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Does it even matter? I mean, Paul didn't prohibit Jews from practicing their traditions. But it's giving it spiritual credit that is the danger, right?Don't Messianic Jews [Jews converted to Jesus] still practice 8th day circumcision?
I realize a Jew that was circumcised before coming to Christ can't "un-circumcise" themselves, but what about those converted Jews or proselytes still circumcising their male children on the 8th day who are born to them since their conversion?
Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, so it is a dead meaningless ritual. = there are no valid physical Jews today in the biblical sense. Only those with circumcised hearts (believers in Christ).Don't Messianic Jews [Jews converted to Jesus] still practice 8th day circumcision?
I realize a Jew that was circumcised before coming to Christ can't "un-circumcise" themselves, but what about those converted Jews or proselytes still circumcising their male children on the 8th day who are born to them since their conversion?
This is fairly confusing to me and perhaps my facts aren't right about MJ's?
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...tands-today-against-the-circumcision.7411038/
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/im-circumcised-christ-shall-profit-me-nothing.8053209/
You are spouting the devilish lie of replacement theology. I have tried to give you a better perspective, but until God opens your eyes to it, I guess you cannot receive it.Only a spiritual component from among them who accept Jesus will God reattach. Jesus IS Israel in the NT and we are his body. Spiritual body obviously.
Not meaningless according to Galatians:Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, so it is a dead meaningless ritual. = there are no valid physical Jews today in the biblical sense. Only those with circumcised hearts (believers in Christ).
God did not replace Israel. He broke off unbelievers from it. Paul, the Apostles and thousands of believers remained Israel.You are spouting the devilish lie of replacement theology. I have tried to give you a better perspective, but until God opens your eyes to it, I guess you cannot receive it.
But I tell you, it prevents you from fulfilling your “great commission.” In Romans 11 it says that the gospel came to the Gentiles to make Israel jealous. Physical Israel.
But if you continue to believe that the physical dependents of Jacob are NOT Israel, that throws the entire concept of the gospel “to the Jew First” on its head.
Yes, and is fallen from grace.Not meaningless according to Galatians:
“He who receives circumcision is obligated to the whole Law.”
Not quite true. It applied to the foreigner who chose to live in the land.But, the law applied only to the circumcised.
So Timothy fell from grace? Paul circ’d him in Acts 16 since he had a Jewish mother.Yes, and is fallen from grace.
“For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” (Galatians 5:3–4)
“I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” (Exodus 20:2–3)Not quite true. It applied to the foreigner who chose to live in the land.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/strangers-and-gentiles
The Jews tried to kill Paul several times for teaching against Moses. He appeased them by making Timothy look like a Jew. But Paul taught against circumcision many times to his own wounding and imprisonment.So Timothy fell from grace? Paul circ’d him in Acts 16 since he had a Jewish mother.
And as had been said, Us Messianics circ our boys as well.
If it didn't matter, then circumcision wouldn't be up for debate........Does it even matter? I mean, Paul didn't prohibit Jews from practicing their traditions. But it's giving it spiritual credit that is the danger, right?
No. It w not for teaching against Moses. It was for teaching Jesus.The Jews tried to kill Paul several times for teaching against Moses. He appeased them by making Timothy look like a Jew. But Paul taught against circumcision many times to his own wounding and imprisonment.
“Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.” (Acts 6:11)No. It was. Not for teaching against Moses. It was for teaching Jesus.
Read Acts 21. Paul teaching New Covenant believing Jews to abandon Moses was a lie.
Dave L said: ↑
The Jews tried to kill Paul several times for teaching against Moses. He appeased them by making Timothy look like a Jew. But Paul taught against circumcision many times to his own wounding and imprisonment.
Dave-W said: ↑
No. It was. Not for teaching against Moses. It was for teaching Jesus.
Read Acts 21. Paul teaching New Covenant believing Jews to abandon Moses was a lie
Ya gotta admit, Paul was pretty brave to enter the Temple in Jerusalem, the "Den of Wolves", but duty called...............“Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.” (Acts 6:11)
Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea (ca. A.D. 360) explicitly condemns the veneration of the Sabbath and enjoins working on such a day in order to show a special respect for Sunday:
Source: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm
Which churches believe this today?
Roman Catholic?
Eastern Orthodox?
Any others?
What does anathema mean in this canon?
And they were either lying or hearing something they wanted to hear.“Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.” (Acts 6:11)
They tried to kill Paul many times because he taught against circumcision and animal sacrifice saying Christ paid for our sins which meant an end to the Law.And they were either lying or hearing something they wanted to hear.
Paul never taught against Moses. And neither did Jesus.
Tell me - why do you believe the testimony of men who were trying to kill him?
Paul taught against GENTILES being circumcised. He never taught against Jewish believers being circumcised.They tried to kill Paul many times because he taught against circumcision and animal sacrifice saying Christ paid for our sins which meant an end to the Law.
All of the Jews in Paul's audience were already circumcised. But the Apostles did not require it from the gentile converts. In fact, they never mentioned keeping any of the law. Which also meant Jews were not required to keep it either. We are one body in Christ.Paul taught against GENTILES being circumcised. He never taught against Jewish believers being circumcised.
He also taught that sin offerings were ineffective. Our Lord’s sacrifice was so much greater in that regard. But AFAICT, he did not teach against other non-sin sacrifices like the thank offering and peace offering.
And in Acts 21 we even see him participating in sin offerings - the ending of the Nazirite vows for himself and 4 other men.
No one ever claimed Moses broke the Law......And they were either lying or hearing something they wanted to hear.
Paul never taught against Moses. And neither did Jesus.
Tell me - why do you believe the testimony of men who were trying to kill him?
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