Why Mary ?

[timothyu]

Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Salvation is from Jesus ALONE !!!
Don't try to add Mary, Saints, Pope , saints praying for you , all rubbish compare to Christ !

Everthing add to it is under curse and from Satan

It appears what your really saying in the OP is you already know why they honor Mary and you believe they shouldn’t. Did Jesus honor Mary? Why shouldn’t we?

 

[timothyu]

Did Jesus honor Mary?

What is the 5th commandment that Jesus would follow? But Matthew 12:50 puts that in perspective.

 

[Tigger45]

First of all, she carried Christ more than 9 months, she likely carried him as an infant and at times as a toddler, most likely she taught him to speak and to walk.. she was His mother.
Yet, even still, we are to honor her not for those reasons, "rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."
Which is exactly what Mary did and why the scriptures indicate that All generations will call her blessed.

Amen, and even in His risen state He is still 100% human and could no less then honor her as a good Son would.

1 Kings 2:19

When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat down at his right hand.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What is the 5th commandment that Jesus would follow? But Matthew 12:50 puts that in perspective.

Then we should also honor the saints according to Matthew 12:50. Would they not be our Fathers according to that verse?

 

[Jonaitis]

Then we should also honor the saints according to Matthew 12:50. Would they not be our Fathers according to that verse?

Depends on what "honor" means.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Depends on what "honor" means. I've seen some Roman Catholics, before some picture of a "saint," burn incense and pray as if they believed in some sort of traditional eastern belief.

What kind of prayer?

 

[timothyu]

Then we should also honor the saints according to Matthew 12:50. Would they not be our Fathers according to that verse?

Anyone who follows the will of God before the will of man is just as worthy to Jesus as His immediate family was.
Besides, the saints who simply followed the will of God over man and dared step outside the control of man, were elevated by the church through spin rather than punishment, to be seen as being on an impossible level to reach for the masses. The churches way of saying the masses could not meet their standards. In that way the clergy made themselves necessary as middlemen whereas the masses could have all chosen God's will if given the chance. Job security.

 

[Albion]

The issue here is very definitely more than just honoring Mary or any other saint.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Anyone who follows the will of God before the will of man is just as worthy to Jesus as His immediate family was. Besides, the saints were just the churches way of saying those who followed the will of God were special and the masses could not meet their standards. In that way the clergy made themselves necessary as middlemen whereas the masses could have all chosen God's will if given the chance. Job security.

We are all called to be saints. As far as priests & bishops being “middlemen” I don’t know anything about that. Is that written in their catechism?

 

[timothyu]

Is that written in their catechism?

Is that scripture?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is that scripture?

I’m only asking because I’m wondering where you got this idea that the Roman church claims that priests and bishops are middlemen to God. Where did you get this information? Is it your own idea of the situation?

 

[timothyu]

I’m only asking because I’m wondering where you got this idea that the Roman church claims that priests and bishops are middlemen to God.

Any church. You have to admit withholding scriptures from the masses for centuries benefited the institution, not the people. God's Kingdom is built in God's image. Man's institutions are built in man's image.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I just think it is so unnecessary, and it is frustrating to hear people talk so much about her. She is honored to be the one who carried Christ for 9 months, but people have turned this into something God did not intend. It is the weakness of man to be tempted to take their eyes off of Jesus and look to the creature... :/

I complain that she is given too much attention.

So your objection is not that we honor Mary, but how much? Then why not just leave her at Christmas with "'round yon virgin mother and child"? How much is too much? And who are you, or anyone else, to say how much we should honor her? Along with "All generations will call me blessed", what about the Commandment to honor your mother and father? She is the spiritual mother of the Christian Church, after all.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Is that scripture?

Does it matter if it's "scripture"? We believe that the Word of God incorporates more than simply Scripture. Without the rest to provide context, you lose meaning, as is very evident in Protestantism.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The issue here is very definitely more than just honoring Mary or any other saint.

To you. The question is how much is too much, and who are you to determine the answer to that?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Depends on what "honor" means.

Well, you have to look up the original words. Latria, dulia, and hyper-dulia. Check them out. One is 'worship of God reserved for Him alone. One is honor due to the saints, and one is honor due to Mary.

I saw you edited out something about people kneeling before representations of saints. I wonder if you carry any pictures of dead relatives, or have any of them in your home. Why? Are you worshiping them? No. And prayer doesn't necessarily equal worship.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Any church. You have to admit withholding scriptures from the masses for centuries benefited the institution, not the people. God's Kingdom is built in God's image. Man's institutions are built in man's image.

When did that happen? Oh, let's see...before the invention of the printing press, and before most common people were able to read it? Yes, that's when! As I said somewhere else, quoting Gamaliel: If it's of God, no one can destroy it. If it's not of God, it will destroy itself. Catholic Church, still standing after 2000 years!
FYI, God left a visible sign of His Church when he ascended to heaven. Peter, the other apostles, the disciples, which is how the Catholic Church is structured...God also left an authority-the Church-to maintain all Truth, guided by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Lost4words]

Mary. Mother of Jesus. Both God and Man. Chosen before time began. Blessed. Holy. Virgin. Free from sin. Interceder between man and Her Son.

 

[Lost4words]

It appears what your really saying in the OP is you already know why they honor Mary and you believe they shouldn’t. Did Jesus honor Mary? Why shouldn’t we?

Of course He did. He entrusted Her to John at the foot of the cross. He listened to Her when She interceded at Cana.

Does not every son honour their mother?