Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[whatbogsends]

. You cannot claim to know what he has asked forgiveness for to God.

Yes, you can. He's answered that himself. The question is asked at 1:13.

 

[Bobber]

I think America will become Great Again when it stops becoming offended and all bent out of shape over someone merely saying, "Make America Great Again!" If a great number of the public slide into a panic mode and becomes unhinged one someone says it then they've set aside the things that made America Great....to have the FREEDOM and LIBERTY to say just some simple basic words.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I think America will become Great Again when it stops becoming offended and all bent out of shape over someone merely saying, "Make America Great Again!" If a great number of the public slide into a panic mode and becomes unhinged one someone says it then they've set aside the things that made America Great....to have the FREEDOM and LIBERTY to say just some simple basic words.

America will be the greatest it has ever been when every American abides by the creed that all men/women are created equal; that every man/woman is endowed by his creator with certain inalienable rights, among which is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Simple question.

Why was this Okay, and this is offensive?
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First of all, Donald Trump tried to claim that he coined the phrase "Make America Great Again," which is a blatant lie because the phrase was first used by Ronald Reagan.

Trump said, and I quote: "The line of 'Make America great again,' the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody's now using it, they are all loving it, I don't know, I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it."

However, he was lying when he said he had coined the phrase and it was his.

‘Make America Great Again’—Who Said It First?

Throughout his campaign, Donald Trump has been consistent about one thing: His promise that he is going to "Make America Great Again."

The Republican nominee claims he coined the slogan at some point in 2014. He once even accused Ted Cruz of ripping him off when the Texas senator used the phrase in his own presidential campaign announcement. But Trump is not the first politician to use the phrase.

Ronald Reagan repeatedly promised to “make America great again” during his 1980 presidential campaign. He, too, used it as slogan on campaign merchandise.

Secondly, concerning the phrase 'Make America Great Again'...

"When Donald Trump says, 'Make America Great Again,' what time period is he talking about? A lot of people overlook that America's history has been built upon injustice against other racial groups, including Native American people." - Vanessa Bowen, creator of 'Make America Native Again' hats

Navajo Artist Creates 'Make America Native Again' Hats to Critique Donald Trump's Campaign Slogan

What time period is Donald Trump talking about?

And finally, can you give me a period in American history when you think America was great?

 

[Sparagmos]

Assuming that Bush Sr, Bill Clinton, Bush Jr, and Obama didn't undo all the "greatness". Perhaps Trump is wanting to return America to "Regan Era Greatness" and not "Jim Crow Era" racism and bigotry?

What was “Reagan era greatness?”

When you look at Trump’s history and his rhetoric, it does seem like he and his followers would like to roll back progress we’ve made in civil rights and prevent whites from becoming a minority in this country.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

America will be the greatest it has ever been when every American abides by the creed that all men/women are created equal; that every man/woman is endowed by his creator with certain inalienable rights, among which is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That will never happen in America when the current President of the United States referred to Black NFL players as "sons of [profanity]" and insisted they should be fired because they peacefully knelt during the national anthem or when he referred to El Salvador, Haiti and other African countries as "[profanity] hole countries" or when he pointed to an African-American man and said, "Look at my African-American over here!" or when he repeatedly uses the name of Pocahontas to slander Senator Elizabeth Warren or when he used the Wounded Knee Massacre (where an estimated 300 Lakota Sioux were slaughtered in cold blood) to continue his verbal assault against Senator Warren.

The current President of the United States has a very long history of questionable behavior toward minorities (see an extensive list here in my previous post). And that will never happen in America when racist groups like Unite the Right and Antifa exist either. America has very deep racist roots that go back to its inception and even beforehand. America was born in racism against minorities.

“Our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race. Even before there were large numbers of Negroes on our shores, the scar of racial hatred had already disfigured colonial society. From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles of racial supremacy. We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its Indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade. Indeed, even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or feel remorse for this shameful episode. Our literature, our films, our drama, our folklore all exalt it. Our children are still taught to respect the violence which reduced a red-skinned people of an earlier culture into a few fragmented groups herded into impoverished reservations.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr: Our Nation was Born in Genocide

 

[Paulos23]

Well, my response to you is the same one I provided in post #41. I will also ask you the same question I asked another individual. What if I told you that the slogan "Hope and Change" was offensive because it is symbolic of "Black Power" and "Black Supremacy"? What if I told you that the Obama campaign brought out the worse in a lot of people I know? That it was a symbol that promoted the black nationalism that would finally turn the tide putting blacks in power over whites? Would you find such a response reasonable? Do you think is would be appropriate for me to be so offended by such a person wearing an Obama campaign hat that I should attack them for it? Do you think I should have immediately labeled them as "Black Nationalists" and dump drinks on their heads while they were peacefully eating their meal at a restaurant? Or as a restaurant owner, should I have banned them from my establishment for wearing an Obama hat?

Instead, when someone wore an Obama hat, I just kept to myself or asked them why they supported Obama's policies. Was I wrong for doing that?

I have not see that many Obama hats, nor have I see anything about Black supremacy. I see Blacks asking for the same rights, and to be treated the same.

If you think that is Black supremacy, then the problem may be you. I am sorry you think it is offensive.

 

[seeking.IAM]

I have not see that many Obama hats, ...

President Obama had enough class and fashion sense not to wear a trucker's cap with a suit. So, there is that. Make America Dress Well Again.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

What was “Reagan era greatness?”

When you look at Trump’s history and his rhetoric, it does seem like he and his followers would like to roll back progress we’ve made in civil rights and prevent whites from becoming a minority in this country.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said 'prevent whites from becoming a minority in this country'. I think that's the crux right there behind all the rhetoric of making America great again.

 

[Hank77]

You have no authority to make any claims about someones Christianity or even morals in general. Your opinion is worthless.

That isn't what the Bible says. When Christians behave in the same manner as immoral people, cheating others, lying, etc. it's exactly like what Paul said to the Jews who claimed Abraham as their father, and therefore, they were better than the Gentiles who were without God.

Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

The world, especially those who know what the Bible teaches, need to see Christ through us.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

President Obama had enough class and fashion sense not to wear a trucker's cap with a suit. So, there is that. Make America Dress Well Again.

And as long as he doesn't wear a tan suit with the hat. It drove a bunch of conservatives bonkers the last time he dared to wear a tan suit out in public. It nearly drove them out of their minds.

 

[Albion]

The problem with the MAGA hats is that it is a form of personal identification with Trumps ideas.

Of course. People who hate Trump find fault with every last thing that pertains to him (although they usually pretend that it is solely about terribly important issues of policy, values, blah blah blah). Those people who cannot abide the results of the last presidential election ridicule his tie, his hair, his wife, his children, his every expression, and so on. As for MAGA...if he had chosen "Let's all be sure to vote" they would target it the same way as they do MAGA.

 

[Ringo84]

Because of what it represents: hauling migrant children into desert concentration camps, discrimination against trans soldiers (and LGBTQ+ broadly), racism.

I'm definitely no fan of Reagan, but to his credit, he was trying to make America feel good about itself in the midst of an economic downturn and a lack of confidence after an unpopular and unnecessary war (Vietnam). Trump "making America great" is more about making racists feel good about themselves for blaming all of their economic ills on "illegals".
Ringo

 

[Paulos23]

Of course. People who hate Trump find fault with every last thing that pertains to him (although they usually pretend that it is solely about terribly important issues of policy, values, blah blah blah). Those people who cannot abide the results of the last presidential election ridicule his tie, his hair, his wife, his children, his every expression, and so on. As for MAGA...if he had chosen "Let's all be sure to vote" they would target it the same way as they do MAGA.

Sorry, I was commenting on the people that wear the hats. Not commenting on Trump himself.

That said, I have seen enough vile stuff done and said by people wearing those hats that I have put them in a mental category to be weary of. Maybe I have only met extremists, but that is my experance.

 

[Hank77]

This link will say differently.

LMGTFY

I goggled that exact phrase. Here's an article written by the very conservative Heritage Foundation listing and quoting Obama's Top 10 apologies. Please point out which one is apologizing for Christians or Christianity.

Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower

 

[Albion]

Sorry, I was commenting on the people that wear the hats. Not commenting on Trump himself.

And I was commenting on the people who are set on fire by the sight of anyone wearing a red hat.

That said, I have seen enough vile stuff done and said by people wearing those hats that I have put them in a mental category to be weary of.

Wow. I myself have seen enough vile stuff done by people wearing black clothes, but I do not usually associate everyone else who may be wearing black with them!

 

[cow451]

It's not the slogan, it's the rhetoric that often accompanies it.

It’s the lying, cheating, stealing, grifting administration it symbolizes.

 

[cow451]

It isn't offensive. MAGA!

My slogan:

MAGIT: Make America Great Instead of Trump

 

[Paulos23]

Wow. I myself have seen enough vile stuff done by people wearing black clothes, but I do not usually associate everyone else who may be wearing black with them!

I do have the same feelings about people wearing black clothes in groups. A single person wearing all black doesn't hit my radar unless there is a face cover of some kind. But a person wearing a red hat alone around some normally there to start something.

I am willing to admit it may have to do with the city I am in. But I have not seen good behavior from people wearing MAGA red hats.

 

[Albion]

I do have the same feelings about people wearing black clothes in groups. A single person wearing all black doesn't hit my radar unless there is a face cover of some kind. But a person wearing a red hat alone around some normally there to start something.

I think that's just ridiculous, and I know it is not true UNLESS you confine your conclusion to some people at some times in some situations in some locales.

But that is not what you wrote before, and of course it does not apply to Catholic schoolchildren on an excursion to the nation's capital for the purpose of supporting the Right to Life movement!