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Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?
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No, I said that creationists often try to describe life as "defying entropy", not that organisms do. Pockets of "order" can exist and follow entropy just fine as long as the total entropy of the universe continues to increase... which it does.
One of the most interesting ideas on what will happen once the universe has reached maximum entropy that I have ever heard is that, once this happens, the entire universe moves to a lower energy state (like how an electron that loses energy will move to a position closer to the nucleus of an atom) and that this change to a lower energy state is what creates Big Bang events. I don't personally ascribe to this idea, but I do find it interesting nevertheless.
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Mere assertion. Where is the evidence? You do not support this with evidence, so I need no evidence to disprove it.
Mere assertions. Where is the evidence? You do not support this with evidence, so I need no evidence to disprove it.
Mere assertion. Where is the evidence? You do not support this with evidence, so I need no evidence to disprove it.
How did God tell you this? why no evidence?
Your anti-evolution stance seems to consist entirely of assertions and emotional rhetoric. You will not even convince a child with such antics.
Correct. Well, now. I used to believe a bit, but now...
I see no reason to accept God's word.
Evidence for this? Proof?
Great question - science got us to the moon, got us ore nutritious food, got us knowledge of medicine, etc.
Faith in bible tales got us the Crusades, wars, and Trump.
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Yes an absurd conviction on his part...true...but the content and reasoning from physics is not!
IF the Universe (Space-Time plus Matter-Energy) had a beginning, then when space-time and matter-energy began to be, it's source was non-material, without spacial location, and timeless. Demonstrating a non-material existence outside of time as the source for the Universe (hence nature which is all the forms, inter-active forces, and inter-dependent functions of the Universe).
Now when this beginning occurred it was replete with the laws and principles of chemistry and physics, and included gravity and the strong and weak forces, and so on, necessary to and that govern all matter-energy used in the formation of planets and stars (which all form the same way everywhere we can detect). This may imply a sort of "consciousness" as many physicists are beginning to implicate.
A timeless non-material unlimited (no-spacial PLACE in something greater) form of being that is responsible for bringing all this about???? What would you call it? The ancients called it God.
The source of all we can call material, and explore with our very limited perceptual faculties, in other words the ultimate basis of even matter itself is in the realm of non-material being.
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What is consciousness but energy? Your thoughts happen in the spark that occurs between neurons, not in the flesh of the brain. God is simply Mind/Consciousness/Thought and is the image we are.
became like one of us, knowing good and evil.... It was the act of knowing that made us into the image. The first of only good.
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It also gets us the salvation of our souls and life into the eternities...
Darwinism and evolution are simply denials of the Truth that will judge you and me.
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I'm hearing this kind of thing more and more from creationists and I just don't get it: That our salvation does not depend on faith in Christ and His death and resurrection, but on belief in a literal Genesis. That's certainly not the faith I was raised in.
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I think that it's a bit more complicated than that. Can you explain your understanding of this in more detail, with reference to quantum fluctuations and vacuum energy?
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Tas I asked you..."
IF the Universe (Space-Time plus Matter-Energy) had a beginning, then when space-time and matter-energy began to be, it's source was non-material, without spacial location, and timeless. Demonstrating a non-material existence outside of time as the source for the Universe (hence nature which is all the forms, inter-active forces, and inter-dependent functions of the Universe).
Now when this beginning occurred it was replete with the laws and principles of chemistry and physics, and included gravity and the strong and weak forces, and so on, necessary to and that govern all matter-energy used in the formation of planets and stars (which all form the same way everywhere we can detect). This may imply a sort of "consciousness" as many physicists are beginning to implicate.
A timeless non-material unlimited (no-spacial PLACE in something greater) form of being that is responsible for bringing all this about???? What would you call it? The ancients called it God.
IF the Universe (Space-Time plus Matter-Energy) had a beginning, then when space-time and matter-energy began to be, it's source was non-material, without spacial location, and timeless. Demonstrating a non-material existence outside of time as the source for the Universe (hence nature which is all the forms, inter-active forces, and inter-dependent functions of the Universe).
Now when this beginning occurred it was replete with the laws and principles of chemistry and physics, and included gravity and the strong and weak forces, and so on, necessary to and that govern all matter-energy used in the formation of planets and stars (which all form the same way everywhere we can detect). This may imply a sort of "consciousness" as many physicists are beginning to implicate.
A timeless non-material unlimited (no-spacial PLACE in something greater) form of being that is responsible for bringing all this about???? What would you call it? The ancients called it God.
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Vacuum energy IS an all pervading energy that exists IN space (as do quantum fluctuations) so no one can...this that I was speaking of existed already when space-time and all matter-energy BEGAN to exist, so again these things are part of the post big bang phenomena (the after effect). The question you answered (which was to Tas) referred to the limitless timeless non-material source from whence all of Nature (including these phenomena) came forth.
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Re-read the title of this thread...physics is pointing to a limitless, timeless, non-material source that brought forth the Universe (space and time) or that the Universe came from...and this necessarily includes the physical and chemical laws and governing principles that all matter energy developments adhere to...think about it!
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