Why is it Cool to vote for Obama?

[swtldy622]

some of the Americans have no idea how much coverage this is getting with the BBC and Australian press. Fox dosent tell you these things.

I HATE Fox News. The media in gerenal really. They blow eveything out of proportion.

I understand completely why non-US citizens would be interested in our elections. We are supposedly the most powerful nation in the world, it makes complete sense to me for others to be concerned about who we vote for. I for one don't feel it's none of anyone's business who we vote for considering the amount of power and influence this person will have in the world.

I think non-US citizens want to know who they will have to deal with. A uncompromising, stubborn, won't listen to reason, thinks the US can do everything on their own President. Or a President that knows we can't do everything alone, that our resources are not limitless, and our alliances are important. Whoever that man is, that's who we need to vote for.

I have noticed that some people are very hostile in their beliefs. I certainly respect your right to those beliefs. BUT if you are so sure of your position, why do you have to resort to name calling, arrogant, slick, and know it all comments?? People are entitled to their opinions. I just happen to RESPECTFULLY disagree with them. The key word being respectfully.

I am always really surprised how politics brings out the worst in people. Or maybe it just brings out their true selves. Either way, it sure is UGLY.

Let the church say:

 

[Fremdin]

Are you really calling Australia socialist?

 

[justagirl08]

it is our concern. very much so. When we see the pain and suffering inflicted by Bush's foregin policy etc, we are concerned as Christians and human beings for our fellow man.

We are concerned when the American government fails to reign in American business greed and that failure causes a world wide economic downturn (credit crunch) which causes people in the UK and Australia to loose jobs and go without.

oh belive me, it is our business and it is our concern. but of course........not our vote. which is a shame, because Obama would win in a landslide if the world got to vote.

Charlie,

Allow me to be blunt, rubbish. I also, to be very honest, do not care one iota what you may or may not think of my country. I also don't hold your view on who my president is or isn't in high esteem.

Focus on your country and perhaps what we do or won't do won't have an effect on yours.

J

 

[Fremdin]

If you don't care what he thinks then why are you responding?

 

[* kittie *]

Responding and caring what someone thinks doesn't have to be the same thing. o_o I personally post cause 1. I have time before class 2. I like to post lately 3. I like to share my opinion

But hey, this is CF and not to be taken too seriously, so that's why I think the way I do. It's...casual talk. If I wanted to debate for real, I'd go to the section assigned for it. Or I'd go on some political forum.

 

[charlie_hunter]

That was just one detail? Who says we don't have anything to say on policy? That's funny...It's similar to a previous remark of how we are only concerned with abortion. But I guess it's easier for people to knock down our views by constraining it to one aspect. That is fallacious.

Like said before, although people don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of it, "
Like I said, each person will decide how important this piece of information is to them.
Said nicely a few posts above. I do NOT believe in the far left socialist ideologies, and I reserve my right to think that way. I do not agree with Obama's policies. However I never care to convince anyone to think the same way I do; I'm just freely stating my opinion and reasons as a part of this discussion. I do not go into the Obama camp and disagree with how they view him. It would be nice if some people could give us some respect of being able to have an opinion, instead of being made to feel as if our reasons are not valid enough or assuming that we only look at certain details.

you're missing the point entirely. I'm not saying Obama is good, i'm saying he's a lot better then the alternitive.

The replublicans on here are attacking Obama for a lack of moral fiber and because they think he's somehow linked with some dodgy characters. my response is

LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD

if Obama is morally questionable about what he believes, then McCain is morally questionable for what he's done.

"Like I said, each person will decide how important this piece of information is to them"

What the heck does that even mean?!?! are you saying its ok to ignore certian pieces of information?? or are you saying something like the Bush-Bin Laden family ties are not important to some people but Obama's uni activites are? or divorce is not important but abortion is?

 

[swtldy622]

Because they are relishing the battle. They are rallying to the cry of: Fight with me!!!!!! Fight? I think we have done enough of that. Thank you very much. But I digress. Some people choose to be aggressive in their politics. They have to some how strike down the infidels who don't believe what they believe. It's sad really that we can't just agree to disagree. AND not resort to verbal bloodshed.

 

[charlie_hunter]

Charlie,

Allow me to be blunt, rubbish. I also, to be very honest, do not care one iota what you may or may not think of my country. I also don't hold your view on who my president is or isn't in high esteem.

Focus on your country and perhaps what we do or won't do won't have an effect on yours.

J

you are not grasping just how modern economics work. to say if we focus on our own economy that we wouldnt have these problems is absurd. if we didnt trade with America, our economy would be a lot smaller and likewise, the American economy would take a massive dint without imports and exports. Are you advocating a restriction on trade?

when the US economy crashes, the world follows a few days later, its been like that since capitalism was in effect. Your government affects your economy, your economy affects our economy, our economy affects our way of life.

short answer, your government affects our way of life.

just remember if a mouse and an elephant are sleeping next to eachother, the elephant isnt going to feel the mouse roll over, but you'll be sure the mouse will feel the elephant roll over.

 

[* kittie *]

you're missing the point entirely. I'm not saying Obama is good, i'm saying he's a lot better then the alternitive.

The replublicans on here are attacking Obama for a lack of moral fiber and because they think he's somehow linked with some dodgy characters. my response is

LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD

if Obama is morally questionable about what he believes, then McCain is morally questionable for what he's done.

"Like I said, each person will decide how important this piece of information is to them"

What the heck does that even mean?!?! are you saying its ok to ignore certian pieces of information?? or are you saying something like the Bush-Bin Laden family ties are not important to some people but Obama's uni activites are? or divorce is not important but abortion is?

First of all...I'm not even a Republican. lol And hey, I think the opposite of you just said. I don't like Obama and think McCain is the better alternative (in comparison). The other candidates...well...I think it would be a waste to vote for them because we all know they won't win. This year's election is one of the most important it's been in a while, due to the state we are in.

What does that mean? It means we all are brought up with different perspectives which leads to different values being weighed differently in our l ives. For example, how some of us brought up his suspicious ties, that IS important to us. But the others see it different, so obviously they have different thoughts on what is important. They have the right to disagree if it is not much concern to them, but it is foolish for them to say we should not.

I never said anything about ignoring any kind of relevant information, did I? In fact, I said the opposite in which I accept that other people have their views and for valid reasons. I am not here to debate who is right or wrong, because both sides have their views. I am not here to say McCain is some great guy either, so using his divorce doesn't really change my view on Obama.
So both are morally questionable. I still trust Obama LESS to lead our country. That is simply my honest opinion, and like I said, I have my right to have my own views. Is that not correct?

 

[Tamara224]

Are you really calling Australia socialist?

LOL, not exactly. They have, as far as I can tell, a little bit more socialism in their current policies and programs than America does at the moment.

 

[charlie_hunter]

LOL, not exactly. They have, as far as I can tell, a little bit more socialism in their current policies and programs than America does at the moment.

Genuine welfare exists and we have healthcare for all, so i'd agree with that.

Interestingly, if you followed Australian politics at the last election. Kevin Rudd (PM, the guy who won) is with the Labor party who are left leaning compaired to the Liberals, who are right leaning. Kevin Rudd had waaaay more God talk then John Howard and more publicity about his faith. Which royally screwed up those on the right side of politics who use faith as a reason to vote conservative. The leader of the left was a lot more public and open about his faith then the leader of the right!! ah it was great.

We have real leadership now. But unfortunatly this is threatened, the Australian economy is sliding along with the rest of the worlds. the uneducated (those that think only Australia is affected by the current economic situation) are blaming the Rudd government, when in actual fact (according to the banks/economists/people who actually know whats going on), the whole problem came out of the American housing market!!

 

[charlie_hunter]

First of all...I'm not even a Republican. lol And hey, I think the opposite of you just said. I don't like Obama and think McCain is the better alternative (in comparison). The other candidates...well...I think it would be a waste to vote for them because we all know they won't win. This year's election is one of the most important it's been in a while, due to the state we are in.

What does that mean? It means we all are brought up with different perspectives which leads to different values being weighed differently in our l ives. For example, how some of us brought up his suspicious ties, that IS important to us. But the others see it different, so obviously they have different thoughts on what is important. They have the right to disagree if it is not much concern to them, but it is foolish for them to say we should not.

I never said anything about ignoring any kind of relevant information, did I? In fact, I said the opposite in which I accept that other people have their views and for valid reasons. I am not here to debate who is right or wrong, because both sides have their views. I am not here to say McCain is some great guy either, so using his divorce doesn't really change my view on Obama.
So both are morally questionable. I still trust Obama LESS to lead our country. That is simply my honest opinion, and like I said, I have my right to have my own views. Is that not correct?

the problem with people finding different things important is the hypocrisy of believing that whats ok for the Republicans to do is not ok for the Democrats to do.

For example, generic Republican says:
"Biblical values are important to me, therefore i cant vote for Obama because his views on gay marriage go against the bible"
but if biblical values are something important to them, then they completely ignore McCains endorsement and approval of divorce.

If who a political parties leader associates themself with is important. then its important to take both sides into account. not just to say that the Democrats are dodgy because of who Obama delt with in the 70's but ignore completely the Bush-Saudi-Terrorist connection.

i completely understand and agree that what is important to some people might not be important to others................but what i'm saying is to have consistancy. and if something is important to you, dont be a hypocrite about it!

 

[Sketcher]

I think non-US citizens want to know who they will have to deal with. A uncompromising, stubborn, won't listen to reason, thinks the US can do everything on their own President.

That's not McCain, his record proves it.

Or a President that knows we can't do everything alone, that our resources are not limitless, and our alliances are important. Whoever that man is, that's who we need to vote for.

McCain knows our alliances are important. Which is why he is showing more solidarity with Georgia and Israel, two allies in crisis.

 

[Sketcher]

the problem with people finding different things important is the hypocrisy of believing that whats ok for the Republicans to do is not ok for the Democrats to do.

For example, generic Republican says:
"Biblical values are important to me, therefore i cant vote for Obama because his views on gay marriage go against the bible"
but if biblical values are something important to them, then they completely ignore McCains endorsement and approval of divorce.

Is McCain out to promote more divorce, or make it more mainstream? Will be be a mouthpiece for those who would want to? Obama would be a mouthpiece for those who want to make homosexuality more mainstream. As a Christian, I find this to be a bad thing.

 

[charlie_hunter]

Is McCain out to promote more divorce, or make it more mainstream? Will be be a mouthpiece for those who would want to? Obama would be a mouthpiece for those who want to make homosexuality more mainstream. As a Christian, I find this to be a bad thing.

So its ok to do it, but not ok to be a 'mouthpiece' for it?

actions speak louder then words. i'm more afraid of a man who's actions go against my morals, rather than a man who's words go against them.

 

[intricatic]

I would be for compulsory voting except that there are too many people who don't bother to inform themselves of the issues and would just vote for very superficial reasons (too many people who do vote already do that) like who they would want to have a beer with or what someone's middle name is.

I wouldn't vote, pay the consequent fee, and be happy about it in protest of the passage of such an asinine law. I really could care less who's in the white house, they're all morons. Some people want government to solve our problems, but I already have enough to deal with. I don't need more. Some people want government to make us more secure, but I'm afraid of the government, so how could it make me more secure? The irony of conservativism and liberalism is not lost on me.

 

[Sketcher]

So its ok to do it, but not ok to be a 'mouthpiece' for it?

actions speak louder then words. i'm more afraid of a man who's actions go against my morals, rather than a man who's words go against them.

No, it's not OK. He divorced and remarried, like half the rest of the adult population in America. It's adultery, no question. It's wrong. But he's not trying to push that on the culture. He's not trying to get more people to do that.

Obama on the other hand, would be a mouthpiece for those that would make homosexuality more mainstream. His oratory and their agenda would take us from the frying pan, and into the fire. Those people who he would speak for are those who are trying to use the state to fight their culture battle. It has no place in it, but I don't think Obama realizes this.

 

[charlie_hunter]

No, it's not OK. He divorced and remarried, like half the rest of the adult population in America. It's adultery, no question. It's wrong. But he's not trying to push that on the culture. He's not trying to get more people to do that.

Obama on the other hand, would be a mouthpiece for those that would make homosexuality more mainstream. His oratory and their agenda would take us from the frying pan, and into the fire. Those people who he would speak for are those who are trying to use the state to fight their culture battle. It has no place in it, but I don't think Obama realizes this.

You are just stating your original point without referring to my question.

What is a better judge of character. Actions or words?

because the right ignores McCains actions, but protest Obama's words.....

 

[Sketcher]

You are just stating your original point without referring to my question.

What is a better judge of character. Actions or words?

because the right ignores McCains actions, but protest Obama's words.....

You're talking about a person's character at a certain point in time. I'm talking about the potential damage one can do to my society.

 

[Reanimation]

Charlie,

Some American's know exactly the coverage that is being given and we still don't believe it is any of your concern or business who we as a country vote in.

J

The reason America is the way it is (world leader) is because of the American people - especially those who have gone before us. Working hard and using our freedoms to get us somewhere.

We got this way, so can you.

Maybe you should focus on improving your own countries and then you wouldn't have to worry about what America does.

Hint though.... socialism hampers this process.

As has been explained by Markus6 and charlie_hunter, we are directly affected by happenings in the US. We may not particularly like it, but that's the way things are unfortunately. As a result, we are of course going to take an interest in the presidential race, whether you like it or not.