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Why I'm Anti-Theistic

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Can you understand how many members find it odd that you waste any of your time here at all if you truly believe your own words? Have you ever sat down and taken an honest look at your reason you come here at all? IF you do not believe and do not care that you do not believe can you understand how others can have serious doubts about your sincerity? Back away for a moment and try to see the picture without you in it but as though your were observing another person doing and saying the things you do. Does it make any sense at all? Why do you come here?
 
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Can you understand how many members find it odd that you waste any of your time here at all if you truly believe your own words? Have you ever sat down and taken an honest look at your reason you come here at all? IF you do not believe and do not care that you do not believe can you understand how others can have serious doubts about your sincerity? Back away for a moment and try to see the picture without you in it but as though your were observing another person doing and saying the things you do. Does it make any sense at all? Why do you come here?
You almost make it sound like there´s something illegitimite about coming to a discussion board for the purpose of voicing your opinion.
 
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3 and a half years, over 6,000 post on a subject you claim to have no interest in.
Again, can you just step back and look at this as though you were observing another person spending that much time and energy on something they claim to have no interest in whatsoever. What would be your thoughts?
 
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3 and a half years, over 6,000 post on a subject you claim to have no interest in.
Again, can you just step back and look at this as though you were observing another person spending that much time and energy on something they claim to have no interest in whatsoever. What would be your thoughts?
Less than a thousand posts and you want to question what's motivating another member's contributions?
 
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Hi Ana,

I can appreciate your interest in the general concept of "Truth," (whatever that may actually be), and I can understand your desire to have other people express mutual respect toward you for your own philosophical journey in life. In all likelihood, we all want these things to some extent.

However, just as you wish for religious people to be conceptually straight as to what constitutes your approach to atheism, I likewise wish for people of other viewpoints to not assume that just because I value Christian faith, I must therefore be somewhat "soggy" in the brain. In fact, I slightly resent the condescension I see in terms that might be applied to me, terms such as "manipulated, someone duped, someone struggling." I don't think I fit any of these categories.

So, on the one hand, I empathize with your desire to be respected, but on the other, you might be careful with any kind of over-reliance on a Peter Boghossian style of interaction with all religious people. Not all of us are flakes... ;)

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What's wrong with a Peter Boghossian style of interaction?
 
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actually it's quite correct.
there is a BIG difference between being unconvinced (agnostic) of a god, and outright stating (atheist) there is no god.
agnostics are at least willing to open mindedly explore the possibilities, whereas atheists are outright adamant in their belief.
please do not misrepresent it.

i am an agnostic, i am willing to see how some evidence might suggest a god, whereas atheists will dismiss it.

furthermore, what kind of human mind would you find the most rational?
one with a semblance of sanctity or one where there is absolutely none?
You're misrepresenting it.
 
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Is that the best you have?
You made an individual's posting history the subject. I pointed out that your own contributions thus far have been meagre by comparison. If you didn't want to discuss this, then perhaps you should have refrained from attacking another member for their posting history.
 
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3 and a half years, over 6,000 post on a subject you claim to have no interest in.
Again, can you just step back and look at this as though you were observing another person spending that much time and energy on something they claim to have no interest in whatsoever. What would be your thoughts?
If you could point out where he said that he had no interest in any subject he was posting his 6000 posts about... you would have a point.

As he didn't, my thoughts are rather: another pompous Christian who will resort to any means to shut atheists up.

If you cannot be honest with these little things...
 
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They could - but most don't - which is what I wrote.

"In order for an Atheist to be correct they'd have to prove no thing could possibly be God" - Completely wrong. For an atheist to be shown to have the wrong belief a god would have to be proven.
No, your argument is completely wrong. Those who believe in God , creator of all that exists, see all that is as God's creation.
All the atheist is doing is disagreeing with that. And when they side with science as cause that's even less credible. Because science posits theory as to the source of all that came to exist. But they have no proof, nor do they posit fact, as to what it was that created all things.
When they argued it was the Big Bang, they couldn't answer what it was that was created to go "BANG" in the first place.
It's logic. For atheists to argue there's no such thing as God they'd have to prove no thing could possible be God anywhere at all. Their denial and refusal to believe isn't proof God isn't there. It's proof they believe God isn't there.

Like the scenario about gold in Alaska. Someone says, there's no gold in Alaska.
They'd have to prove that. Because we know Alaska exists. We know that gold exists. The doubter about gold in Alaska would have to prove there is no gold in Alaska.
(Like the atheist claims there is no God at all).
To prove the proclamation that there is no gold in Alaska the doubter would have to excavate all of Alaska to prove their point.
Proving there is gold in Alaska isn't incumbent on the one that says to that skeptic, no, you're wrong, there is Gold in Alaska.
Proof falls on the one that makes the impossible declaration of, "no such thing".

All that exists is proof of God. The skeptic that claims God doesn't exist has to prove that while there is proof of existence, that there is no thing called God responsible for that. Because the proof of existence is in their face. Their contention that God isn't responsible , when they argue against cause of existence, makes the onus on the atheist to prove it.

Simply saying, uhuh it isn't God, isn't proof.

When nature itself, and science has no definitive answers either as to first cause
- That's just an argument from ignorance.
That's the best an atheist's got? ^_^ That you exist is proof of God. God having created everything that included creating your parents.
Prove God isn't there when you and your parents are.
Science can't prove God isn't real. Science can't prove something other than God created all that exists.

But you go ahead and believe God doesn't exist.
You do. When you argue God didn't make that possible. And Science can't prove something else is absolute as first cause, you're left in quite the quandary.
"No God" is an untenable belief system. Looking at all that exists and saying, yeah, but it isn't due to God, makes the onus on the one that argues against reality.


Go ahead.
 
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No, your argument is completely wrong. Those who believe in God , creator of all that exists, see all that is as God's creation.
All the atheist is doing is disagreeing with that. And when they side with science as cause that's even less credible. Because science posits theory as to the source of all that came to exist. But they have no proof, nor do they posit fact, as to what it was that created all things.
When they argued it was the Big Bang, they couldn't answer what it was that was created to go "BANG" in the first place.
It's logic. For atheists to argue there's no such thing as God they'd have to prove no thing could possible be God anywhere at all. Their denial and refusal to believe isn't proof God isn't there. It's proof they believe God isn't there.

Like the scenario about gold in Alaska. Someone says, there's no gold in Alaska.
They'd have to prove that. Because we know Alaska exists. We know that gold exists. The doubter about gold in Alaska would have to prove there is no gold in Alaska.
(Like the atheist claims there is no God at all).
To prove the proclamation that there is no gold in Alaska the doubter would have to excavate all of Alaska to prove their point.
Proving there is gold in Alaska isn't incumbent on the one that says to that skeptic, no, you're wrong, there is Gold in Alaska.
Proof falls on the one that makes the impossible declaration of, "no such thing".
What about someone who simply isn't convinced that there is gold in Alaska?
All that exists is proof of God.
How so?
The skeptic that claims God doesn't exist has to prove that while there is proof of existence, that there is no thing called God responsible for that. Because the proof of existence is in their face. Their contention that God isn't responsible , when they argue against cause of existence, makes the onus on the atheist to prove it.

Simply saying, uhuh it isn't God, isn't proof.

That's the best an atheist's got? ^_^ That you exist is proof of God. God having created everything that included creating your parents.
Prove God isn't there when you and your parents are.
Science can't prove God isn't real. Science can't prove something other than God created all that exists.

But you go ahead and believe God doesn't exist.
You do. When you argue God didn't make that possible. And Science can't prove something else is absolute as first cause, you're left in quite the quandary.
"No God" is an untenable belief system. Looking at all that exists and saying, yeah, but it isn't due to God, makes the onus on the one that argues against reality.


Go ahead.
 
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I'd say that consciousness is much more strongly evidence for brains.

Science has established a strong link between brains and conscious awareness.
it seems i must cede this point to you, or maybe i just didn't state it in the correct way.

don't get me wrong, i am in no way arguing FOR a god, i simply see things that suggest there is something other than what physical laws can explain.
does science really have an adequate understanding of the mind?
the brain of almost any animal completely outstrips even the most advanced supercomputer in terms of processing density.
OTOH, you are correct in one instance, how can you have an intelligence without an associated "brain"?
this intelligence, if there is one, must exist outside normal space-time.
a transdimensional entity could be this intelligence, eluding all attempts at discovery, but yet existing within the physical boundries of the universe.
 
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It's enough.


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No, it's not. It's just a cop-out when an atheist has no thing else to say.
What bold brass it is to claim no thing that exists could possibly be due to something called , God.

But what else is the source of First Cause Mr.Atheist?
Dunno! But it isn't God!

That's not enough. That's just as good as it gets.
 
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There is nothing inconsistent about being an atheist and being morally self-assured. Morality doesn't depend on the existence of gods.

Morality is a relative device rather then an absolution without God, and changes with culture.
The difference between man's morals and God's morals is that man's morals have to change when there is less granted. The less granted, the more man has to revert back to carnality.
 
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I don't think that most do....no.

Please keep in mind though, typically anti theism is opposition to religion. That's the context I've used it for here. Your non-religious theist is someone I've really only got one problem with lol

I think you are lumping too much together as all the same thing and bad, bad, bad because some of it is bad.

Should one be allowed to say "you may accept this to be true, and this and this, but not this - I forbid it, you may accept only those things I myself can accept."

Of course I don't know why you joined the site and you are welcome.

You do have a choice what threads to read.

What do you base your beliefs on?
 
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