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The number of books on territorial spirits on Amazon, for instance, tells me that they are a major consideration in world evangelization. The one I saw while under the influence of LSD years ago looked more like a gnome. My guess is that these are lower-level evil spirits along the lines of imps, sprites, and trolls that operate within the "power of suggestion" since these lower-level spirits are seen in medieval drawings perched on someone's shoulder as if to whisper in the ear....just an observation...
By the way, "casting out devils" is not just a suggestion. It's a command from "The Throne Room".
13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
analambanœ, "to take up" in order to use, "to take to one's self," thus, "take up" as one takes up armor to put it on. The verb is aorist imperative, which construction issues a command given with military snap and curtness, a command to be obeyed at once and once for all. Thus, the Christian is to take up and put on all the armor of God as a once-for-all act and keep that armor on during the entire course of his life, not relaxing the discipline necessary for the constant use of such protection. (from Wuest's Word Studies)
Sitting, clothed, and in his right mindSo the writer had it wrong?
That's not what that verse says. That verse says, essentially, the same thing as Paul said to the Colossians: For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
And yet that same Paul also said:
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
And James said: You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder. And Jesus said: Then the unclean spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before. And yet demons said to Jesus: 'What do you want with us, Son of God?' they shouted. 'Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?' The fact that demons are under the domination of the Lord does not argue against their existence.
You are misquoting scripture. It does not say what you THINK it says.
First the word devil is only used in the N.T. andThat's not what that verse says. That verse says, essentially, the same thing as Paul said to the Colossians: For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
And yet that same Paul also said:
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
And James said: You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder. And Jesus said: Then the unclean spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before. And yet demons said to Jesus: 'What do you want with us, Son of God?' they shouted. 'Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?' The fact that demons are under the domination of the Lord does not argue against their existence.
You are misquoting scripture. It does not say what you THINK it says.
LUKE 8:35 if you read the verse it isimplying that this was a lunitic who was out of his mind and afterJesus spoke the man was then found "sitting and clothed, and in his right mindHe-man, if you are going to champion obscure theology that's not even regarded as "Christian" in any traditional sense of the word, you have a responsibility to provide more than just short, vague, poorly punctuated responses.
What does the above post mean? Are you saying the demons are lunatics? I'm presuming (though not at all certain) you mean that lunatics who are out of their minds are possessed by demons. But are you not contradicting your own position?
Please be considerate enough to take a few moments and explain your positions clearly, so we're not all sitting here incessantly having to try and figure out what's in your head.
Oh? Good now explain how you can spot demonic posession that does not even exist except in the distorted mind of the patient.
That didn’t answer the question. I see that you have now avoided dealing with questions on scripture. That explains just about everything.Sitting, clothed, and in his right mind
Unfortunately for you, I don't claim any special authority about demonology. I see no reason to not believe, or at least no reason to dismiss the possibility out of hand.Oh? Good now explain how you can spot demonic posession that does not even exist except in the distorted mind of the patient.
Matthew 16:23 Peter a devil?; 2 Timothy 2:13 slanderer; Numbers 22:22 adversary not a devil; 2 Samue 19:22 adversary; 1 Samuel 19:10 adversary;Matthew 7:22; the word devil is not even in the O.T.That didn’t answer the question. I see that you have now avoided dealing with questions on scripture. That explains just about everything.
Again, was Luke wrong?Matthew 16:23 Peter a devil?; 2 Timothy 2:13 slanderer; Numbers 22:22 adversary not a devil; 2 Samue 19:22 adversary; 1 Samuel 19:10 adversary;Matthew 7:22; the word devil is not even in the O.T.
Good, now tell me where you think the idea cam from. Are you aware of the Oreintal Dualism of pagans? 2 Timothy 3:13 the word is translated as seducer.Unfortunately for you, I don't claim any special authority about demonology. I see no reason to not believe, or at least no reason to dismiss the possibility out of hand.
Yes the word actually translates as fatalities; so the poor man had many fatalities; (a fatal influence) and being cured, he was sitting fully clothed and in his right mind.Again, was Luke wrong?
Actually, it doesn’t translate as that.Yes the word actually translates as fatalities; so the poor man had many fatalities; (a fatal influence) and being cured, he was sitting fully clothed and in his right mind.
LSJ says it does.Actually, it doesn’t translate as that.
logeion.uchicago.edu some fatality; ld.9.54Actually, it doesn’t translate as that.
Sitting, clothed, and in his right mind
The bible also talks about seeking wealth.It's funny how one little word can change the meaning of something..
It is not "money" that is the root of all evil... although this is stated all the time.
It is "THE LOVE" of money that is the root of all evil.
are you implying that evil is all subjective depending on your personal perspective (which I would disagree with)?
Indeed. I agree with the explanation of your exegesis. It still doesn't explain why and where evil still is sourced from.
Please explain the following passages, perhaps I am mistaken.
1 John 5:19" We know that we are from God the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."
2 Timothy 2:26 "and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will."
John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out."
I can't speculate on where the concept of demonic possession/oppression might have come from. Many cultures and civilizations worldwide seem to believe in it, even ones that had little or no interaction with each other at times.Good, now tell me where you think the idea cam from. Are you aware of the Oreintal Dualism of pagans? 2 Timothy 3:13 the word is translated as seducer.
Is that supposed to be some sort of link?LSJ says it does.
logeion.uchicago.edu some fatality; ld.9.54
Is that supposed to be some sort of link?
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