obscurantism, fallacy, misrepresentation and mental gymnastics imaginable.

 

[SkyWriting]

People living before the Theory of Evolution had been demonstrated true beyond all reasonable doubt had no reason not to believe that Genesis 1-10 could not simply be read as uncomplicated history. Somebody wanting to believe the same thing today, however, has to indulge in every type of obscurantism, fallacies, misrepresentations and mental gymnastics imaginable.

The Genesis account describes how the world was formed
including a Garden where God walked and talked with Adam.
The Gen account is about the creation of Paradise where God walked.
It's not about the realm where we currently live. Adam was
banished from Paradise.

It is normal for people to confuse the two. Some also complain
about our current realm, for the exact same reason.

 

[SkyWriting]

No. I was pointing out that creationism has no role in modern science. I'm not sure how that translates into opposition to intellectualism, or even what the latter is.

Lack of intellectualism in Creationists was the post I was responding to.
Your complaint has no bearing on that.

 

[USincognito]

Evolution believers:...

...After all, there could be no life without the building blocks of life, which had to come from minerals and chemicals in the environment.

One does not believe something for which one has evidence.

And actually God creating the first primordial life would preclude that issue.