Why is this ok when God does it but bad when we(humans) do this?

[Robin Mauro]

No, I KNOW exactly how you feel! But God is opposite of this world and views circumstances and troubles the exact opposite as we do. Those who suffer the most will be first in the kingdom. Worldly blessings mean zero!
And look again to our Lord Christ. He was despised, considered rejected, abandoned, and cursed by God, when God did THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the world's view.
Hang in there. I have been exactly where you are. Cling to Jesus. He is the exact representation of God, and He Loves You! And me too!
I have to remind myself of that, continually
And I added to my original post. Not sure if you saw that.

 

[Dave G.]

If He's leaving us to our own devices why does God talk about being a comforter and promises? Also back to my question, to my knowledge none of us asked to be here so why Is God elusive for some during their time of need ?

We come to Christ, born again we receive the Spirit/comforter. We are taught and then we have unction to enact the Spirit by our action in the spirit. Your very doubting God here ( I'm trying to show something not pick on you) is a damper to that end. We cut ourselves off from the Spirit, the comforter. He wants us to stay true and in the faith. Hey we live in a fallen world and men/society, we ourselves make bad choices. The stronger you are in living in the spirit the stronger the Spirit will be living in you. We must lean on Him, He wants us to lean on Him.

Let me ask this : Do you have a prayer closet ( a place set aside to fellowship with God in the spirit) ? If so do you use it ? Do you keep notes and check lists ? Do you have weekly scripture to study on and have that pinned up as a reminder to you ? Church life, body life, prayer lists ( multi) ? We have all spiritual blessings in heavenly places, we are promised authority in Christ Jesus' name. Do you enact that ? Do you believe Him one on one for your life, never mind what you see in the world ? Start checking some of those things off and watch your spiritual walk grow and you will turn into a warrior for Christ. Not that things won't go wrong, they will but His peace will get you through. And that all starts by believing not doubting God. Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness, in a time when that was rare. And he didn't promise a pink Cadillac or even perfect health but He did promise eternal life ! Amen

 

[Robin Mauro]

No, I KNOW exactly how you feel! But God is opposite of this world and views circumstances and troubles the exact opposite as we do. Those who suffer the most will be first in the kingdom. Worldly blessings mean zero!
And look again to our Lord Christ. He was despised, considered rejected, abandoned, and cursed by God, when God did THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the world's view.
Hang in there. I have been exactly where you are. Cling to Jesus. He is the exact representation of God, and He Loves You! And me too!
I have to remind myself of that, continually
And I added to my original post. Not sure if you saw that.

That was in response to Olivet's response to me. This website doesn't always work right on my phone

 

[Robin Mauro]

Oh, and Olivet, we don't actually know if we asked to be here or not. If souls are eternal, perhaps we did ask before we came, but that was hidden from us down here.

 

[paul1149]

Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

God has delegated His authority to the church, to "go into all the world and make disciples of all nations". It is up to us to spread the Gospel with its worldview, to help people overcome. But there is no small amount of resistance. And indeed evil seems to be on the march.

God also has an eternal perspective that we lack. "This momentary light affliction is working an eternal weight of glory."

All that said, Jesus left us with the challenge, that whatever we believe, without doubting, we will receive. Given that to be true, it seems our faith level could use a momentous uplift.

 

[Olivet]

Oh, and Olivet, we don't actually know if we asked to be here or not. If souls are eternal, perhaps we did ask before we came, but that was hidden from us down here.

I think of this as well. It's the only way things make sense to me. So I accept this answer completely.

 

[Olivet]

God has delegated His authority to the church, to "go into all the world and make disciples of all nations". It is up to us to spread the Gospel with its worldview, to help people overcome. But there is no small amount of resistance. And indeed evil seems to be on the march.

God also has an eternal perspective that we lack. "This momentary light affliction is working an eternal weight of glory."

All that said, Jesus left us with the challenge, that whatever we believe, without doubting, we will receive. Given that to be true, it seems our faith level could use a momentous uplift.

This is true. Very true.

 

[klutedavid]

I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.

In all honesty, God should have destroyed this world along time ago. But God did not do what His righteous justice demanded.

God became one of us and that was an immense step to take. Jesus stepped down from the throne and became a Jew, over two thousand years ago. Jesus became one of us in the greatest act of love that the universe will ever witness. Not only did Jesus take on this fallen form, Jesus humbled Himself and allowed Himself to be crucified.

Life on this planet is very short and our suffering is but a blink in time. Heaven on the other hand is an eternal realm of peace, joy and wonder.

Just forget these momentary afflictions and look upward. You don't have long to wait.

Rejoice, I will repeat that. Rejoice!

 

[Magnanimity]

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

I mean, in one important way, I’m completely with you. If the concept that Christ is going to use to talk about God with relation to us is that of being a parent (Father), then yes there would seem to be certain responsibilities that flow from that. So whatever we know to be true of the parents here on earth, since that is the concept being used by Christ to speak of God, then you’re right—a completely disengaged and hands-off approach would seem inappropriate. If God is our heavenly father, then he wills and works for our good in similar ways in which earthly fathers do the same to their children. Either God is this way toward all his human creatures, or referring to him as a Father is an improper analogy. God “causes it to rain on the just and the unjust” alike. And if we “being evil, know how to give good
Gifts to our children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him?” Matthew 7

Im talking about Romans 9:18 "Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."

Some of Saint Paul’s verses can be lifted from their immediate contexts and be fine, but I don’t think this is one such occasion. Romans chapters 9 through 11 is one extended thought about the fate of the Jews. So that verse here occurs within that entire thought experiment, the conclusion of which is that “and thus all Israel will be saved.“ Romans 11:26. Sounds pretty hopeful, right?

But I do sympathize with the overall thrust of this thread and the questions that you are asking. It is always tough when you internally feel as if God is either silent or ambivalent toward you.

 

[Greengardener]

Some of the problem is that we are constantly dealing with the world's sense of fairness and the limited and sometimes off-center preaching from the Bible. If we could just step back and take a higher look, I think things would be clearer.

God made us all, but the only way to make us in His image was to give us choice. He told us what would work and what wouldn't.

Wow, did we screw it up. God wasn't surprised. He had a plan in place, a high price for that relationship with us that He wanted, the death and resurrection of His #1 Son. He was patient a long time and His patience was often misinterpreted as agreement for what wrong things people were doing. We can't see from His perspective, being temporal. He's got eternity on His side: He can raise us from the dead, and not only that, He intends to do just that. This life isn't all there is. The story is there in the Bible. Don't allow yourself to be limited to what other people say about the Bible unless you really want to stay in the same uncomfortable place you find yourself with these questions. What you seek is actually in that Book.

His words will infuse your life with faith. I encourage you to read your Bible as if your life depended on it. Compare what He said in the Old Testament with the teachings of Jesus and His disciples. Compare what was written as history with what the prophets said. Get the big picture and dig out all the details. Be amazed at how much good information God gave us that we've all overlooked.

If Jesus answered Thomas and showed Thomas His pierced side and hands, how much more does your Father love you and want you to have faith? Faith comes by hearing what He says. Best to you, Olivet!

 

[Neogaia777]

I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.

Struggle makes us better, smarter, stronger, and it qualifies us for the ultimate reward in the end, and the others will not ever see that reward either in the end, so sometimes He allows us to go through it...

I know a family who had a pretty bad childhood, well, somewhat bad, depends on what you compare it too, etc, and they are much older now, and I've heard one of them say that their parents never had any business ever having kids, etc, and I thought to myself, yeah, and you also would never ever even exist either, so which would you rather have, I mean, your here now, your out of it now, but he/they still choose to hang onto the past, and be very angry and very bitter about it, and take it out on others around them, and are still miserable now because of it, and I think that is very, very sad, etc...

We don't stay in it forever, but you've got to have the right kind of attitude, once your out of it, to truly be out of it, etc...

I think they like it personally, some of them anyway, gives them some kind of right to have a superior air, and mistreat and abuse everyone around them, just like their parents or whomever, did to them, etc...

The specific one I am talking about right now, I know physically abuses his wife even right now, and does so pretty badly, etc...

And just knowing him, I think it has to be a lot of personal hell for his wife to be with him right now, etc, wasn't always that way, but it is now, etc, she supports him too, and he won't do anything about that either, and still thinks he has a right, etc...

He's turned into a real piece of crap now, if you ask me, and I was married to his sister for many years, and she was horrible, etc...

They're almost way old now, and yet they still think because of things that happened, way, way back in their childhood, gives them the right to be jerk-offs, and be way, way horribly abusive, etc...

They think everyone else is stupid too, but who's the stupid ones, never ever letting any of that go at all ever, and now your old, etc...

They fight with each other too, and hang onto grudges with each other now that they'll probably never ever get over or ever let go of now, etc...

It's very sad...

A whole divided miserable family, who's probably going to take all of that crap to the grave...

Anyway, they wouldn't even exist if their parents hadn't brought them into this world, and what they did, or what they became afterwards, was their choice, cause I saw how they could have easily chose differently, etc...

And God offers everyone that, etc, no matter how bad it was, etc... Key word here being "was", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[zoidar]

I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.

The answer is in the cross. Jesus won over evil, the devil, darkness through the cross. The victory is won, but we don't always see it in the world. God has set a time when the world will be judged and evil will get its just reward. Then there will be no more injustice, no more pain and God will wipe the tears from our eyes. That's why we pray: "Maranatha! Come oh Lord!" So it's done... finished! We just wait and creation with us, for liberation and the redemption of our bodies.

 

[ralliann]

This is the only way thing make sense , if things balance out in the end I guess.

our hope is not in this life or this world. Notice the rich man had the opportunity to help and did not.

 

[GraceBro]

I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.

May I suggest you should be at a crossroads in your faith. You have faith in the wrong God. All the conclusions you are making do not come from the God of the Bible. The Bible doesn't say God puts every person in the situations they grow up in. He can use them to bring people to Himself, however. People have horrendous lives, lonely lives, and struggle with mental illness because of sin. Jesus said to expect trouble in this world. He didn't say we would avoid it. I suggest you ask God to give you a clean slate. What is your understanding of the Gospel? Do you know your inheritance in Christ? When a person is having these difficulties, the problem is not with God, but with their understanding of God. Grace and Peace.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.

Check out these videos.

 

[Olivet]

May I suggest you should be at a crossroads in your faith. You have faith in the wrong God. All the conclusions you are making do not come from the God of the Bible. The Bible doesn't say God puts every person in the situations they grow up in. He can use them to bring people to Himself, however. People have horrendous lives, lonely lives, and struggle with mental illness because of sin. Jesus said to expect trouble in this world. He didn't say we would avoid it. I suggest you ask God to give you a clean slate. What is your understanding of the Gospel? Do you know your inheritance in Christ? When a person is having these difficulties, the problem is not with God, but with their understanding of God. Grace and Peace.

Perhaps you're right but my understanding is that God knows who we'll be born to and allows whatever we may go through bc of them. I guess I just wonder why and that's my problem. I wish I were simple then I'd have great faith.

 

[Olivet]

our hope is not in this life or this world. Notice the rich man had the opportunity to help and did not.

I guess you're right. I guess my faith will be bare minimum in that I only believe God is who he says He is and to simply take me to heaven when I die. I believe in his comfort , healing or whatever else He promises because of my life and the world and all the people hurting in it.

 

[lsume]

I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.

I’m confident that your first light taste of hell will change your feelings. The world has been enjoying the good light that God provides. Seek and you will find. I first tasted of The Perfect Love from God The Father while I was living in sin. When Christ came to me and opened my eyes and ears, it was the most exciting day of my life. You shall through much tribulation enter into The Kingdom of God. Sin separates us from Him. You have no hope of ending sin in your life without Christ setting you free. I’m praying for you.
Acts.14

1. [22] Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom.14

1. [11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Perhaps you're right but my understanding is that God knows who we'll be born to and allows whatever we may go through bc of them. I guess I just wonder why and that's my problem. I wish I were simple then I'd have great faith.

You have to think that every person who God knows will reject Him are essentially spitting in the face of Jesus Christ and His love in dying for their sins upon the cross. Their pain in this life is only temporary and not everyone suffers. But the point is faith. Trusting that God is good even when things are bad is not always easy. But we step out in faith in trusting in God, and His love regardless. For we walk by faith and not by sight (or feeling). God is good even if things may not appear to be good happening around us. Joseph was sold as a slave and thrown in prison, but he still trusted in God. Job lost his children, and his possessions, and his health, but he did not stop trusting in God. In the end, Job was rewarded for his faith in God. Evil exists in our world because God is waiting for the last man to repent. Pain exists in this world because we need to trust in God to get us through that pain. Jesus suffered more than most men upon the cross. God in the flesh suffered greatly in pain so as to pay the price for our sins. So when we are suffering, God knows what you are going through and the pain that is being caused upon you. Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own undertanding.

 

[GraceBro]

Perhaps you're right but my understanding is that God knows who we'll be born to and allows whatever we may go through bc of them. I guess I just wonder why and that's my problem. I wish I were simple then I'd have great faith.

I believe faith is our response to the truth God has revealed. And it is not about your "great faith." It is about our great God. There are many things God wants to reveal to us. However, many of them depend on us first understanding and believing in those things He has already revealed to us. That is where you start.