Why Mary ?

[Root of Jesse]

Of course He did. He entrusted Her to John at the foot of the cross. He listened to Her when She interceded at Cana.

Does not every son honour their mother?

And shouldn't we do as Jesus does?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Any church. You have to admit withholding scriptures from the masses for centuries benefited the institution, not the people. God's Kingdom is built in God's image. Man's institutions are built in man's image.

That was 500 years ago.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Of course He did. He entrusted Her to John at the foot of the cross. He listened to Her when She interceded at Cana.

Does not every son honour their mother?

We’ll probably not every son but in most cases they probably should.

 

[Albion]

To you.

No, not "to me." That's what the topic here was from the start, but some people drifted away from it as sometimes happens.

 

[klutedavid]

I wonder why Catholics so focus on Mary, mother of Jesus, what is the hidden agenda behind this?

Is it a way to elevate the human status to be equal to God as The Pope as the middle man between God and human being?

The apostle Paul never mentioned Mary, so I never mention Mary.

 

[Albion]

...and the New Testament itself seldom makes much of Mary after the events surrounding Jesus birth. Then, when it does mention her, she never is treated by her son as though he and she were very close. He more or less rebukes her when he is located confounding the elders in the temple and again at the marriage feast at Cana. She is with him during his public years, is there at the crucifixion, and with the disciples after his death, but again, that is about all that can be said for her role or status on those occasions--she was there.

 

[johnnywong]

Anyone who follows the will of God before the will of man is just as worthy to Jesus as His immediate family was.
Besides, the saints who simply followed the will of God over man and dared step outside the control of man, were elevated by the church through spin rather than punishment, to be seen as being on an impossible level to reach for the masses. The churches way of saying the masses could not meet their standards. In that way the clergy made themselves necessary as middlemen whereas the masses could have all chosen God's will if given the chance. Job security.

They project a system in Heaven (middlemen system ,through Mary and the Saints ) to justify the middlemen system on earth (middlemen, Pope and Priests )

 

[timothyu]

That was 500 years ago.

1700

 

[Root of Jesse]

No, not "to me." That's what the topic here was from the start, but some people drifted away from it as sometimes happens.

Oh, so you think I meant you, personally. Well, to you, personally, and those like you, all I can say is "Why not Mary?" God chose her to bear His Son, if she's good enough for God, she's good enough for me, and Catholics the world over.

 

[Root of Jesse]

1700

Actually, mid-1500's. When Gutenberg invented the printing press. Afore that, books were hand-copied and very expensive, which is why Bibles were chained inside the Church. FYI.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The apostle Paul never mentioned Mary, so I never mention Mary.

Jesus mentioned Mary, so I always mention Mary.

 

[timothyu]

Actually, mid-1500's. When Gutenberg invented the printing press. Afore that, books were hand-copied and very expensive, which is why Bibles were chained inside the Church. FYI.

Yes, a convenient way to hold control over an institution, kind of like food in a cafeteria that gets doled out according to the will of the server rather than offering a smorg of scripture.

 

[Root of Jesse]

...and the New Testament itself seldom makes much of Mary after the events surrounding Jesus birth. Then, when it does mention her, she never is treated by her son as though he and she were very close. He more or less rebukes her when he is located confounding the elders in the temple and again at the marriage feast at Cana. She is with him during his public years, is there at the crucifixion, and with the disciples after his death, but again, that is about all that can be said for her role or status on those occasions--she was there.

Riiiiight. So Jesus, the son of God, doesn't obey the 10 Commandments, right? Jesus may have mildly rebuked her in the temple for her lack of understanding, and at Cana for pushing him before it was 'his hour', but he did obey her.
Jesus also rebuked his apostles for their lack of understanding, does that mean that he wasn't close to them?
Oh, and I know how you guys think that when Jesus called his mother "woman", it was as if he insulted her. But we see it as his recognizing her as sinless as Eve was before she was known as Eve.
Personally, I don't care how much you honor Mary or don't. So if you see no reason to honor her, don't. What is that to me? (to quote our Saviour)

 

[Root of Jesse]

Yes, a convenient way to hold control over an institution, kind of like food in a cafeteria that gets doled out according to the will of the server rather than offering a smorg of scripture.

What good is it to offer a book to someone who cannot do anything with it?

Regarding your analogy, we know we offer the entire banquet to the faithful, while you Protestants offer part of the banquet (like getting doled out at the cafeteria).

 

[timothyu]

while you Protestants offer part of the banquet

All I see in Christianity is part of Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom while scripture tells it all.

 

[Albion]

...all I can say is "Why not Mary?" God chose her to bear His Son, if she's good enough for God, she's good enough for me, and Catholics the world over.

I am sure, really sure, that you know that that is not the issue.

There is no one saying that Mary should be scorned, etc.

 

[johnnywong]

I am sure, really sure, that you know that that is not the issue.

There is no one saying that Mary should be scorned, etc.

We are saying placing too high honor according to the human desire is not good .
Mary was a humble servant of God , she is really very sad seeing so many Christians worshiping her in the wrong way.Making her very embarrassed before God and forced her to steal the glory of God!

 

[Albion]

Actually, mid-1500's. When Gutenberg invented the printing press.

Actually not.

Gutenberg died in 1468.

 

[Root of Jesse]

All I see in Christianity is part of Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom while scripture tells it all.

But Scripture itself tells us that it doesn't tell us all...

 

[Root of Jesse]

I am sure, really sure, that you know that that is not the issue.

There is no one saying that Mary should be scorned, etc.

Except for those who are. IT seems Protestants want to trot her out at Christmas, sing "Silent Night", then put her back in the box.