Why is hell even necessary?

[createdtoworship]

I don't think so. Of course everyone falls short of the glory of God so everyone is unjust so the second resurrection is about everyone as is covered in the Matt 25:31 and following passage. It makes no sense to me that God would raise someone from the dead to kill them. I don't think that will occur.

we all have our opinions. I just go with what revelation 20:13 states "the sea will give up their dead" and they will be judged.

 

[elman]

we all have our opinions. I just go with what revelation 20:13 states "the sea will give up their dead" and they will be judged.

I think it may be like our names written in the Book of life. God does not need to write down our names to remember who we are. I don't think there is a literal book with our names literally written down. I think this is to give us an idea of God remembering us. Perhaps the judgment consist of no gift of eternal life for the wicked.

 

[createdtoworship]

I think it may be like our names written in the Book of life. God does not need to write down our names to remember who we are. I don't think there is a literal book with our names literally written down. I think this is to give us an idea of God remembering us. Perhaps the judgment consist of no gift of eternal life for the wicked.

thats eisegesis not exegesis. Thats putting your opinion into the word of God, not the other way around.

 

[Timothew]

Perhaps the judgment consist of no gift of eternal life for the wicked.

thats eisegesis not exegesis. Thats putting your opinion into the word of God, not the other way around.

John 3:16 Whosover believes in Him shall not perish but will have eternal life.
That's not opinion or eisegesis, it's what the bible says.
Elman is right.

 

[createdtoworship]

I think it may be like our names written in the Book of life. God does not need to write down our names to remember who we are. I don't think there is a literal book with our names literally written down. I think this is to give us an idea of God remembering us. Perhaps the judgment consist of no gift of eternal life for the wicked.

"i don't think there is a literal book" is eisegesis not exegesis.

This is a point you have to prove, not just state.

 

[Timothew]

"i don't think there is a literal book" is eisegesis not exegesis.

This is a point you have to prove, not just state.

Disagreeing with Gradyll is eisegesis not exegesis.

 

[createdtoworship]

Disagreeing with Gradyll is eisegesis not exegesis.

prove it

 

[elman]

thats eisegesis not exegesis. Thats putting your opinion into the word of God, not the other way around.

And you don't put your opinion into interpreting the Bible? You assume the literal interpretation is the best. I think ususally that is incorrect.

 

[elman]

"i don't think there is a literal book" is eisegesis not exegesis.

This is a point you have to prove, not just state.

You cannot prove anything about spiritual things. It is all based on faith.

 

[Timothew]

prove it

everything's eisegesis

 

[createdtoworship]

You cannot prove anything about spiritual things. It is all based on faith.

you can prove the resurrection

‪Did Jesus Rise From The Dead -Bart Ehrman Vs William Lane Craig‬‏ - YouTube

 

[SkyWriting]

Another good point. I'm just repeating what pastors told me my whole life. Even when I was a christian, whenever I heard "God can't be in the presence of sinfulness" I always thought "yeah he can...he does it all the time"

No. He can't.
You must be thinking we're in Heaven.
Not so.

 

[SkyWriting]

You cannot prove anything about spiritual things. It is all based on faith.

Not a good enough excuse:

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well as we've been talking about for the past 20-30ish pages, I think we have yet to establish that a god exists or that a hell exists to be saved from. And if it did exist, then we would have to deal with the problem of God being incredibly evil and spiteful to send people there; especially for the "sin" of asking for proof. The same proof that Doubting Thomas asked for and received.

God doesn't send anyone there. They skip and dance there on their own.

 

[Timothew]

Originally Posted by DontTreadOnMike

Another good point. I'm just repeating what pastors told me my whole life. Even when I was a christian, whenever I heard "God can't be in the presence of sinfulness" I always thought "yeah he can...he does it all the time"
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No. He can't.
You must be thinking we're in Heaven.
Not so.

Jesus is God and He can be in the presence of sinfulness.

Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, “Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?” But when Jesus heard this, He said, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. “But go and learn what this means: ‘I Desire compassion, and not sacrifice,’ for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

NASB

 

[elman]

you can prove the resurrection

‪Did Jesus Rise From The Dead -Bart Ehrman Vs William Lane Craig‬‏ - YouTube

No you cannot prove God even exists. If you cannot prove that you cannot prove God was raised from the dead.

 

[elman]

Not a good enough excuse:

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Some things in the Bible are not literally true. It is not clear that God exists. If we believe it, we must accept it on faith.

 

[SkyWriting]

Some things in the Bible are not literally true. It is not clear that God exists. If we believe it, we must accept it on faith.

You'll need to be more specific as to the literalness of specific passages.
All words are mere representations of ideas.

It's not "clear" that Dark Matter, Dark Energy or life exists off this planet.
But people sure do believe some or all, no matter the lack of understanding even what it is.

 

[SkyWriting]

... I don't think there is a literal book with our names literally written down....

God is Spirit. When you're a spirit all "literalness" goes out the window.
If your a spirit, standing alongside God, it'll look like a literal book.
How much "reality" it has is up to God.

 

[SkyWriting]

Christianity does not offer a resurrection of the natural body. It offers a resurrection of a spiritual body. 1 Cor 15.

The one Jesus got was seemingly physical. But defiantly changed.
Per scripture.