Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[Kaon]

Simple question.

Why was this Okay, and this is offensive?
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The phrase is about exploiting the prejudices of a disjointed nation falsely based on people with differences working together. America was great when the ethnic minorities in the nation "knew their place," shut up when they were spoken to, follow directions, and were proud to serve real Americans.

Everyone else who doesn't subscribe to this brand of demagoguery is supposed to be a social justice warrior, Muslim, Mexican and/or "n"-loving god-hating fool. The thing is, this MAGA is regurgitated demagoguery trash. Very few are offended, we are bored and surprised that despite the volume of history at humanity's diaposal on the subject, people still get tingly with demagoguery that intimates superiority and racism without actually saying it.

Again, everyone else is supposed to be too stupid to understand this, or we are supposed to forget we have eyes, ears and a psyche - ignoring the conclusions we draw in exchange for social pressure. The children of racists and prejudiced parents have grown up and now teach a new generation. The perpetuity of it creates culture no matter how destructive.

And, when you are taught that certain looking people are soulless, violent animals, and then one of those soulless violent animals becomes your manager, boss or president, people get confused, upset and lose faith. The conflict in culture we see is a live exhibition of the breakdown of the psyche.

 

[Colter]

Perhaps you should go back and reread the post that you originally responded to. It wasn't just "The Leftist media". The news updated their reports as new information came out, because that's how journalism works. You have no valid argument here.

-CryptoLutheran

Others get it if you cant. So called "journalists" already know what the story is, they go out looking for events that fit. They rush to be the first, even relying of twitter, but then do a poor job of mop-up when the picture they portrayed fades into the facts. Journalism in America is tabloid garbage!

 

[ViaCrucis]

Others get it if you cant. So called "journalists" already know what the story is, they go out looking for events that fit. They rush to be the first, even relying of twitter, but then do a poor job of mop-up when the picture they portrayed fades into the facts. Journalism in America is tabloid garbage!

Oh I get it. Facts don't matter, the only thing that matters is Loyalty to Dear Leader.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Would you say that America is more racist today than it was in 2008?

 

[SummerMadness]

Would you say that America is more racist today than it was in 2008?

What is the rate of hate crimes in the past decade? That's one indicator you can use.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

The phrase is about exploiting the prejudices of a disjointed nation falsely based on people with differences working together. America was great when the ethnic minorities in the nation "knew their place," shut up when they were spoken to, follow directions, and were proud to serve real Americans.

Everyone else who doesn't subscribe to this brand of demagoguery is supposed to be a social justice warrior, Muslim, Mexican and/or "n"-loving god-hating fool. The thing is, this MAGA is regurgitated demagoguery trash. Very few are offended, we are bored and surprised that despite the volume of history at humanity's diaposal on the subject, people still get tingly with demagoguery that intimates superiority and racism without actually saying it.

Again, everyone else is supposed to be too stupid to understand this, or we are supposed to forget we have eyes, ears and a psyche - ignoring the conclusions we draw in exchange for social pressure. The children of racists and prejudiced parents have grown up and now teach a new generation. The perpetuity of it creates culture no matter how destructive.

And, when you are taught that certain looking people are soulless, violent animals, and then one of those soulless violent animals becomes your manager, boss or president, people get confused, upset and lose faith. The conflict in culture we see is a live exhibition of the breakdown of the psyche.

I understand that these are the things that you believe MAGA to mean, However, do you think it is possible that MAGA means to recover the things that made America "great" in the past while holding onto the things that make America "great" today? Things like "Make America One Nation Under God Again" or "Make America safe enough that kids can play out in the streets again"? Why are the 60 million conservatives ignorant on what MAGA "really means" because they wont accept the false narrative created by the left?

 

[SummerMadness]

I understand that these are the things that you believe MAGA to mean, However, do you think it is possible that MAGA means to recover the things that made America "great" in the past while holding onto the things that make America "great" today? Things like "Make America One Nation Under God Again" or "Make America safe enough that kids can play out in the streets again"? Why are the 60 million conservatives ignorant on what MAGA "really means" because they wont accept the false narrative created by the left?

One nation under God is a phrase that became a part of the pledge in the 1950s, you can't talk about returning to that time while ignoring segregation. That's why the very phrase itself is exclusionary because returning to the past, but let's ignore the reality for a large segment of the population is telling that population they don't matter. Moreover, it seems quite hypocritical because returning to that time because the country was "under God" implies that God was also for segregation, which again is exclusionary. Kids can play in the streets now (so as long as cars are not coming).

It's quite simple: the MAGA crowd is about showing their support for the current president. Not all of them share the racist views that the president has expressed; however, many of these people still voted for a man that has made bigoted statements and the current incarnation of his political career was based on a racist lie. At the end of the day, not all the president's supporters are racists, but they fall into two camps: they are either racist or they have no problem supporting someone who espouses racist or bigoted beliefs.

 

[Ringo84]

MAGA means to recover the things that made America "great" in the past

Sure! That "golden age" when minorities, homosexuals and women knew their place and white Protestants had most of the power in the country. We already knew that.
Ringo

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

One nation under God is a phrase that became a part of the pledge in the 1940s, you can't talk about returning to that time while ignoring segregation. QUOTE]
This is a false dichotomy. Once nation under God means that the country ought to govern with a holy fear and reverence for our Creator by holding sacred the divine moral code that He established and will hold this nation accountable for. The race based segregation was in violation of this divine moral code because it goes against the Biblical teaching that all races are created in the image of God and has been rightfully ended along with race based slavery.

they are either racist or they have no problem supporting someone who espouses racist or bigoted beliefs.

This is another false dichotomy that has been propagated by the left in order to use this race baiting false narrative to scare minorities into supporting democrats. Do you not think it is possible that a great majority of Trump supporters were merely fed up with being told for 8 years that they were racist if they disagreed with President Obama's policies? Do you not think it is possible that many minorities saw absolutely no improvement in their lives after decades of democratic leadership and responded with Trump's statement "What do you have to lose." by voting republican for the first time in their lives?

The problem that we have is we have a completely different criteria that categorizes one "racist or bigoted". Preserving the sovereignty of this nation by demanding that LEGAL immigration is enforced is not racist bigotry. Refusing to redefine the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman is not homophobic bigotry. Believing all human life is precious and that life begins at the moment of conception is not sexist bigotry. Again, I say that the events that have been unfolding is leading to a day, if it had not already happened, that Christian will either have to bend the knee and worship the "god of tolerance" or be labeled as a racist, homophobic, sexist bigots and thrown into the fiery furnace of public opinion and driven into hiding like animals. Again, conservatives are fed up with being unjustifiably labeled for no other reason than to have "diversity of thought". Instead of learning this in 2016, the left has doubled down. As a result, I will be voting republican regardless of who is running. Just know that my vote has nothing to do with racism, homophobia, or sexism and everything to do with being unjustifiably labeled as such.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Sure! That "golden age" when minorities, homosexuals and women knew their place and white Protestants had most of the power in the country. We already knew that.
Ringo

That is completely, absolutely, and utterly false. Unless you are actually suggesting that minorities, homosexuals, and women are the cause of America's decline and it was white Protestants that kept this country together, then I would have to disagree with you.

 

[Kaon]

I understand that these are the things that you believe MAGA to mean, However, do you think it is possible that MAGA means to recover the things that made America "great" in the past while holding onto the things that make America "great" today? Things like "Make America One Nation Under God Again" or "Make America safe enough that kids can play out in the streets again"? Why are the 60 million conservatives ignorant on what MAGA "really means" because they wont accept the false narrative created by the left?

It still ignores that America was never great for some Americans - including now.

It highlights even further what is wrong with the nation: an ignorance of the state of the "undesirables." A nation is only as good as it treats its lowest class. And, Americans continuously deny how their lowest classes have been treated - even with witnesses, video and a review of the law. They are constantly called liars, rapists, dirty animals, idiots, genetically inferior, and racist on top of that! That isn't greatness, it is a facade, or selectively favorable conditioning for a spiritually insecure lot.

 

[Kaon]

And for "greatness" sake the LEFT isn't the only facet that is repulsed by the current brand of demagoguery and dog whistling in the world. Stop the projection of blaming a facet for independent thought of persons that do NOT participate in political farces, for example.

LEFT-RIGHT is a false paradigm to divide you all; it isn't people getting tired of being mistreated, and persons calling out racism that is dividing the nation. If that is seriously the thought process (social justice warriors cause division), and not just what "the right" thinks, then America has lost the multi-decade destabilization war against Russia, and this alleged collusion is just an "in your face" on how gullible and socially malleable the West can be.

If you are caught up in the dog whistles of either political facet, or if you think America was greater when it openly denied certain people civil rights, for example - just because it had a bit of religion - then you have been had.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Simple question.

Why was this Okay, and this is offensive?
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A slogan, like any other symbol, can have its connotation changed depending on who uses it and what they associate it with. "MAGA" was inspirational enough when Reagan used it, and for a long while after Donald stole it, but sadly, certain unscrupulous people have co-opted it for their own ends...

Now, in all fairness, Donald himself had little to do with this process -- although that's part of the problem. These same unscrupulous people once tried to hitch themselves to Reagan's wagon, only to be unequivocally kicked to the curb:

REAGAN SPURNS KLAN SUPPORT

Donald, however, was far weaker in his denouncements... and only made them after a few false starts and prodding by his handlers -- which those unscrupulous people (perhaps mistakenly) interpreted as a wink and a tacit endorsement.

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides' - The Atlantic

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

It still ignores that America was never great for some Americans - including now.

It highlights even further what is wrong with the nation: an ignorance of the state of the "undesirables." A nation is only as good as it treats its lowest class. And, Americans continuously deny how their lowest classes have been treated - even with witnesses, video and a review of the law. They are constantly called liars, rapists, dirty animals, idiots, genetically inferior, and racist on top of that! That isn't greatness, it is a facade, or selectively favorable conditioning for a spiritually insecure lot.

First, who is the "lowest class"? Second, who is calling the "lowest classes" liars, dirty animals, idiots, genetically inferior, and racists? Unless you are referring to conservatives as "the lowest" class and the conservatives being the "undesirables" who are giving the insults? Third, based on your statement, would you then conclude that no country is great? So if America is not great and never was great, why are so many people risking their lives to come here and why aren't Americans leaving in droves to another country that is "greater"? If I recall, a lot of liberals made a promise that if Trump was elected they would move to Canada. Yet, in America they remain.

 

[Albion]

It still ignores that America was never great for some Americans - including now.

Make America Great Again For Every Last American Under All Circumstances and in Every Conceivable Way (MAGAFELAUACECW) wouldn't fit on the cap.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

A slogan, like any other symbol, can have its connotation changed depending on who uses it and what they associate it with. "MAGA" was inspirational enough when Reagan used it, and for a long while after Donald stole it, but sadly, certain unscrupulous people have co-opted it for their own ends...

I agree with your statement. However, where I disagree with is who the "unscrupulous people" are and what their "own ends" were. I cannot speak for every Trump supporter, but I can tell you is that based on the responses thus far, myself and over 99% of Trump supporters have no clue what MAGA "really means". Because it seems the only people who know the "truth" about the slogan are anti-trump liberals. I had absolutely no idea it means racism, homophobia, sexism, and bigotry. Or, perhaps it is not what it means. Perhaps it means exactly what the over 99% of conservatives say it means. Perhaps there is no ulterior motive or subliminal message associated with MAGA. . It seems to me that the "unscrupulous people" are the left leaning media who, as a result of the most upsetting democratic defeat in American history, retaliated by propagating "false journalism" in order to create a false narrative of hate and bigotry for the purpose of shaming, silencing, and threatening the conservative right to submit to the left's agenda and ensure democratic power.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Make America Great Again For Every Last American Under All Circumstances and in Every Conceivable Way (MAGAFELAUACECW) wouldn't fit on the cap.

I guess there is absolutely no such thing as a "great country" anywhere.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

When it comes to "Make America Great Again" and its meaning, there are two options. You can either continue to believe the lies propagated by the left. Or you can actually listen to what conservatives actually say, and at least try to understand it. If you really want to understand, you can start by watching this video.

 

[Ringo84]

That is completely, absolutely, and utterly false. Unless you are actually suggesting that minorities, homosexuals, and women are the cause of America's decline and it was white Protestants that kept this country together, then I would have to disagree with you.

I didn't suggest it, but Donny's platform seems to be based off of it; especially the "minorities/immigrants need to 'know their place'" part.
Ringo

 

[Kaon]

First, who is the "lowest class"?

Use you imagination if you are too worried about saying who you *know* they are. You don't have to say it here, but you know who are the lowest class of people in America. The people whose derided name is know around the world - the ones who have a particular hand in building the States, ironically. The people who can be blamed for a crime without evidence, falsely imprisoned, and then released with an apology decades later. The people who are "rapists, murderers, and savages." You would have to be purposefully ignorant, blind, or sheltered not to know who the lowest class of people have been in the States.

Second, who is calling the "lowest classes" liars, dirty animals, idiots, genetically inferior, and racists? Unless you are referring to conservatives as "the lowest" class and the conservatives being the "undesirables" who are giving the insults?

Americans. For decades.

If you think conservatives are the lowest class, you entire mentality approaching what I have presented is off. I am talking about people treating people this way; I have already said the LEFT-RIGHT paradigm (by implication, the liberal/conservative paradigm) is to divide people.


Plus:

Third, based on your statement, would you then conclude that no country is great?

Yes. Greatness is subjective

So if America is not great and never was great, why are so many people risking their lives to come here and why aren't Americans leaving in droves to another country that is "greater"?

Because greatness is subjective. Many of those hyphenated Americans realize the American dream is complete bull - that it comes with a severe compromise of their ideals, views and culture. And, then they get stuck. The first thing "Americans" want immigrants to do is assimilate, for example. Hopefully, more people don't base their entire life on the story of a golden city, and trust in their respective god (ideally, the Most High God).

If I recall, a lot of liberals made a promise that if Trump was elected they would move to Canada. Yet, in America they remain.

Because it takes years to logistically expatriate. However, I know of several of my peers that have expatriated before, and after the election. It didn't necessarily have anything to do with Trump; the "developing" and competing world economies are willing to put aside their prejudices (superficially) and attract talent from Western nations. I talked about this often during the election.

While America is still trying to figure out where all the "incivility" came from (when, the Americans should know), the world is bleeding the nation of its intellectual human resources. This way, when America finally opens its eyes during collapse (because of cultural and economic ignorance,) there will be no one around to rebuild the nation. This has been a chess game of destabilization, and because of the history of Americans toward "others", it has been too easy to get the nation to this point. American downfall will be because Americans did not cultivate their own - and at this point it is impossible for America to heal because it never fully addresses what causes/caused the wounds in the first place.