Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[AV1611VET]

So.... still no evidence FOR creation or ID?

Ain't that a gas!!?

 

[tas8831]

Ain't that a gas!!?

Yes, it is funny in a way to see adults cling so fervently to myths and nonsense.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, it is funny in a way to see adults cling so fervently to myths and nonsense.

You myth-understand them.

 

[Skreeper]

I'm sure if I gave him the wrong answer you scientifically-minded educatees would have corrected it by now and given him the correct one.

You make it sound like being educated is somehow a bad thing. You must be one of the only people who is proud of being scientific illiterate.

 

[AV1611VET]

You make it sound like being educated is somehow a bad thing. You must be one of the only people who is proud of being scientific illiterate.

Eyes barn ignit, eyes die ignit.

 

[Kylie]

Eyes barn ignit, eyes die ignit.

Now, why would any sane person wish to remain ignorant?

 

[AV1611VET]

Now, why would any sane person wish to remain ignorant?

Did Mozart have the smots in evalushun, bialagee, astranamee, and the like?

 

[Kylie]

Did Mozart have the smots in evalushun, bialagee, astranamee, and the like?

Wow. Weak argument and annoying too.

You really complaining that a flaw in science is that people don't learn about things that haven't been discovered yet? That's weak, even for you.

 

[Ophiolite]

Did Mozart have the smots in evalushun, bialagee, astranamee, and the like?

I don't know about Mozart, but if Haydn had known what we know today in these fields, his Clock Symphony would have been satisfyingly longer.

 

[Ophiolite]

@mmbattlestar
It is almost a week since I asked for your help. I imagine you've overlooked the request because several other posts and challenges have intervened. I believe your answer could be useful to both of us. Here is the post:

I'm sorry hear that you are lazy. I do incline that way myself, but - out of respect for alternative views - I have:

• been contemplating creationist arguments for more than half a century.
  
• explored and debated creationist arguments on at least six on-line forums
• read a score of creationist and Intelligent Design books
  
• studied, in depth, relevant portions of the Bible
  
• compared and contrasted the understandings gained through the above with the knowledge I have aquired through -
  • Undergraduate level studies in geology, palaeontology and biology
  • Autodidactic education in the history of science, astronomy and evolution

So, I have done my own research, not that I think that qualifies me to call someone an idiot. (The only qualification required for that is bad manners.)

I have visited your website. I thought it was very professionally done. The copy writing is first rate, colours palettes well chosen, layout inviting; all in all a first rate job. What was lacking was any substantive evidence. Now, that's quite possibly because I didn't dig deep enough or long enough. Therefore, I would appreciate it if you would point me to the single piece of evidence, presented on that site, that you find most compelling. (I suggest a single piece, not to restrict you - post more examples if you wish - but out of consideration for your laziness.) Also, if you have the time, I have not yet taken the opportunity to read this entire thread (that pesky shared laziness), so I would welcome you pointing me to one or more of the evidences for creationism you have posted.

Thank you in advance.

 

[tas8831]

You myth-understand them.

No, I really don't.

 

[HiEv]

Frankly, I look around and see wondrous things around us too, but I don't simply chalk it all up to some supernatural being, I dig deeper and find an actual explanation.

That's exactly what I did.

No, that's absolutely not what you did. If you came to a supernatural explanation, like God, then you very clearly chalked it all up to a supernatural being, instead of finding an actual explanation. That's what I said that I did not do.

Pushing one mystery off onto a bigger mystery isn't "finding an actual explanation," that's what cavemen did when it came to explaining thunder and lightning.

If what you did was the same as what I did, then what objective, scientific evidence led you to the conclusion that God most likely exists? I can tell you that the answer is "no such evidence," because if evidence like that existed, then God would be objectively verified, and not merely a tenet of blind religious faith.

And having a personal relationship with God the creator of life, the universe and everything gives me the knowledge and understanding that evolution is simply unbelief and grasping at straws.
God is real, Darwinism ain't.

Assumptions don't equal evidence, and personal beliefs can't give you knowledge about the outside world.

First of all, evolution isn't "simply unbelief" because one can both believe in God and accept evolution as the best explanation for the evidence around us for the fossil record, distribution of species, and the similarities we see between species. The Clergy Letter Project has signatures from over 13,000 members of Christian clergy who all accept that the theory of evolution "is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as 'one theory among others' is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator." (You can read the whole letter here.)

Second of all, this has nothing to do with "grasping at straws." The theory of evolution was discovered independently by both Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace. It is supported by mounds of objective scientific evidence. It makes reliable verifiable predictions. It explains why we tend to find similar species in geographically nearby, why DNA (which wasn't even known to exist in Darwin's time) is so similar in some ways across many species, why we see a progression of species appearing in the fossil record, etc... None of this is explained by the Bible, the text of which actually seems exactly like ancient people grasping at straws for explanations.

So, the theory of evolution has nothing to do with "unbelief" and it's founded on evidence that other people could discover independently, and it makes verifiable predictions that work reliably. That doesn't sound like "grasping at straws" by any standard that I'm aware of.

Finally, I asked you for what would count as evidence that would convince you of the validity of the theory of evolution, and you totally ignored the question. Care to actually answer the question?

 

[Waggles]

Care to actually answer the question?

God is truth. I can experience this truth. This truth indwells within me.
I can pray in the Holy Spirit. I experience miracles, healings and blessings not only
for myself but for others as well.
These signs shall follow them that believe...
And the truth is returning to this world in power and glory for judgment.

God tells me that evolution is a product of unbelief and pride.
A straightout refusal to accept and believe that the Word of God is true.
Absolutely.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
By design for a purpose without any need for evolution whatsoever.

Why would I want to put any faith into false science and supposition?

 

[Waggles]

None of this is explained by the Bible,

The Bible is not there to explain the full extent of how God created all things.
It simply informs us truthfully that Jesus as God created the universe, planets, stars,
and our Earth with all of its wondrous living ecosystem.

I believe not out of ignorance but through the direct revelation of truth given by
God through the Holy Spirit.
Creation is true; evolution is a lie.

 

[Ophiolite]

Why would I want to put any faith into false science and supposition?

You wouldn't. No sensible person would. But you could try placing a provisional acceptance on well evidenced and validated science that recognises an old Earth and evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

But you could try placing a provisional acceptance on well evidenced and validated science that recognises an old Earth and evolution.

What's next?

Placing a provisional acceptance on "well evidenced and validated science" that denies:

1. original sin
2. the Fall
3. a global flood
4. the Egyptian captivity
5. Israel as their God-given Promised Land
6. the Bible as the word of God
7. Jonah being swallowed by a whale
8. Jesus being born as a virgin
9. the existence of the town of Bethlehem
10. the Ten Commandments on public display
11. a child that starts his life in a womb
12. Pluto as our ninth planet

... just for starters?

 

[tas8831]

God is truth. I can experience this truth. This truth indwells within me.
I can pray in the Holy Spirit. I experience miracles, healings and blessings not only
for myself but for others as well.
These signs shall follow them that believe...
And the truth is returning to this world in power and glory for judgment.

God tells me that evolution is a product of unbelief and pride.
A straightout refusal to accept and believe that the Word of God is true.
Absolutely.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
By design for a purpose without any need for evolution whatsoever.

Why would I want to put any faith into false science and supposition?

Gibberish and fallacious nonsense.

 

[tas8831]

What's next?

Placing a provisional acceptance on "well evidenced and validated science" that denies:

1. original sin
2. the Fall
3. a global flood
4. the Egyptian captivity
5. Israel as their God-given Promised Land
6. the Bible as the word of God
7. Jonah being swallowed by a whale
8. Jesus being born as a virgin
9. the existence of the town of Bethlehem
10. the Ten Commandments on public display
11. a child that starts his life in a womb
12. Pluto as our ninth planet

... just for starters?

Just for starters, seeing as how the actual subject of this thread is the observation that creationists don;t offer evidence for their side, how about you take 3 of your litany and provide verifiable, corroborated, EVIDENCE that support them?

But not 'Pluto as our ninth planet' or 'the existence of the town of Bethlehem' or 'the Ten Commandments on public display' or 'a child that starts his life in a womb' as thosee are bizarrely irrelevant.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just for starters, seeing as how the actual subject of this thread is the observation that creationists don;t offer evidence for their side, how about you take 3 of your litany and provide verifiable, corroborated, EVIDENCE that support them?

Evidence for the Fall:

1. thorns
2. thistles
3. pain in childbearing
4. entropy

 

[tas8831]

Evidence for the Fall:

1. thorns
2. thistles
3. pain in childbearing
4. entropy

Assertions premised on causative effects are not evidence.

Pain in childbirth is caused by the stretching of the cervix and associated tissues due to the size of the fetus, not deity magic.

And why are thorns and thistles evidence for creation? makes zero sense.