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I agree. I believe in commitment and unity. And most certainly, that it is God's will that sex belongs within marriage. Sex is meant to be a spiritual experience, an expression of permanent love.Darn your good! As a conservative Christian, I couldn't have said it better.
Regarding "because God says so". Hey - that's a pretty good reason. Put yourself in a Christian's shoes for a moment. The creator and sustainer of the universe, the all knowing, all powerful, pure and good God says "don't have sex outside of marriage". You gonna argue with that? I certainly am not going to.
On a more serious note, it does go a little deeper than "God said so". As faster_JR sarcastically notes, we do look to see what God's plan is. KA stated we view sex as a gift not to be opened until the wedding night. The key is the gift part. We believe God created sex for a specific purpose: to foster the "oneness" that marriage demands. Marriage is hard enough as it is. We think God made sex as a uniquely marital bonding activity. But Satan has coopted the benefits that sex brings (physical, emotional, relational). The result is rampant sexual activity outside of marriage. The benefits still exist, but they are not being used as God planned. In a sense, and I think you will see that in the many posts out there, it dilutes the effectiveness of sex within marriage. It is no longer a uniquely marital thing and therefore brings nothing "special" to the marriage.
The kinds of sex that are wrong are wrong for reasons other than sex, i.e. deliberately trying to harm another person. There is nothing wrong with any kind of sex in itself.So there are kinds of sex that are right and kinds of sex that are wrong.
This is all well and good if you want to lock yourself down this way. I object to the assertion that I will burn if I don't. In other words, your god is a tyrant.I agree. I believe in commitment and unity. And most certainly, that it is God's will that sex belongs within marriage. Sex is meant to be a spiritual experience, an expression of permanent love.
I can go along with that. Immoral and stupid.I would go so far as to say that promiscuous unprotected sex is immoral in that you are being negligent in the spreading of disease.
How are you able to tell what should be moral and what should be immoral?I can go along with that. Immoral and stupid.
True, there is nothing wrong in and of itself about sex. But real life experience proves that eventually (and it's generally much sooner than it is later) the end result of sex outside of marraige is that people are harmed by it. .The kinds of sex that are wrong are wrong for reasons other than sex, i.e. deliberately trying to harm another person. There is nothing wrong with any kind of sex in itself.
I have said all along that deliberately trying to harm people is immoral. I include irresponsible behavior such as drunk driving and unprotected sex in this category.Wait a minute, what makes you think that unprotected sex is immoral?
Sure, but it comes from my own mind rather than some dubious deity, or commandments in a book written by the ancient men who fabricated said deity.Do you have some tiny little voice in your head telling you what should be moral and what should be immoral?
Real life experience? Have you heard the testimony of every single person in the world? Or just those who have been "harmed" and complain about it?True, there is nothing wrong in and of itself about sex. But real life experience proves that eventually (and it's generally much sooner than it is later) the end result of sex outside of marraige is that people are harmed by it. .
Do you have stats to back up this claim? I would like to see the percentage of people performing fornication who are harmed by it. If you claim it is 100%, back it up.In a nutshell, that is why fornication is bad. It is bad because people eventually end up being harmed by it.
You know, it's hard to have a conversation when you rewrite your post to say something completely different after someone has responded to it. See my reply to your original unedited post.How are you able to tell what should be moral and what should be immoral?
Why do you need a study???? Real life experience is a the best teacher.Real life experience? Have you heard the testimony of every single person in the world? Or just those who have been "harmed" and complain about it?
Perhaps those who have not been harmed keep silent because they are happily living their lives and have no need to whine.
Do you have stats to back up this claim? I would like to see the percentage of people performing fornication who are harmed by it. If you claim it is 100%, back it up.
I need a study from an unbiased site such as a university, please. No christian or anti-porn, anti-gay, anti-sex sites.
The truth is that fornication eventually leads to people either lying about, or concealing, what they have done. They can't be honest about what they have done without harming someone else, and if they lie about it ,or conseal it, they harm themselves. There is no way to avoid it..
AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT ONES.Why do you need a study???? Real life experience is a the best teacher.
It sounds like you are talking about adultery again and I have already said I am against that.The truth is that fornication eventually leads to people either lying about, or concealing, what they have done. They can't be honest about what they have done without harming someone else, and if they lie about it ,or conseal it, they harm themselves. There is no way to avoid it..
Why is fornication bad?
This was kinda asked in annother thread but I think the thread was poorly worded and it went off-topic in a big hurry.
I have had pre-marital sex with my fiance (and with other girlfriends who I wasnt engaged to when we were dating). This was done consentingly and with precautions taken to avoid disease transmission and pregnancy.
So explain to me why fornication is wrong or bad if its done safely. And please keep this thread on topic, I really would like some answers.
The truth is that fornication eventually leads to people either lying about, or concealing, what they have done. They can't be honest about what they have done without harming someone else, and if they lie about it ,or conseal it, they harm themselves. There is no way to avoid it..
So what? The key word is supposed. According to a book written by ancient, primitive men.Consider the fact that it may be devaluing something that is suppose to be sacred in the confines of marriage.
Instead, let's brainwash them with dogma from two millennia ago. Religion is the worst form of child abuse on earth.Consider the fact that what children see, they learn, and then consider the fact that this same type of behavior over several generations and the consequence of it.
Maybe sex without love (or at least caring) for the other person is devaluing to the experience (certainly sex by force or coercion is devaluing), but refusing to enjoy this wonderful gift of sex with a willing partner who you care for and are aroused by also devalues sex, and is an affront to God.... you see, God enjoys life through our experiences, and denying ourselves consensual mutually pleasurable experiences denies pleasure to God.... denying ourselves such experiences for a belief that God wills such self-denial stems from an illogical basis!!Consider the fact that it may be devaluing something that is suppose to be sacred in the confines of marriage. Consider the fact that what children see, they learn, and then consider the fact that this same type of behavior over several generations and the consequence of it.
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