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Why Islam is not Christian

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To be fair, I would think most Muslims would define it in such a way as to mean "Submission to God", which is certainly not anything foreign to Christianity (or Judaism, as far as I know). Granted, in the experience of the non-Muslim populations of the Middle East it did mean submission to Arab-Muslim governance, law, and religion, but it's still a distinction that can be made between how the religion sees itself and how it has actually behaved in the world.

(More to your point/disgusting is the fact that the word that is used in Arabic for the Muslim conquests -- which are openly and positively recognized as conquests in Muslim literature written in Arabic -- is fatH فتح / futuH فتوح -- literally "opening(s)", in the sense of opening the world outside of Arabia proper to the rule of Islam. Gross.)
It always ends up meaning submission to the Islamic jihadists since they believe that their every action is the will of God and that God only acts through them. I think that's why the Mughal emperors, for example, seemed to think of themselves as gods.
 
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I have been thinking about the religion that Mohammed founded and I find it quite interesting that Islam means submission. It does fit in with his history and mindset of being a warlord. Islam never was or never has been a peaceful religion in it's teachings.
and that is why I don't know what Muslim faith the popes are meaning when they say we have esteem for them.
 
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and that is why I don't know what Muslim faith the popes are meaning when they say we have esteem for them.
Isn't this just in the latest catechism? This is a relatively new thought isn't it?
 
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Just to float this out there. Christian Heresy with a big H is to be a Catholic who teaches or leaves the Church for heresy. You have to be a baptized Catholic to be a heretic. Formal heretic that is. All others who are born into other Christian faiths that teach heresy are material heretics, not to be charged with actual heresy because a true heretic is to be Catholic who teaches or leaves for heresy. So, there is no way Muslims are Christian heretics. You gotta be baptized Catholic to be one or have been in union with the CC and split or have left the Catholic Church to do your own thing.
 
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I do not understand the thought of since they acknowledge Mary or Jesus, no matter how...it is the same God.

While I do not think that is exactly what the CCC is saying it is how it is understood for the most part. And even Muslims disagree.
Nope. Since V2. Bishop Sheen wrote a book, Mary and the Muslims. But here's what I find odd, why then were they called Moslems.
 
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I'd have to look it up, but I think Joseph Smith at least started out as a Christian before he founded Mormonism. But Muhammad wasn't even a Christian to begin with.
That's basically it but both Mormons and the JWs (who also began as Christians) are not heretics, nor is those religions considered Christian. They are a separate false religion who has a Christian influence. You have to be trinitarian baptized to be a Christian anything. Heretics are baptized Catholics who teach error, who do not recant and go off and start their own Trinitarian denomination that baptizes in the name of the Trinity. Martin Luther is the prime example. He's formal heretic. His church is heresy. Lutherans today, material heretics, not formal because to be formal, you gotta be baptized Catholic.
 
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Muslims don't believe Christ is God. Christians do. There's the answer.
It is that simple. What makes anyone Christian is baptism in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They have that, oh what's it called, a form of Pentecostals I wanna say,nwho baptizes only in the name of Jesus. That is invalid so they aren't Christian and their faith would not be heresy but a false religion. If its not Christian, its flase.
 
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I do not understand the thought of since they acknowledge Mary or Jesus, no matter how...it is the same God.

While I do not think that is exactly what the CCC is saying it is how it is understood for the most part. And even Muslims disagree.
I don't either. I assume it to mean that since they claim they believe in Abraham's God (who is God), we share that with them and that professed belief in God , in secret, only God knows ways, they may, not that they will but may be if able to be saved because Jesus Christ died for this purpose. To open the gates of God's mercy.
 
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then you assume that the creation of the secular state of Israel is some how "prophetic"?
hardly, The Jews restoration of Isreal...how they restored it, Not cool but I'll digress. Im always amazed why a Christian would think restoring Isreal is a of God. Did God not destroy them in 70 AD? Did Jesus not say, it is finished? No need to restore Isreal, that ship sailed 2000 years ago but I digress.
 
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