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Similarities is one thing, but connected cultural transfer is another. It is because certain parts of the Egyptian culture were transferred to Central America, and parts of the Central American culture was transferred to Northern America (i.e. pyramids etc.)So we move towards honesty.
That there are similarities between diverse cultures is a broad concept.
- By Michael Shermer, a critic of Graham Hancock:
- No, There Wasn't an Advanced Civilization 12,000 Years Ago
I think the documentation burned up after the white-bearded God.
Oh, maybe it just got lost.
An analogy of what happened after the white bearded God appeared to the peoples of the BOM, would be this:
During our civil war in the 1860's, the ugliness and cruelty was so intense that it lifted the people to higher and higher levels of war and destruction, only the south was winning.
Evetually, the south armies overcame the north armies and in their out-of-control anger, they went house to house and burned everthing. All of the businesses were burned, all the libraries were burned, especially burned was their churches and all good books about their God. Washington DC was burned to the ground along with the congressional library. The north is completely wiped out, and most of its people are either put to death or give an oath that they will join the south and not talk about the north again.
1,000 years go by, and the peoples of the south grow into a great nation. But wars within the nation continue to weaken the fabric of the nation and weaken it resolve to maintain order.
Finally, the people of china see a weakened people that they think they can conquer, and so they send 1.5 million men with their updated military equipment and strategies and completely take contol of the people of the south.
The chinese do exactly what the south did, it burned everything to the ground again, all the libraries are burned, all churhes, all books and histories, anything that would remind people of the people of the south.
500 years go by and the chinese people are so decadent that their society falls from within and a whole different society starts to form, they call themslves the united people. They regard freedom as a virtue and independence as a necessity, and God watches over all.
Another 200 years go by and this society flourishes and grows and becomes a great nation. The people have the time now to give to humanitarian interests because getting food and shelter is taken care of.
And so they start to dig into the past of this land. They knew quite a bit about the chinese, but they knew very little of the peoples of the south. Just some documents that were uncovered. But the peoples of the north were not known at all, until a treasure trove of hidden documents were found that did not belong to the chinese, or the peoples of the south.
Who were these ancient people of the north?
The people of the north = Nephites
The people of the south = Lamanites
The people of china = Spanish
The current people = The United States
It is because of the burnings and takeovers from 2 major peoples that the Nephite information is hard to come up with. Doesn't mean they were not there. It means their civilization was burnt and destroyed twice over. So to a certain extent, faith is one factor in believing.
I believe in some of the evidence already brought forth, and I believe more evidence will be brought forth. I also have faith that these people existed, because of a record of their civilization was kept and tells us about them, which incidently includes a belief in one Jesus Christ from Jerusalem, and keeping his commandment etc. I also have faith that they existed. And so I will continue to believe.
The civilizations of the BOM killed each other off entirely - millions of people vanish without a trace. POOF! Your north, south, china, current story does not fit the BOM narrative. So, lots of words that say not much of anything.An analogy of what happened after the white bearded God appeared to the peoples of the BOM, would be this:
During our civil war in the 1860's, the ugliness and cruelty was so intense that it lifted the people to higher and higher levels of war and destruction, only the south was winning.
Evetually, the south armies overcame the north armies and in their out-of-control anger, they went house to house and burned everthing. All of the businesses were burned, all the libraries were burned, especially burned was their churches and all good books about their God. Washington DC was burned to the ground along with the congressional library. The north is completely wiped out, and most of its people are either put to death or give an oath that they will join the south and not talk about the north again.
1,000 years go by, and the peoples of the south grow into a great nation. But wars within the nation continue to weaken the fabric of the nation and weaken it resolve to maintain order.
Finally, the people of china see a weakened people that they think they can conquer, and so they send 1.5 million men with their updated military equipment and strategies and completely take contol of the people of the south.
The chinese do exactly what the south did, it burned everything to the ground again, all the libraries are burned, all churhes, all books and histories, anything that would remind people of the people of the south.
500 years go by and the chinese people are so decadent that their society falls from within and a whole different society starts to form, they call themslves the united people. They regard freedom as a virtue and independence as a necessity, and God watches over all.
Another 200 years go by and this society flourishes and grows and becomes a great nation. The people have the time now to give to humanitarian interests because getting food and shelter is taken care of.
And so they start to dig into the past of this land. They knew quite a bit about the chinese, but they knew very little of the peoples of the south. Just some documents that were uncovered. But the peoples of the north were not known at all, until a treasure trove of hidden documents were found that did not belong to the chinese, or the peoples of the south.
Who were these ancient people of the north?
The people of the north = Nephites
The people of the south = Lamanites
The people of china = Spanish
The current people = The United States
It is because of the burnings and takeovers from 2 major peoples that the Nephite information is hard to come up with. Doesn't mean they were not there. It means their civilization was burnt and destroyed twice over. So to a certain extent, faith is one factor in believing.
I believe in some of the evidence already brought forth, and I believe more evidence will be brought forth. I also have faith that these people existed, because of a record of their civilization was kept and tells us about them, which incidently includes a belief in one Jesus Christ from Jerusalem, and keeping his commandment etc. I also have faith that they existed. And so I will continue to believe.
If you had read the BOM you would know that there were 2 major peoples.The civilizations of the BOM killed each other off entirely - millions of people vanish without a trace. POOF! Your north, south, china, current story does not fit the BOM narrative. So, lots of words that say not much of anything.
Many BOM burned cities have been found. This is the partial story on 1:You do realize that cities that have been destroyed, burned to the ground, leave that evidence of being burned down. They have found cities that were burned down, you can still the blackened, charred remains. Even in this country they found ancient ruins of indigenous tribes, they do leave behind things that don't completely burn down--even trinkets, jewelry, bones, pottery. In Norway they have found weapons only heard about, but now they have found them. Viking swords, even money. All over the world there are artifacts being dug up---Africa and China. And in tiny little countries like Costa Rica.
They have discovered literally layers of previous buildings on top of even more buildings. All the scans they have now show even more. Even Satan knows where these buried cities are. If God wants them found, Satan can't hide them. God will override. In God's timing, He shows what He wants. So, whether it is God or Satan that has kept your people buried -- they are still buried. Seems one or the other of them would want them found.
Your attempts to justify your non-history are entertaining. Were there any surviving Lamanites? If so, where are they? Where did they go? <POOF>If you had read the BOM you would know that there were 2 major peoples.
1) the Jaredites 2300bc - 600bc - Olmec peoples of history
2) the Nephites and Lamanites 600bc to present.
The Jaredites/Olmec did almost completely annihilate each other in a civil war. Their battle results were present years after and are commented on in the BOM.
After 2600 years, in that climate, you would not think to find much of that great battle or of their civilization (which was taken over by other peoples).
The Nephites and the Lamanites battled until almost all of the Nephites were annihilated, and the Lamanites went about destroying any information about the Nephites which they hated.
So no POOF!, but 2600 years of climate rot.
So "the civilizations" of the BOM did not kill each other, only 1.
My analogy is spot on, because you do not understand the BOM and it's history. So how would you be able to judge an analogy? You can't.
Many BOM burned cities have been found. This is the partial story on 1:
A Burned City, and a New View of Warfare Among the Ancient Maya
Why does not God just appear to everyone so we will all have proof of His existence? What language would God use to speak to you? Would He quote the Bible?PROOF or POOF - this is what we must know
And why would God wait 1800 years to correct things after plain and precious truths were lost out of the Bible?
Why does not God just appear to everyone so we will all have proof of His existence? What language would God use to speak to you? Would He quote the Bible?
God did not say everyone would be saved, there are a lot of stipulations to salvation in the kingdom of God. Believing in God is only one of them. Devils also believe. Obedience is also a major factor:Why should anyone play this game of "What Would God Do" with people who don't accept what God already did?
God did not say everyone would be saved, there are a lot of stipulations to salvation in the kingdom of God. Believing in God is only one of them. Devils also believe. Obedience is also a major factor:
(New Testament | Matthew 7:21)
21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
It is true, the gates of Hell have not prevailed against His church, but there was a falling away:What does any of this have to do with the Mormon rejection of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, and of His promise that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church?
I think we've all read just about enough of your warping of the scriptures, particularly in irrelevant contexts. I know I have. If you have nothing else to offer, then you ought to stay just as quiet as the historical record of the fabled Lamanites and Jaredites and these other fantasy people you believe in instead of God.
The Lamanites are still around to day in the form of the American Indian and the residual Mayan people. All in north and central and even south America.Your attempts to justify your non-history are entertaining. Were there any surviving Lamanites? If so, where are they? Where did they go? <POOF>
Climate rot? What climate is it specifically? Upstate New York or Central America? Artifacts much older than 2600 years are found in all sorts of climates. Where are the buildings? Where are the tools? Where are the roads and infrastructure? <POOF>
Where is your proof that links the Jaredites to the Olmec people? They don't exist until there is proof they existed outside of some religious fairy tale. <POOF>
The Lamanites are still around to day in the form of the American Indian and the residual Mayan people. All in north and central and even south America.
Climate rot. In Central America a steel sword will break down to nothing in less than 200 years beause of the heat and humid climate. It is in Central America that the last great battle was fought. (my belief)
Where are the buildings? 5% of them are excavated and stand as proof of this ancient people.
Where are the roads and infrastructure? Go to Central America and walk on their roads and see their infrastructure. Even in north America you could see their mounds and foundations for buildings, and mounds. But they are systematically being destroyed for new developments.
The BOM links the Olmec to the Jaredites. Same basic time, same basic buildings and roads and infrastructure and records.
If you needed proof for Moses and his travels with the children of Israel from Egypt, you are out of luck. There is no evidence that Moses ever existed or that Israel was in Egypt except what you read in the bible. Same for the people in the BOM. You do have to have some faith that Moses lived and that the BoM people lived. Just a little, because the evidence is starting to pile up as more than 5% of all the cities and villages are now excavated, but technology shows us that there is much much more to be excavated. So the jury is still out. Hang around and see the final results that science will uncover.
Peter, this is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.The Lamanites are still around to day in the form of the American Indian and the residual Mayan people. All in north and central and even south America.
Climate rot. In Central America a steel sword will break down to nothing in less than 200 years beause of the heat and humid climate. It is in Central America that the last great battle was fought. (my belief)
Where are the buildings? 5% of them are excavated and stand as proof of this ancient people.
Where are the roads and infrastructure? Go to Central America and walk on their roads and see their infrastructure. Even in north America you could see their mounds and foundations for buildings, and mounds. But they are systematically being destroyed for new developments.
The BOM links the Olmec to the Jaredites. Same basic time, same basic buildings and roads and infrastructure and records.
If you needed proof for Moses and his travels with the children of Israel from Egypt, you are out of luck. There is no evidence that Moses ever existed or that Israel was in Egypt except what you read in the bible. Same for the people in the BOM. You do have to have some faith that Moses lived and that the BoM people lived. Just a little, because the evidence is starting to pile up as more than 5% of all the cities and villages are now excavated, but technology shows us that there is much much more to be excavated. So the jury is still out. Hang around and see the final results that science will uncover.
Peter, this is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.
There is no genetic connection between American Indians and Jewish people.
Hill Cumurah is in upstate New York, according to most lds as I recall, not Central America. Millions of people had more than swords, so you still lack evidence for this "climate rot" claim of yours.
Less than 0% of roads or infrastructure can be linked to your BOM people.
Using your BOM as a link between two peoples means you have no link.
I don't need proof Moses existed. I take Jesus' word that he did. Unless you want to call Jesus a liar?
toThis is the closest that DNA evidence has come to showing Jewish blood in the Native Americans. It is one tribe and dates back only 200 years to Columbus and it's been known for years that there were Jews with Columbus and he, himself, probably was one.
"Israeli geneticists have found that a tribe of Native American Indians may have a genetic mutation typical of Ashkenazi Jews.
The genetic mutation is a harmful modification in the BRCA1 gene, prevalent among Jews of Eastern European descent, which increases the risk of developing breast and ovarian cancer.
Researchers from the Sheba Medical Center in Israel have found the genetic mutation in the DNA of descendants of a Native American Tribe who migrated from Mexico to Colorado some 200 years ago.
A report published in the European Journal of Human Genetics indicates that the two groups may share the common ancestor of Christopher Columbus, the legendary man who moved from Europe to the New World approximately 600 years ago, the same time that the Jewish population was expelled from Spain.
The mutation has also been traced in Hispanic Americans whose ancestors also arrived in the United States from Mexico and South America.
The group of scientists, led my Eitan Friedman, noted, however, that Colorado’s Mexican Indians do not seem to have any traditions that would link them to Jews."
Native Americans with Ashkenazi Jewish Mutation - Jewish World
Though LDS have tried desperately to prove otherwise---there is no such DNA evidence at all.
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