Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[Speedwell]

It would still need new information. The evolutionists have never been able to answer for me where does the new information come from for the evolution to take place (the change).

It comes from random mutations.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It would still need new information. The evolutionists have never been able to answer for me where does the new information come from for the evolution to take place (the change).

Mutation. I will explain via sentences:
original sentence: My fat cat once caught a bat.
addition mutation: My very fat cat once caught a bat.
Results in the meaning being changed a little bit, and a longer sentence.

Some other mutations explained via the same sentence:
deletion mutation: My cat once caught a bat.
substitution mutation: My fat cat once caught a rat.
all three put together in order: My very cat once caught a rat.
Thanks to multiple mutations, the sentence can change greatly in meaning.

 

[Divide]

Mutation. I will explain via sentences:
original sentence: My fat cat once caught a bat.
addition mutation: My very fat cat once caught a bat.
Results in the meaning being changed a little bit, and a longer sentence.

Some other mutations explained via the same sentence:
deletion mutation: My cat once caught a bat.
substitution mutation: My fat cat once caught a rat.
all three put together in order: My very cat once caught a rat.
Thanks to multiple mutations, the sentence can change greatly in meaning.

For words maybe. But biologically on the cellular level, it just doesn't work that way Sister.

 

[tas8831]

For words maybe. But biologically on the cellular level, it just doesn't work that way Sister.

Please explain it, brother.

Maybe ven provide some examples?

Here is the NCBI genome database:

Home - Genome - NCBI

I'm sure all the evidence you could ever need (or acquire) will be there.

So please tell us all how mutations on the 'cellular level' means, then why it 'doesn't work that way."

Thanks!

 

[tas8831]

Then how come Darwinists quoting the writings of other Darwinists as truth is OK?

Are you referring to quoting/citing scientific publications, as opposed to the translated and transliterated and edited tales from often unknown authors writing in a pre-technological time when numerology and superstition ruled the day?

 

[PsychoSarah]

For words maybe. But biologically on the cellular level, it just doesn't work that way Sister.

Oh, but it does, it really does. In fact, it's way easier with just a "4 letter alphabet".
I'll use spaces to make the codons stick out better, and use the mRNA version since it is easier to convert into protein. I'll also use 3 letter abbreviations for the amino acids in the protein that the short sequences would produce. Note that UAA is one of 3 stop codons, which signals the end of protein production and does not signal the addition of any amino acids.

Original mRNA: AUG UUU CAC CGA AGG UGU CCA UAA
Original protein: Met-Phe-His-Arg-Arg-Cys-Pro
addition mutation mRNA: AUG CUU UUU CAC CGA AGG UGU CCA UAA
addition mutation protein: Met-Leu-Phe-His-Arg-Arg-Cys-Pro

deletion mutation mRNA: AUG UUU CAC CGA UGU CCA UAA
deletion mutation protein: Met-Phe-His-Arg-Cys-Pro

substitution mutation mRNA: AUG UUU CAC CGA AGG UGU GCA UAA
substitution mutation mRNA: Met-Phe-His-Arg-Arg-Cys-Ala

all these mutations put together mRNA: AUG CUU UUU CAC CGA UGU GCA UAA
all these mutations put together protein: Met-Leu-Phe-His-Arg-Cys-Ala

Some amino acids are so chemically similar to each other that when one replaces the other in a protein, the protein's function barely changes. Others are so chemically different that this one small change can change the function of the protein entirely. As you can see from the basic variation between people (such as different eye colors) you know that not every mutation that causes a noticeable change in one's body has a negative impact. Hence how mutation is the source of the variation within populations that natural selection acts upon.

 

[Divide]

Please explain it, brother.

Maybe ven provide some examples?

Here is the NCBI genome database:

Home - Genome - NCBI

I'm sure all the evidence you could ever need (or acquire) will be there.

So please tell us all how mutations on the 'cellular level' means, then why it 'doesn't work that way."

Thanks!

You give me a link that that, to the home page, and that is to suffice? What am I to do, begin a lifelong study of biology now, lol? Sorry Brother, you'll need to link specific pages with specific points to do that. I'm just too busy to put that much time into it. I hope you understand.

 

[Divide]

As you can see from the basic variation between people (such as different eye colors) you know that not every mutation that causes a noticeable change in one's body has a negative impact. Hence how mutation is the source of the variation within populations that natural selection acts upon.

Allright now, I'm no scientist (Lol) but this strikes me a bit questionable. Ok let's say...an animal (or whatever) needs to grow fur because an ice age is coming on...it might not get fur with what your saying. It might get red eyes instead, lol.

Variations within populations are nice (especially in girls, lol) but...they are random and not specific.
See what I mean? It needs specific information...add fur etc., have you any examples of variations of expected specific variation within a species? I don't think we have that.

There's a good reason for it too, Sister...

Colossians 1:17
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.../ !!

 

[USincognito]

It would still need new information. The evolutionists have never been able to answer for me where does the new information come from for the evolution to take place (the change).

It comes from mutations. DNA isn't a language or a computer program. It's chemistry and different mixes of different bases and codons cause different things to happen.

For words maybe. But biologically on the cellular level, it just doesn't work that way Sister.

It does. Here's 4 examples of mutations to genes and gene pathways in humans that have led to beneficial mutations.

SRGAP2C - increased the number of dendrites (connections between neurons) in genus Homo.
ARGAP11B - caused an increase in the density of the neocortex in genus Homo and appears to play a role in the evolution of brain folds.
LCT/MCM6 - a mutation in the MCM6 regulatory gene allows LCT to continue producing lactase into adulthood.
CCR5Δ32 (delta32) confers HIV immunity.

 

[Jimmy D]

Allright now, I'm no scientist (Lol) but this strikes me a bit questionable. Ok let's say...an animal (or whatever) needs to grow fur because an ice age is coming on...it might not get fur with what your saying. It might get red eyes instead, lol.

Variations within populations are nice (especially in girls, lol) but...they are random and not specific.
See what I mean? It needs specific information...add fur etc., have you any examples of variations of expected specific variation within a species? I don't think we have that.

There's a good reason for it too, Sister...

Colossians 1:17
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.../ !!

You have quite an unusual view of evolution, I'm not surprised you're sceptical.

 

[Divide]

You have quite an unusual view of evolution, I'm not surprised you're sceptical.

I sure do Brother. Scripture says that deception is the enemies primary tool, and that leads me to be very skeptical. Especially of our government. They keep saying oh things will get better...and they keep getting worse no matter who's in office, lol. So yeah, I look to scripture for truth. There is no evolution. It's a fabrication of man.

 

[Jimmy D]

I sure do Brother. Scripture says that deception is the enemies primary tool, and that leads me to be very skeptical. Especially of our government. They keep saying oh things will get better...and they keep getting worse no matter who's in office, lol. So yeah, I look to scripture for truth. There is no evolution. It's a fabrication of man.

Nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism, I suggest a bit of reading into how evolution actually works though.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism, I suggest a bit of reading into how evolution actually works though.

I think I know!

 

[Jimmy D]

I think I know!

Yeah. Point scoring at the expense of murdered teens. You are a pathetic individual.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah. Point scoring at the expense of murdered teens. You are a pathetic individual.

That's the philosophy of evolution for you.

We're all animals that are expected to act like human beings, aren't we?

A couple of guys who are educated to believe they are apes act like it, and the rest of the world wonders what went wrong?

Not all dogs are expected to act housebroken.

Not all parakeets are expected to talk.

Not all horses stand still for a rider.

Not all apes sit around and eat bananas and smile, do they?

Yes ... it's pathetic ... but there's a dark side to being raised to believe one is a simian.

 

[gaara4158]

Allright now, I'm no scientist (Lol) but this strikes me a bit questionable. Ok let's say...an animal (or whatever) needs to grow fur because an ice age is coming on...it might not get fur with what your saying. It might get red eyes instead, lol.

Variations within populations are nice (especially in girls, lol) but...they are random and not specific.
See what I mean? It needs specific information...add fur etc., have you any examples of variations of expected specific variation within a species? I don't think we have that.

There's a good reason for it too, Sister...

Colossians 1:17
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.../ !!

Then it’s absolutely no surprise that 99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct. Beneficial mutations may be rare, but it only takes a few to save the future generations.

 

[pitabread]

That's the philosophy of evolution for you.

There is no "philosophy of evolution" though.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no "philosophy of evolution" though.

Paul says otherwise though.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Allright now, I'm no scientist (Lol) but this strikes me a bit questionable. Ok let's say...an animal (or whatever) needs to grow fur because an ice age is coming on...it might not get fur with what your saying. It might get red eyes instead, lol.

Yup, mutations don't have goals and don't purposely provide benefits... which is part of why the majority of species that have ever existed are extinct. Anything unlucky enough to have its entire population unable to cope with an environmental change dies out.

Variations within populations are nice (especially in girls, lol) but...they are random and not specific.
See what I mean? It needs specific information...add fur etc., have you any examples of variations of expected specific variation within a species? I don't think we have that.

-_- you've never noticed that some people are more hairy than others? Consider also that there is a mutation becoming more prevalent in our species which reduces how long we need to sleep to be well rested; quite beneficial to have a couple more productive hours in a day in our modern society, isn't it? There are also mutations that are beneficial in nearly all circumstances, such as the one that produces bones so strong in humans that they make that guy from the movie Unbreakable look fragile.

Furthermore, even small things like eye color can be very beneficial; not necessarily to survival, but consider also reproduction. The genes for blue and green eyes didn't become prevalent in certain populations because they have any survival benefit, they became prevalent because they had an advantage in reproduction (people found it more attractive than brown eyes). Peacocks and other birds are great depictions of how traits that even aren't beneficial to survival can persist just because of how much they benefit reproduction.

 

[gaara4158]

A couple of guys who are educated to believe they are apes act like it, and the rest of the world wonders what went wrong?

You know you're an ape, right? You've every bit an ape as you are a human, a mammal, and a vertebrate. Apes, or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates. If you're not, you're the first non-ape who's managed to successfully post anything online, in which case bravo. But you are an ape. Apes just aren't what you think they are.