Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[AV1611VET]

Assertions premised on causative effects are not evidence.

Say what?

Pain in childbirth is caused by the stretching of the cervix and associated tissues due to the size of the fetus,

TMI -- and did you say "fetus"?

... not deity magic.

What's 'deity magic'?

And why are thorns and thistles evidence for creation?

Read my post again, chief.

I said THE FALL, not CREATION.

... makes zero sense.

I can see why.

 

[tas8831]

Say what?

TMI -- and did you say "fetus"?

What's 'deity magic'?

Read my post again, chief.

I said THE FALL, not CREATION.

I can see why.

Thorns are modified leaves that some plants use for defense.

Not evidence for any 'fall.'


I'd prefer not to read your posts.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Evidence for the Fall:

1. thorns
2. thistles
3. pain in childbearing
4. entropy

Ok, I understand the first three, since the bible actually directly mentions them at least, but entropy? I feel like people don't understand entropy very well thanks to the use of the word "disorder" when describing the favored energy state. Yes, "disorder" isn't literally a lack of organization, it's just an energy state. Living beings are often described by creationists as having to "defy entropy", as if our cells don't utilize that physical property in order to exist. That is, our bodies wouldn't function without entropy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Living beings are often described by creationists as having to "defy entropy", as if our cells don't utilize that physical property in order to exist. That is, our bodies wouldn't function without entropy.

Isn't the universe heading in the direction of thermal equilibrium (maximum entropy)?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Isn't the universe heading in the direction of thermal equilibrium (maximum entropy)?

Seems that way for sure, but that's just a theory

On a more serious note, if entropy didn't exist, then your cells wouldn't be able to take advantage of it to use energy. Your cells need the high energy molecule ATP to move to the lower energy state of ADP in order to use energy to perform various functions (by losing one of its three phosphates).

 

[gaara4158]

That's exactly what I did. And having a personal relationship with God the creator of life,
the universe and everything gives me the knowledge and understanding that evolution is
simply unbelief and grasping at straws.
God is real, Darwinism ain't.

How exactly did you receive this knowledge? Do you have a letter? Email? Text message? Demonstrable evidence?

 

[AV1611VET]

How exactly did you receive this knowledge? Do you have a letter? Email? Text message?

Spirit.

 

[Waggles]

Gibberish and fallacious nonsense.

Prove it to be so.
On what evidence?

 

[Waggles]

How exactly did you receive this knowledge? Do you have a letter? Email? Text message? Demonstrable evidence?

I received the Holy Spirit who is from God the Father and is given to
true worshippers who are able to worship God in spirit and in truth.

 

[gaara4158]

Spirit.

I received the Holy Spirit who is from God the Father and is given to
true worshippers who are able to worship God in spirit and in truth.

How do you differentiate spirit from your own imagination?

 

[tyke]

I received the Holy Spirit who is from God the Father and is given to
true worshippers who are able to worship God in spirit and in truth.

Do you understand that this is neither evidence for creation nor against evolution? Did this message from god tell you overtly that evolution is not a fact? I don't see how this is in any way evidence for creationism.

 

[Tayla]

the theory of evolution

I don't get why creationists are so bugged by evolution. There is so much evidence at the biochemical level.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you differentiate spirit from your own imagination?

If you knew my imagination ... you'd know!

 

[Ophiolite]

How do you differentiate spirit from your own imagination?

The Spirit tells them which one is which.

Note: while the comment above may appear derisive that is not its intent. Rather I wish to make the point that in matters of revelation the "proof" is necessarily self-referential. I think I understand the thought process involved, having been party to it myself when was a believer.

I accept that some people will feel this is the correct way to perceive the world. Acceptance means I seek to avoid challenging that approach - a form of respect if you will. I would like to see that respect reciprocated. That would involve the following:

• No abusing science by trying to distort it to justify a faith based position. Those who choose to have faith based beliefs should be satisfied with what their faith tells them.
• No demonising of those who choose take an evidence based approach to life
• No mention of the eternal damnation they believe atheists and agnostics face, presented with a certain ill concealed glee.
• No fatuous claims asserting there is no evidence, when evidence is abundant
• Etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't get why creationists are so bugged by evolution.

Evolution turns the Bible into spaghetti: especially in the areas of deep time and original sin.

 

[tyke]

Evolution turns the Bible into spaghetti: especially in the areas of deep time and original sin.

Only if read literally.

 

[AV1611VET]

Only if read literally.

Evolution is read literally.

 

[tyke]

Evolution is read literally.

Evolution is a fact - populations change over time.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution is a fact - populations change over time.

No argument there -- but only for 6020 years.

 

[Speedwell]

Evolution turns the Bible into spaghetti: especially in the areas of deep time and original sin.

Deep time, sure. Original Sin is still there, though.