Why is Suicide Wrong

[2tim_215]

If as you say you trust your god's reason to eradicate an entire nation from the face of the earth by putting men women and children to the sword, then disagree all you wish, but that means you approved an act of genocide. And where did I say that ISIS don't kill women and children?
Also, I don't blame any god for the misdeeds of men, just as I have said often in the past that I don't blame any god for the slaughter of the Canaanites or Amalekites. If such bible atrocities did occur they had nothing to do with any god, they were the actions of men told by their leaders that the god they believed in had commanded such an action, therefore in their minds providing justification for such barbarity.
You appear to have the same mindset.

And what about the many atheistic nations which exist today? They do not believe in the existence of God similar to you, so it couldn't have been their god's instructions. More wars have been prevented by Christians than have been started by them. And what nations did God eradicate? You must mean tribe. There's a difference.
The Amalekites attacked Israel first, unprovoked. Were not the Jews allowed to fight back?
http://cupofsalvation.org/cos/index.php/resources/apostles-corner/the-spirit-of-the-amalekites
When the Jews came of out of their slavery in Egypt, they were attacked by the Canaanites, again unprovoked.
Numbers 21:1-3 And when king Arad the Canaanite, which dwelt in the south, heard tell that Israel came by the way of the spies; then he fought against Israel, and took some of them prisoners.
2 And Israel vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities.
3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah"
Although the Israelite and the Canaanites ought many times over the year I don[ believe that Israel completely destroyed them as you suggest.
https://www.livescience.com/56016-canaanites.html

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The earliest undisputed mention of the Canaanites comes from fragments of a letter found at the site of Mari, a city located in modern-day Syria. Dating back about 3,800 years the letter is addressed to "Yasmah-Adad," a king of Mari, and says that "thieves and Canaanites" are in a town called "Rahisum." The surviving portion of the letter alludes to a conflict or disorder that is taking place in the town.

A distinction without a difference.

Your wrong opinion.

 

[Desk trauma]

And what about the many atheistic nations which exist today?

What nation are you referring to, sweden?

T More wars have been prevented by Christians than have been started by them.

On what basis do you make that assertion?

 

[2tim_215]

What nation are you referring to, sweden?

Korea, China, Russia, the worst.
Putin religion:
http://www.religionfacts.com/putin
"Stalin called for an "atheist five year plan" from 1932–1937, led by the LMG, in order to completely eliminate all religious expression in the USSR. It was declared that the concept of God would disappear from the Soviet Union.
On what basis do you make that assertion?

Mao Ze Dong
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Mao-...gions,-is-now-worshiped-like-a-god-39515.html
"Mao Zedong, who tried to destroy religion in his lifetime, is now worshiped like a god. Especially in Hunan, the province where he came from"
Kim Jong Un worships his ancestors and is considered god in North Korea.
https://www.quora.com/Are-North-Koreans-atheists
You could probably argue against anyone of these but any communist country it's fair to call atheist.
You do have a number of Christians in those nations (probably many who are closet Christians) and who are deeply persecuted. This just demonstrates the power of Christ that hey can survive in such large numbers in spite of their governments attempts to keep them under wraps.

 

[Desk trauma]

Korea, China, Russia, the worst.

Ah, I see, you meant marxist countries not atheist ones.

You could probably argue against anyone of these but any communist country it's fair to call atheist.

Except it isn't. Atheism is a position on one issue only, there are no other doctrines, nor positions nor systems of governance to be found in it.

As you didn't answer I will repeat my question:

On what basis do you based you assertion that Christians have prevented more wars than they have started?

 

[2tim_215]

Ah, I see, you meant marxist countries not atheist ones.
I said Communist, not socialist or is there no difference there either?



Except it isn't. Atheism is a position on one issue only, there are no other doctrines, nor positions nor systems of governance to be found in it.
Communism and totalitarian governments go hand in hand with atheism. No morality whatsoever, just serve your leader. Personally, i'd much rather serve God.
As you didn't answer I will repeat my question:

On what basis do you based you assertion that Christians have prevented more wars than they have started?

Hadn't noticed that question before which I'll respond to later.

 

[Desk trauma]

Ah, I see, you meant marxist countries not atheist ones.
I said Communist, not socialist or is there no difference there either?

And I said marxist, not socialist. There's almost any many flavors of socialists and communists as there are different flavors of Protestants.

Communism and totalitarian governments go hand in hand with atheism.

As I said atheism is a position on one question, it does not bring with it any political ideology.

No morality whatsoever, just serve your leader. Personally, i'd much rather serve God.

What does any of that have to do with not being convinced that a god/s exist?

 

[2tim_215]

And I said marxist, not socialist. There's almost any many flavors of socialists and communists as there are different flavors of Protestants.

Who was it that said religion is the opiate of the masses?
Leninism vs Marxism
https://www.quora.com/What-is-Leninism-and-how-does-it-differ-from-Marxism

As I said atheism is a position on one question, it does not bring with it any political ideology.

It just so happens . . .

What does any of that have to do with not being convinced that a god/s exist?

It just so happens that those who follow the Christian God according to the Bible find killing (suicide or other) to be immoral and those who don't have a tendency to do otherwise since they are not limited by God's constraints and are left to their own devices.

As for your earlier question: there's nothing in Christianity that tells Christians to kill/murder (if you go by the New Testament). As a matter of fact, we're told to love our enemies, not annihilate them. How we can like genocide is beyond me.
https://www.bethinking.org/is-religion-harmful/arent-christians-responsible-for-most-wars

 

[Desk trauma]

Who was it that said religion is the opiate of the masses?

Carl Marx, what's your point?

It just so happens . . .

That?

It just so happens that those who follow the Christian God according to the Bible find killing (suicide or other) to be immoral and those who don't have a tendency to do otherwise since they are not limited by God's constraints and are left to their own devices.

Prohibitions on killing are in no way limited to theistic origins.

As for your earlier question: there's nothing in Christianity that tells Christians to kill/murder (if you go by the New Testament).

I was asking what standard you used to determine that Christians prevent more wars then they started as things that did not happen are a bit harder to quantify then things that did.

As a matter of fact, we're told to love our enemies, not annihilate them. How we can like genocide is beyond me.

It's beyond me as well but you're the one who says its something that must be accepted not I.

 

[Saintly Sinner]

Despite raw biblical interpretation, I have compassion for those who have killed their self.
It's easy to judge, it's harder to imagine their anguish.
They all at least deserve a proper passing and hope that they may be saved the same as others.

 

[George the Intercessor]

Suicide does not guarantee freedom from pain. And even if one is stuck in a situation that seems to be in the way of destruction, it can be avoided through genuine prayer and expectation in God.

 

[Introverted1293]

Thank you everyone.

 

[SkyWriting]

Who was it that said religion is the opiate of the masses?

Not somebody familiar with opium.
Or church services.
Or sermons.

 

[Par5]

It means I accept it which doesn't mean I approve of it.

People usually do not approve of somrthing because they feel it is wrong. You have told us that you don't approve of genocide. Does that mean you don't approve of your god's command to exterminate the Canaanites and the Amalekites? If that is the case, it sems rather odd that you would place your trust in a being whose actions don't meet with your approval.

 

[2tim_215]

People usually do not approve of somrthing because they feel it is wrong. You have told us that you don't approve of genocide. Does that mean you don't approve of your god's command to exterminate the Canaanites and the Amalekites? If that is the case, it sems rather odd that you would place your trust in a being whose actions don't meet with your approval.

Why would I question my God? That would only be for people like you to do.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Why would I question my God? That would only be for people like you to do.

So was God right or wrong to order the genocide of the Amalekites?

 

[2tim_215]

So was God right or wrong to order the genocide of the Amalekites?

As far as I'm concerned, no. As far as genocide in general is concerned (when it comes to man), then yes, I believe it's wrong. As I said, if God told them to do it in the Old Testament, I trust He had a very good reason for it. And in terms of the Amalekites, I'm going to presume that God knows a lot more about it than I do.

 

[2tim_215]

Thank you everyone.

You're welcome and God bless you in your quest for truth and a better understanding of God.

 

[gaara4158]

Suicide is generally prohibited due to the consequences it causes to the world you leave behind. If it became commonplace, entire infrastructures - and consequently, society - might fall apart. The move “The Discovery” explores this concept. Life is fragile enough as it is and we are all interdependent on one another, thus suicide is viewed as a supremely selfish act. That said, I believe in truly hopeless situations, such as the ones from your example. I believe suicide is acceptable when it is a choice between a hopeless existence facing imminent death or torture, and a death that’s less painful.

 

[Par5]

Why would I question my God? That would only be for people like you to do.

What part of, "I don't believe in your god" are you having difficulty with?
My question was directed at you, no one else, but I see you have already answered by saying genocide is only wrong when it is not at the behest of the god you believe in.
Nice belief system you have there that allows you to excuse the inexcusable! And you wonder why people are non-believers!

 

[2tim_215]

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What part of, "I don't believe in your god" are you having difficulty with?
My question was directed at you, no one else, but I see you have already answered by saying genocide is only wrong when it is not at the behest of the god you believe in.
Nice belief system you have there that allows you to excuse the inexcusable! And you wonder why people are non-believers!

You asked me a question and as usual, I answered you (as usual) and you didn't like my answer (as usual) and so you try and twist my words, as usual. I've allowed myself to get sidetracked away from the original post which "is suicide wrong" and since this a presumably Christian forum (not an theist one) the answer is yes, that is if it's from a Christian perspective and I stand by that statement.

This does not preclude for one having compassion for anyone who does commit suicide or is contemplating it. But that doesn't make it right. I not only have compassion them, but anyone who dies, especially if they are not a believer. You want to deflect the problem with your straw-man confusing it with what happened in the Old Testament and not considering the reasons behind it. It just in indicative of your hate for God and your particular axe to grind with Him as well as your particular dislike for Christians.