Why is Suicide Wrong

[Desk trauma]

I never said that either, if anything, the exact opposite.

In that case you do want people to be forced to die wasting death not of their choice at gun point.

 

[2tim_215]

In that case you do want people to be forced to die wasting death not of their choice at gun point.

I don't want that either. However it's people who are responsible for that occurrence. Unfortunately there's a lot of sick people out there with guns.

 

[Desk trauma]

I don't want that either.

Now you’re back to supporting physician assisted death? It’s a bit hard to discuss this when you oscillate between positions with each post.

However it's people who are responsible for that occurrence.

Yet they would be acting in accordance with your gods dictates according to your posts. Are they wrong to do as you allergy they should?

Unfortunately there's a lot of sick people out there with guns.

Which is in no way relevant to the legality of physician assisted death.

 

[2tim_215]

Now you’re back to supporting physician assisted death? It’s a bit hard to discuss this when you oscillate between positions with each post.
Show me where I said I supported physician death. That's apparently you misinterpreting what I did say.


Yet they would be acting in accordance with your gods dictates according to your posts. Are they wrong to do as you allergy they should?
Who would? You need to be more specific. You seem to ball over the place which makes it kind of hard to respond. What's the exact points you are trying to claim?


Which is in no way relevant to the legality of physician assisted death.

What isn't?

 

[Desk trauma]

I already said, that it was Hitler that put the Jews to death and not God. Whatever makes you think that I would get along with Nazi's I can't quite comprehend, especially since I have some Jewish ancestry in my blood.

Likely the acceptance of genocide as morally acceptable you hold in common.

And as whether God not raising a finger, how many total Jews were in Germany at the time of the holocaust and there were some survivors btw? ~900,000.

Please don’t make up numbers you can easily find.

European Jewish population 1933: 9.5 million 1950: 3.5
German Jewish population 1933: 565,000 1950: 37,000

Source.

I guess He did lift a finger.

Odd, it was the allies, mainly the Red Army, that paid the price in blood to drive the Nazis from power not your deity.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So you keep saying.

Your arms are too short to box with God.

 

[Desk trauma]

Show me where I said I supported physician death.

When you said you were opposed to forcing people to die waisting deaths.

Who would?

Forcing people to die wasting deaths by prohibiting physician assisted death by law, that is at gun point.

What isn't?

That number of sick people with guns.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What has the Holocaust got to do with the slaughter of the Canaanites and the Amalekites?


How was an infant worthy of being put to the sword. Is that the sort of thing you would be capable of?
I don't know why you mentioned the Holocaust, but seeing as you did, the way your mind appears to work you would have been welcomed by the Nazis. They believed the Jews deserved to die, men women, children and infants.
Not blaming your god for the Holocaust, although it would be true to say that it didn't raise an omnipotent finger to help its chosen people. Six million deaths is a terrible body count.

The lesson was for Israel. God offered to drive out the Canaanites with his "bees", without bloodshed. But Israel would rather shed their blood, and their own. God was just letting Israel have their way for a while. Regarding genocide, those peoples may have been so genetically corrupt that genocide was a good option, for them and the rest of humanity.

 

[2tim_215]

Likely the acceptance of genocide as morally acceptable you hold in common.
I've never killed anyone nor intend to let alone an entire ethnic group so where you get that idea from. I have no idea.



Please don’t make up numbers you can easily find.

European Jewish population 1933: 9.5 million 1950: 3.5
German Jewish population 1933: 565,000 1950: 37,000
900,000 holocaust survivors compared to over 6,000,00 deaths from most reports. I didn't make that up.
Source.



Odd, it was the allies, mainly the Red Army, that paid the price in blood to drive the Nazis from power not your deity.

What about America, a predominately Christian country? They didn't shed any blood along with the rest of the allies of which Russia was not. Russia was defending their own country of which Hitler was into to take over. Big mistake on his part. Maybe you need to get your history straight. You obviously don't know your Bible history. And please stop making claims about me that are totally untrue.

 

[Desk trauma]

I've never killed anyone nor intend to let alone an entire ethnic group so where you get that idea from. I have no idea.

I said you accepted it as moral because you take no issue with the genocide in the Bible not that you have participated in it.

What about America, a predominately Christian country? They didn't shed any blood along with the rest of the allies...

The brunt of the cost was born by the USSR with their casualties outnumbering all other allied casualties combined. They lost 53 lives for every one the US lost.

...of which Russia was not.

...what? You’re reading from some odd historical sources that have redefined the axis and allies.

 

[2tim_215]

When you said you were opposed to forcing people to die waisting deaths.

What's waisting deaths?

Forcing people to die wasting deaths by prohibiting physician assisted death by law, that is at gun point.
What does this mean?

That number of sick people with guns.

You seem to be a bit confused my friend.

 

[Desk trauma]

What's waisting deaths?

Death by a degenerative illness such as, Parkinson’s, MS or alshimers

What does this mean?

When you support something being illegal you are saying you want the government to force people not to do it. People are forced to comply with the threat or use of violence. Libertarian leanings folks, such as myself, distill that to the illustration of people being made to do things at gun point because after enough noncompliance that’s what happens.

You seem to be a bit confused my friend.

On what point?

 

[2tim_215]

I said you accepted it as moral because you take no issue with the genocide in the Bible not that you have participated in it.

The brunt of the cost was born by the USSR with their casualties outnumbering all other allied casualties combined. They lost 53 lives for every one the US lost.

Stands to reason since the Germans attempted to march into Russia but didn't get close to the US. The Germans also killed a lot of Russian civilians and the Russian soldiers weren't too smart, especially in terms of comparing them to German or American generals.

...what? You’re reading from some odd historical sources that have redefined the axis and allies.

Wasn't aware that the Russians lost so many.

 

[2tim_215]

Death by a degenerative illness such as, Parkinson’s, MS or alshimers

I don't see how that's wasted? Then all death is wasted for that matter. Death is a fact of life. It's just a question of when and how which is not something we choose.

When you support something being illegal you are saying you want the government to force people not to do it. People are forced to comply with the threat or use of violence. Libertarian leanings folks, such as myself, distill that to the illustration of people being made to do things at gun point because after enough noncompliance that’s what happens.

I don't think I said anything about the legality of it. What I said from the very beginning is that I don't think that people should kill themselves and that I believe that there are better alternatives for them. I also said that I believe that suicide is murder and that I believe it's breaking God's laws and not mans.

On what point?

You clarified a bit this time.

 

[Desk trauma]

I don't see how that's wasted?

As in waisting away. Long, painful deaths.

I don't think I said anything about the legality of it. What I said from the very beginning is that I don't think that people should kill themselves and that I believe that there are better alternatives for them. I also said that I believe that suicide is murder and that I believe it's breaking God's laws and not mans.

You consider it murder but don’t have a stance on its legality?

 

[Tinker Grey]

I don't see how that's wasted? Then all death is wasted for that matter. Death is a fact of life. It's just a question of when and how which is not something we choose.

A "wasting" disease is one in which the body/brain wastes away, hence the synonym degenerative.

 

[2tim_215]

A "wasting" disease is one in which the body/brain wastes away, hence the synonym degenerative.

The term which I'm more familiar with. So basically when people get Alzheimer's, Parkinson's or other brain debilitating disease they should be put to death? And when someone like this asks for it should be considered that perhaps they also have mental illness and really aren't in a position to make this kind of decision. Forget about the fact that the Medical Community is working on cures for these illnesses and making great progress.

 

[2tim_215]

As in waisting away. Long, painful deaths.

Personally, I believe in miracles and that anything is possible.

You consider it murder but don’t have a stance on its legality?

I really don't make the laws (not in government) but try to abide by them but I do believe that suicide is wrong for reasons already stated.

 

[Desk trauma]

Personally, I believe in miracles and that anything is possible.

Hi how is pertinent to your own choices but not those of others nor public policy.

I really don't make the laws (not in government) but try to abide by them but I do believe that suicide is wrong for reasons already stated.

You’re a citizen in a democratic republic, you have at least a small part in what the laws are unless you choose not to.

 

[Desk trauma]

The term which I'm more familiar with. So basically when people get Alzheimer's, Parkinson's or other brain debilitating disease they should be put to death?

If they would rather die on their own terms the option should be available to them.

And when someone like this asks for it should be considered that perhaps they also have mental illness and really aren't in a position to make this kind of decision.

Where people are legally allowed control over their own death there are evaluations done to screen for that to ensure people are expressing their rational will.

Forget about the fact that the Medical Community is working on cures for these illnesses and making great progress.

Working on =/= have. If people choose not to suffer in the meantime should they be compelled to?