Why 'just a theory'?

[AV1611VET]

Therefore...?

Therefore I know what I'm talking about.

Do you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I've seen it happen, Warden.

Paul was right.

If you say so...

 

[trophy33]

Therefore I know what I'm talking about.

Do you?

Well, I know what Paul is talking about, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Some people knew God, but became fools and began idolatry - worshiping images of men, birds, animals and reptiles instead of worshiping the invisible God.

Its not about Christians, science or atheism.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you say so...

If my memory serves me correctly, Split Rock, HitchSlap, and Hans Blaster are good examples.

 

[AV1611VET]

Some people knew God, but became fools and began idolatry -

Yes, and why did they?

... worshiping images of men, birds, animals and reptiles instead of worshiping the invisible God.

You left something out.

They "professed themselves to be wise."

Its not about Christians, science or atheism.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Going to see about getting a thread cleanup.

 

[trophy33]

Yes, and why did they?



You left something out.

They "professed themselves to be wise."



And I'm Genghis Khan.

You are desperately trying to do eisegesis - to insert the problems you face in the 21st century to the 1st century text.

Sorry, Paul is not talking about science, evolution or atheism. He is talking about his cultural context - pagan (and Jewish) idolatry.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

And yet... this Christian website has a science forum.... the very same forum we are typing on just now.

Now that's just interesting...

It's not a complaint. I just like to see them kept in their own swim lane, as they've done here. It's something that is often discussed in Christian circles because for some, they think it has an impact on God creating us. I don't, because I don't consider evolution of man to be a theory. I see it as an hypothesis. I'll be interested when it becomes a theory. That said, I believe the evolution of the Corvette can be tested in a lab.

 

[Astrid]

I kind of agree. Its shameful to hold false ideas as truth and dismissing evidence to the contrary, while professing believing in the God who said much about truth, wisdom and purity.

There's a lot of layers besides the insult to the intelligence
presumed to be endowed by god.

The claim that he drowned millions in a flood is
a pretty heavy charge against a god of love.
Considering that there was no such flood.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I see it as an hypothesis. I'll be interested when it becomes a theory.

Why do you only see it as a hypothesis and not a theory?

 

[Astrid]

It's not a complaint. I just like to see them kept in their own swim lane, as they've done here. It's something that is often discussed in Christian circles because for some, they think it has an impact on God creating us. I don't, because I don't consider evolution of man to be a theory. I see it as an hypothesis. I'll be interested when it becomes a theory. That said, I believe the evolution of the Corvette can be tested in a lab.

Of course what you consider and what is, do differ.

in the event, nobody in what, 170 yrs of trying has
had any luck disproving the theory.
Like not one (1) contrary fact.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

You are desperately trying to do eisegesis - to insert the problems you face in the 21st century to the 1st century text.

Sorry, Paul is not talking about science, evolution or atheism. He is talking about his cultural context - pagan (and Jewish) idolatry.

I've actually started interpreting a lot of scripture that way. I just did my own study of the epistles. What I find is that they were ALL written to a particular person (or church) to address particular problems. Yet we often apply it to us today as if it were written "to" us today. Case in point, the idea about obeying all leaders. Taken literall for the last 2000 years it would apply to a lot of despots, e.g. Hitler. And it would make the founding fathers of the US sinners for the American Revolution.

I believe the concepts presented in the NT to be general in perspective. Like your dad saying to look both ways before crossing the street. And stopping at all stop signs. They are general principles that a person with a thinking brain and average IQ can reason out for themself in every specific situation. We're able to discern the "why" for the principle and understand when it may be time to violate it. Like when someone hides Anne Frank.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Of course what you consider and what is, do differ.

in the event, nobody in what, 170 yrs of trying has
had any luck disproving the theory.
Like not one (1) contrary fact.

Like I said, I've left the argument behind. There are more important things for us to consider. But it is fun, kinda like discussing the future of EV's is fun, or "what if Hitler had won the war" is fun to some.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are desperately trying to do eisegesis - to insert the problems you face in the 21st century to the 1st century text.

Sorry, Paul is not talking about science, evolution or atheism. He is talking about his cultural context - pagan (and Jewish) idolatry.

Next you'll be telling me Job didn't speak of electronic communications, won't you?

Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

 

[trophy33]

I've actually started interpreting a lot of scripture that way. I just did my own study of the epistles. What I find is that they were ALL written to a particular person (or church) to address particular problems. Yet we often apply it to us today as if it were written "to" us today. Case in point, the idea about obeying all leaders. Taken literall for the last 2000 years it would apply to a lot of despots, e.g. Hitler. And it would make the founding fathers of the US sinners for the American Revolution.

I believe the concepts presented in the NT to be general in perspective. Like your dad saying to look both ways before crossing the street. And stopping at all stop signs. They are general principles that a person with a thinking brain and average IQ can reason out for themself in every specific situation. We're able to discern the "why" for the principle and understand when it may be time to violate it. Like when someone hides Anne Frank.

General principles are not eisegesis. Eisegesis is when you try to force another context/meaning into the text.

 

[trophy33]

Next you'll be telling me Job didn't speak of electronic communications, won't you?

Yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

The claim that he drowned millions in a flood is a pretty heavy charge against a god of love.

Considering that there was no such flood.

Then that should make you respect Him more, shouldn't it?

 

[Reasonably Sane]

General principles are not eisegesis. Eisegesis is when you try to force another context/meaning into the text.

Kinda like what I do regarding Paul's comments that nature teaches us that women's hair is long and men's hair is short?

Naked Bible 86: The Head Covering of 1 Corinthians 11:13-15

This episode begins a series of topical episodes following the end of our series on Leviticus. The topic for this episode is the controversial head covering reference in 1 Cor. 11:13-15. The discussion summarizes the material discussed in a scholarly journal article published in 2004 by Dr. Troy...

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[AV1611VET]

I've actually started interpreting a lot of scripture that way. I just did my own study of the epistles. What I find is that they were ALL written to a particular person (or church) to address particular problems. Yet we often apply it to us today as if it were written "to" us today.

What do you think this passage means?

Hebrews 4:12a For the word of God is quick,

 

[Reasonably Sane]

There's a lot of layers besides the insult to the intelligence
presumed to be endowed by god.

The claim that he drowned millions in a flood is
a pretty heavy charge against a god of love.

Ever heard of tough love? And when one sees this world as sort of a training center, preceding a more "real" life, I see that as hard training to more better prepare one. Don't worry. This life is not all there is. It's hard because it teaches. And some learn a lot from it and some simply get bitter. Their choice and their responsibility.