Why John 6:37-40 Can’t Support Eternal Security

[BNR32FAN]

This conflicts with clear apostolic teaching: Simon Magnus....Scripture clearly states he believed and fell away

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere,​

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Acts 8:21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God.​

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Simon believed and was baptized under the apostolic supervision of Peter and John. This is what the plain text says and means.

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Our Lord also said in the Parable of the Sower some will believe and fall away....

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20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.​

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So then what is the basis for individuals in American Evangelism to believe a person who falls away, was never saved? Answer: They add to Scripture....they add an adverb or adjective that is not apart of the body of Apostolic teaching...as evidence with your quotations in you post.



Modern evangelicalism makes an artificial and false distinction between a believer and a TRUE believer. This distinction is found NO WHERE in Scripture and is used as a prop to promote some of their pet beliefs. This is a horrid distinction because it just causes confusion in the minds of Christians....especially new Christians. "Do I believe or do I truly believe?" So now guilt is placed upon young believer who ask the question: Do I truly believe?

So if a Baptist were to back-slide.....the answer comes back....well he didn't really believe.... Only God can make that call who believes and doesn't believe....and a Christian who thinks they can make call.....transgresses the First Commandment.

The usage of the adverb/adjective "Truly/True is an assault on Scripture for it allows an individual to arbitrarily without apostolic support to declare who did believe or not believe. Only God can make that call....

Furthermore, this false distinction turns the Gospel into Law....

• The Gospel states because you believe the promises of Scripture....you have assurance of Salvation.
• The Law states only if you TRUELY believe.....you have the assurance of salvation....so now the Christian is faced with a life of torment and guilt....Do I believe or do I truly believe? And how do I know I truly believe? Law. Law. Law.

Baptists and American Evangelicals are real big on Sola Scriptura....except with this disgusting example of adding an adjectives and adverbs to Scripture.

Technically Simon was baptized by Philip. Peter & John weren’t there during the baptism of the Samaritans they were in Jerusalem. When they heard that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Spirit they came to Samaria and laid hands on everyone and that’s when they received the Holy Spirit. It’s not clear whether Simon had received the Holy Spirit or not in the passage.

 

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Jesus’ Sacrifice Was Once for All – If salvation could be lost, Jesus would have to come and die again each time (Hebrews 9:12, 26). But Scripture says He offered Himself once for all to secure eternal redemption.


2. Eternal Life Means Eternal – Jesus said, “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish” (John 10:28). If someone could lose salvation, then it wasn’t truly eternal to begin with.


3. Jesus Will Not Cast Anyone Out – “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will never cast out” (John 6:37). If salvation could be lost, Jesus would have to go back on this promise.


4. Salvation is a Gift, Not a Wage – If a person could lose salvation, it would mean they have to maintain it by works. But Romans 6:23 says salvation is a gift of God, not something we earn or keep by effort.


5. We Are Sealed by the Holy Spirit – “You were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance” (Ephesians 1:13-14). A guarantee means it cannot be revoked.


6. God Keeps Us, Not Ourselves – “Who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation” (1 Peter 1:5). If salvation could be lost, it would mean God’s power is insufficient to keep us.


7. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of Our Faith – Hebrews 12:2 calls Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. If we could lose salvation, that would mean He started something He couldn’t finish.


8. Nothing Can Separate Us from God – Romans 8:38-39 declares that nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ, not even ourselves.


9. God is Faithful Even When We Are Not – “If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself” (2 Timothy 2:13). If salvation depended on our faithfulness, we’d all be lost.


10. Believers Are Predestined for Glory – Romans 8:30 says those He justified, He also glorified. There is no mention of some falling away in the process.


11. Sin Was Paid for in Full – Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30). If salvation could be lost, then sin was not fully paid for.


12. God’s Grace is Greater Than Our Sin – “Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more” (Romans 5:20). If salvation could be lost by sin, grace would have a limit—but it doesn’t.


13. Salvation is Being Born Again – A person cannot be unborn once they are spiritually reborn (John 3:3-7).


14. Jesus Prayed for Our Security – In John 17:11-12, Jesus prayed that the Father would keep those given to Him. His prayers are always answered.


15. The Father Gives Believers to Jesus – John 10:29 says no one can snatch us from the Father’s hand. If we could lose salvation, it would mean we could overpower God.



These are clear, biblical reasons why salvation cannot be lost. If it could, it would contradict the very nature of God’s promises, Christ’s finished work, and the guarantee of the Holy Spirit.

Why can’t you answer the question about 2 Timothy 2:12? Nobody who advocates eternal security wants to answer that question. Everyone keeps avoiding that verse. Why? It’s obvious that everyone sees a problem with it otherwise they’d have no problem addressing it. I’m just quoting the word of God and trying to get everyone to see it in the context that of what’s actually written. I don’t understand why people feel the need to defend the doctrine of eternal security if it is contradictory to what Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 2:12. I’m not teaching anything I’m just quoting what Paul wrote. You can’t take the words “WE” and “US” and apply it to somebody else, that’s not what the words “we” and “us” mean. That’s not the context of what Paul actually wrote. We have to let the Bible teach what it teaches regardless of whether we like it or not, otherwise you’re just going to end up with an unbiblical theology.

 

[Clare73]

Why can’t you answer the question about 2 Timothy 2:12? Nobody who advocates eternal security wants to answer that question.
Everyone keeps avoiding that verse. Why? It’s obvious that everyone sees a problem with it otherwise they’d have no problem addressing it.

Not so. . .

If we disown him, we were never saved. Our faith was just counterfeit, which is why he disowns us.

The proof of the pudding (salvation) is in the eating (perseverance).

I’m just quoting the word of God and trying to get everyone to see it in the context that of what’s actually written. I don’t understand why people feel the need to defend the doctrine of eternal security if it is contradictory to what Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 2:12. I’m not teaching anything I’m just quoting what Paul wrote. You can’t take the words “WE” and “US” and apply it to somebody else, that’s not what the words “we” and “us” mean. That’s not the context of what Paul actually wrote. We have to let the Bible teach what it teaches regardless of whether we like it or not, otherwise you’re just going to end up with an unbiblical theology.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

The saved cannot fall away,

Apostacy is a Biblical term and teaching (as any Bible Dictionary will state). There will always be tension between the apostacy texts and examples in Scripture and John 10. And I can live with that tension. Do we pitch the apostacy texts in favor of the texts of Scripture you cite? I have no problem with people leaving the Christian faith for the parable of the sower applies to us all.

My original comments were towards this horrid interpretation of Scripture with the usage of True or Truly. Disgusting innovation.

For me, there is such a thing as apostacy in the NT.
For you, not....

And the debate continues, on and on and on.

I am done with apostacy.

 

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Jesus’ Sacrifice Was Once for All – If salvation could be lost, Jesus would have to come and die again each time (Hebrews 9:12, 26). But Scripture says He offered Himself once for all to secure eternal redemption.

Where’s “eternal redemption” anywhere in the entire book of Hebrews? It’s certainly nowhere in chapter 9. Chapter 9 simply compares between the OC sin offerings with Christ’s one time sin offering that I might add paid for the sins of the whole world, not just ours. On Judgement Day everyone will stand before Christ and He will either acknowledge you or accuse you before The Father. Just because our sins have been paid for doesn’t mean that Ge will acknowledge us because He paid for everyone’s sin, including those who reject Him.

 

[Clare73]

Apostacy is a Biblical term and teaching (as any Bible Dictionary will state). There will always be tension between the apostacy texts and examples in Scripture and John 10. And I can live with that tension. Do we pitch the apostacy texts in favor of the texts of Scripture you cite? I have no problem with people leaving the Christian faith for the parable of the sower applies to us all.

My original comments were towards this horrid interpretation of Scripture with the usage of True or Truly. Disgusting innovation.
For me, there is such a thing as apostacy in the NT.
For you, not....
And the debate continues, on and on and on.
I am done with apostacy.

We find the word apostasia (defection) in Ac 21:21, 2 Th 2:3, and an occurrence of it in 1 Jn 2:19.

It is the falling away of those with counterfeit faith: "they did not belong to us" (1 Jn 2:19).

True faith is kept by the power of God (1 Pe 1:5).
True faith does not apostasize.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus’ Sacrifice Was Once for All – If salvation could be lost, Jesus would have to come and die again each time (Hebrews 9:12, 26). But Scripture says He offered Himself once for all to secure eternal redemption.


2. Eternal Life Means Eternal – Jesus said, “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish” (John 10:28). If someone could lose salvation, then it wasn’t truly eternal to begin with.


3. Jesus Will Not Cast Anyone Out – “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will never cast out” (John 6:37). If salvation could be lost, Jesus would have to go back on this promise.


4. Salvation is a Gift, Not a Wage – If a person could lose salvation, it would mean they have to maintain it by works. But Romans 6:23 says salvation is a gift of God, not something we earn or keep by effort.


5. We Are Sealed by the Holy Spirit – “You were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance” (Ephesians 1:13-14). A guarantee means it cannot be revoked.


6. God Keeps Us, Not Ourselves – “Who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation” (1 Peter 1:5). If salvation could be lost, it would mean God’s power is insufficient to keep us.


7. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of Our Faith – Hebrews 12:2 calls Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. If we could lose salvation, that would mean He started something He couldn’t finish.


8. Nothing Can Separate Us from God – Romans 8:38-39 declares that nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ, not even ourselves.


9. God is Faithful Even When We Are Not – “If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself” (2 Timothy 2:13). If salvation depended on our faithfulness, we’d all be lost.


10. Believers Are Predestined for Glory – Romans 8:30 says those He justified, He also glorified. There is no mention of some falling away in the process.


11. Sin Was Paid for in Full – Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30). If salvation could be lost, then sin was not fully paid for.


12. God’s Grace is Greater Than Our Sin – “Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more” (Romans 5:20). If salvation could be lost by sin, grace would have a limit—but it doesn’t.


13. Salvation is Being Born Again – A person cannot be unborn once they are spiritually reborn (John 3:3-7).


14. Jesus Prayed for Our Security – In John 17:11-12, Jesus prayed that the Father would keep those given to Him. His prayers are always answered.


15. The Father Gives Believers to Jesus – John 10:29 says no one can snatch us from the Father’s hand. If we could lose salvation, it would mean we could overpower God.



These are clear, biblical reasons why salvation cannot be lost. If it could, it would contradict the very nature of God’s promises, Christ’s finished work, and the guarantee of the Holy Spirit.

Ok I’m going to address every one of these as soon as I get home, meanwhile see if you can come up with an interpretation of 2 Timothy 2:12 that doesn’t contradict what Paul specifically wrote.

 

[Clare73]

Ok I’m going to address every one of these as soon as I get home, meanwhile
see if you can come up with an interpretation of 2 Timothy 2:12 that doesn’t contradict what Paul specifically wrote.

Spoiler:

"If we disown him," we were never saved in the first place. Our faith was just counterfeit, which is why he disowns us.

"They went out from us because they did not belong to us" (1 Jn 2:19).

The proof of the pudding (salvation) is in the eating (perseverance).

 

[Longing to kneel]

Ok I’m going to address every one of these as soon as I get home, meanwhile see if you can come up with an interpretation of 2 Timothy 2:12 that doesn’t contradict what Paul specifically wrote.

2 Timothy 2:12 says:

"If we endure, we will also reign with Him; if we deny Him, He also will deny us."

Here’s an interpretation that does not contradict itself or the rest of Scripture:

1. This Verse is About Rewards and Reigning, Not Salvation – The context of 2 Timothy 2:12 is about faithfulness and endurance in service, not the loss of salvation. The first part says, “If we endure, we will also reign with Him”—which refers to reigning, not being saved. Reigning with Christ is a reward for faithfulness (Luke 19:17, Revelation 2:26).
2. "Deny Him" Refers to Earthly Consequences, Not Losing Salvation – The second part, “If we deny Him, He also will deny us,” must be understood in the full biblical context. Jesus used similar language in Matthew 10:33: “Whoever denies Me before men, I also will deny before My Father.” This is about earthly testimony and reward, not salvation. Peter denied Jesus three times (Luke 22:61), but was restored and never lost his salvation.
3. The Very Next Verse Secures Eternal Salvation – 2 Timothy 2:13 immediately follows with: “If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.” This proves that even when believers fail, Christ remains faithful because we are part of His body (1 Corinthians 12:27). If salvation could be lost, this verse wouldn’t make sense.
4. Paul is Addressing Service, Not Salvation – Paul is speaking to Timothy, a saved believer, encouraging endurance in ministry. The “denial” refers to loss of reward and fellowship, not the loss of salvation (1 Corinthians 3:15).

Conclusion:​

2 Timothy 2:12 is about the consequences of unfaithfulness, not the loss of salvation. The context supports that reigning with Christ is a privilege for those who endure, and denial results in loss of reward or testimony, not eternal separation. The next verse (2 Timothy 2:13) confirms that Christ’s faithfulness secures salvation, even when we fail. This interpretation aligns perfectly with the rest of Scripture and does not contradict itself.


This will be the last response I give on this topic and I will pray that you grow in knowledge and you grow in Christ and take comfort in his promise that a truly saved individual cannot lose their salvation. To imply so is shrinking the Lord's finished work. to live the Christian Life with the fear and doubt and anxiety of thinking one can lose their salvation if one has been truly saved is not how the Lord wants somebody to walk in him he wants his children to walk in full confidence of their salvation so they can have the maximum effectiveness for the kingdom of the Lord and His glory.

Not so they can revel in fear wondering if they are saved if they mess up here or mess up there. the devil will have a field day with you and you will never reach your full potential as long as you keep in this mindset of thinking the Lord's finished work is not enough and that you have to add to it somehow doing some things.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

True faith is kept by the power of God (1 Pe 1:5).
True faith does not apostasize.

Now there you go with this TRUE faith garbage. Unbelievable!

Please state chapter and vs. where the distinction is made. So Simon Magnus had faith but not TRUE faith. So the seed sown among the thorns sprouted roots but they were not REAL roots but fake roots. This added adjective/abverb to Scripture is all over the place in modern evangelicalism. And apparently you can't see it, as you use this stuff.

Just what is the difference between faith and TRUE faith? Between belief and TRUE belief?

And it doesn't take much faith to be a believer....size of a mustard seed.....Evangelicals seem like it needs to be as big as a Boeing 747.

Are you the kind of person who inquires of fellow church goers...."you say you believe, but do you REALLY believe?"

Such judgmental hubris here when extra biblical adjective and adverbs are added to Scripture.

Adjective and adverbs in this context are enemies of the gospel.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus’ Sacrifice Was Once for All – If salvation could be lost, Jesus would have to come and die again each time (Hebrews 9:12, 26). But Scripture says He offered Himself once for all to secure eternal redemption.

I explained this in post 85. Jesus paid for the sins of everyone, both believers and unbelievers so His sacrifice has nothing to do with whether He is going to acknowledge a person on Judgement Day or accuse them.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

It is the falling away of those with counterfeit faith: "they did not belong to us" (1 Jn 2:19).

Too narrowing defined.

If you want I can send you some Bible Dictionary links which give a wider view than you will allow. Bible Dictionaries follow a defined academic criteria, peer reviewed and with a name affixed to the article. Then you can argue with the entry if a wider meaning of the word apostacy is allowed, rather than only defined narrowly by I Jn 2:19.

In this day of the internet, the Bible Dictionary format is never followed such as Got Questions....no academic criteria and certainly no name affixed to the entry. CF is similar to Cable TV....opinions and certainly no academic criteria followed. And I gladly live in this environment. It is fun.

The age of the Bible Dictionary is gone.

 

[BNR32FAN]

2 Timothy 2:12 says:

"If we endure, we will also reign with Him; if we deny Him, He also will deny us."

Here’s an interpretation that does not contradict itself or the rest of Scripture:

1. This Verse is About Rewards and Reigning, Not Salvation – The context of 2 Timothy 2:12 is about faithfulness and endurance in service, not the loss of salvation. The first part says, “If we endure, we will also reign with Him”—which refers to reigning, not being saved. Reigning with Christ is a reward for faithfulness (Luke 19:17, Revelation 2:26).
2. "Deny Him" Refers to Earthly Consequences, Not Losing Salvation – The second part, “If we deny Him, He also will deny us,” must be understood in the full biblical context. Jesus used similar language in Matthew 10:33: “Whoever denies Me before men, I also will deny before My Father.” This is about earthly testimony and reward, not salvation. Peter denied Jesus three times (Luke 22:61), but was restored and never lost his salvation.
3. The Very Next Verse Secures Eternal Salvation – 2 Timothy 2:13 immediately follows with: “If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.” This proves that even when believers fail, Christ remains faithful because we are part of His body (1 Corinthians 12:27). If salvation could be lost, this verse wouldn’t make sense.
4. Paul is Addressing Service, Not Salvation – Paul is speaking to Timothy, a saved believer, encouraging endurance in ministry. The “denial” refers to loss of reward and fellowship, not the loss of salvation (1 Corinthians 3:15).

Conclusion:​

2 Timothy 2:12 is about the consequences of unfaithfulness, not the loss of salvation. The context supports that reigning with Christ is a privilege for those who endure, and denial results in loss of reward or testimony, not eternal separation. The next verse (2 Timothy 2:13) confirms that Christ’s faithfulness secures salvation, even when we fail. This interpretation aligns perfectly with the rest of Scripture and does not contradict itself.


This will be the last response I give on this topic and I will pray that you grow in knowledge and you grow in Christ and take comfort in his promise that a truly saved individual cannot lose their salvation. To imply so is shrinking the Lord's finished work. to live the Christian Life with the fear and doubt and anxiety of thinking one can lose their salvation if one has been truly saved is not how the Lord wants somebody to walk in him he wants his children to walk in full confidence of their salvation so they can have the maximum effectiveness for the kingdom of the Lord and His glory.

Not so they can revel in fear wondering if they are saved if they mess up here or mess up there. the devil will have a field day with you and you will never reach your full potential as long as you keep in this mindset of thinking the Lord's finished work is not enough and that you have to add to it somehow doing some things.

If you would just watch the video I demonstrated why all of this is completely wrong. You’re giving the exact same argument that Bob Wilkin gave in the video I posted and I go thru every point he made and demonstrated why he’s wrong. Did you watch the video?

Denying Christ is about earthly consequences? Then you quote Matthew 10? So Jesus’ statements in Mathew 10 was about earthly consequences?

“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be SAVED.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

This is earthly consequences?

“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭28‬ ‭NASB 1995

Or what about this one?

““Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him BEFORE MY FATHER who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭32‬-‭33‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

All of these passages are from the same exact conversation in Matthew 10.

Being denied before The Father results in earthly consequences? Do you have any idea when this takes place? This is on Judgement Day when we stand before Christ AFTER everyone is taken up from the earth.

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭11‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

How is Christ denying anyone before The Father going to result in earthly consequences when nobody will be on earth on Judgement Day?

2 Timothy 2:13 secures eternal salvation? 2 Timothy 2:13 is Paul telling Timothy that if we are faithless (Apisteo) which means

◄ 569. apisteó ►

Strong's Lexicon apisteó: To disbelieve, to be unfaithful, to doubt​ Original Word: ἀπιστέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: apisteó Pronunciation: ah-pees-TEH-oh Phonetic Spelling: (ap-is-teh'-o) Definition: To disbelieve, to be unfaithful, to doubt Meaning: I am unfaithful, disbelieve, refuse belief, prove false. Word Origin: Derived from the Greek word ἄπιστος (apistos), meaning "unbelieving" or "faithless." Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Hebrew equivalent often associated with disbelief or lack of faith is אֱמוּנָה (emunah), which means faithfulness or trust. However, the concept of disbelief is more contextually found in terms like מָאֵן (ma'en), meaning to refuse or reject. Usage: The verb ἀπιστέω (apisteó) primarily conveys the act of disbelief or lack of faith. It is used in the New Testament to describe a refusal to trust or believe in God, His promises, or His messengers. This term often highlights a spiritual condition of skepticism or doubt, particularly in relation to the gospel message and the person of Jesus Christ.

Paul is telling Timothy that if we are faithless Jesus remains faithful to do exactly what He said He would do to those who deny Him.

“And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, IN ORDER TO PRESENT YOU BEFORE HIM holy and blameless and beyond reproach IF INDEED YOU CONTINUE IN THE FAITH FIRMLY ESTABLISHED AND STEADFAST, AND HAVE NOT MOVED AWAY FROM THE HOPE OF THE GOSPEL that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭21‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Jesus will present us before The Father holy, blameless , and beyond reproach IF we remain steadfast in our faith in the gospel. NOT REGARDLESS of whether we remain steadfast in our faith.

How many times does the Bible say we are SAVED BY FAITH, and now you’re translating 1 Timothy 2:13 to say THE EXACT OPPOSITE. Now we don’t even need faith to be saved, hence the title to my video “who needs faith I’m saved anyways”.

Any why all the sudden did you change your interpretation of verse 12? Before you were saying that verse 12 was about unbelievers not about Paul and Timothy.

True believers will persevere in faith, but some who initially appear to be saved may prove to never have been genuinely saved in the first place, as evidenced by their apostasy (1 John 2:19). In other words, while someone might seem saved, a deliberate rejection of Christ shows that their faith was never fully genuine.

Now you seem to have changed your mind all the sudden. What did you do go watch some commentary videos?

It’s absolutely incredible that you’re trying to apply 1 John 2:19 in response to 2 Timothy 2:12 SINCE THERE ARE NO UNBELIEVERS IN 2 TIMOTHY 2:12!! THAT’S PRECISELY WHY I USE THIS PASSAGE!!

 

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2. Eternal Life Means Eternal – Jesus said, “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish” (John 10:28). If someone could lose salvation, then it wasn’t truly eternal to begin with.

15. The Father Gives Believers to Jesus – John 10:29 says no one can snatch us from the Father’s hand. If we could lose salvation, it would mean we could overpower God.

I already addressed both of these in post 54

 

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3. Jesus Will Not Cast Anyone Out – “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will never cast out” (John 6:37). If salvation could be lost, Jesus would have to go back on this promise.

I addressed this in the video in the OP it’s literally what this thread is all about. HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED IT?

 

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4. Salvation is a Gift, Not a Wage – If a person could lose salvation, it would mean they have to maintain it by works. But Romans 6:23 says salvation is a gift of God, not something we earn or keep by effort.

This is another ridiculous claim. Let me ask you, is it considered a work for us to believe in order to be saved? If not then how does believing somehow become a work after you’re saved? Absolutely absurd!

 

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5. We Are Sealed by the Holy Spirit – “You were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance” (Ephesians 1:13-14). A guarantee means it cannot be revoked.

Already addressed this in post 70.

 

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6. God Keeps Us, Not Ourselves – “Who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation” (1 Peter 1:5). If salvation could be lost, it would mean God’s power is insufficient to keep us.

THRU FAITH GENIUS. Do we have faith while we’re denying Christ? Do we have faith when we are faithless?

 

[BNR32FAN]

7. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of Our Faith – Hebrews 12:2 calls Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. If we could lose salvation, that would mean He started something He couldn’t finish.

Again if you’d watched my videos you would’ve seen Luke 13:6-9

“And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’ ””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13‬:‭6‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So according to what Jesus said here does every tree that He tries to save bear fruit? Did Jesus start something He couldn’t finish in this parable?

“Every branch IN ME that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Does every branch IN CHRIST bear fruit? And if you’d watched the video you’d know the definition of the Greek word Airo that’s translated here as “takes away” but should actually be translated as cuts off or removes. Did Jesus start something He couldn’t finish?

“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭19‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“But the testimony which I receive is not from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭34‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

This one above Jesus said to unbelieving Jews who were seeking to kill Him. Then in the verse below He tells them that He will not be their accuser before The Father but Moses will.

“Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭45‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Did Jesus start something He couldn’t finish?

What all of these verses have in common is that they indicate that Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith IF WE COOPERATE WITH HIM. And if we don’t cooperate we can lose our salvation. There’s no autopilot mode to salvation where we just sit back and everything happens automatically.

 

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8. Nothing Can Separate Us from God – Romans 8:38-39 declares that nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ, not even ourselves.

“For God so loved the world”. Does that mean that the whole world will be saved? This has nothing to do with salvation.