Why I'm Anti-Theistic

[anonymous person]

Oh, you think I was apologising. No. I'm pointing out that your reasoning is inconsistent. What you stated earlier would imply that God is ultimately responsible for the damnation of souls.

God consigns the unbelieving wicked to hell.

The attitude you have is seen in a lot of people in prison. They blame the judge for their being there. They are loathe to take responsibility for their deeds and would rather blame anyone but themselves.

 

[quatona]

God consigns the unbelieving wicked to hell.

The attitude you have is seen in a lot of people in prison. They blame the judge for their being there. They are loathe to take responsibility for their deeds and would rather blame anyone but themselves.

Like e.g. the people in the Nazi concentration camps?

 

[Eudaimonist]

God does as He wills.

So does Big Brother in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four. That's not a justification, it's an admission of moral bankruptcy.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Archaeopteryx]

God consigns the unbelieving wicked to hell.

The attitude you have is seen in a lot of people in prison. They blame the judge for their being there. They are loathe to take responsibility for their deeds and would rather blame anyone but themselves.

Based on what you have stated, the judge is to blame. They are damned because he did not choose to "draw them to himself."

 

[asherahSamaria]

For the New Testament,

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€28 - wow.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't really think it matters in my case.

Agree.

 

[anonymous person]

So does Big Brother in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four. That's not a justification, it's an admission of moral bankruptcy.


eudaimonia,

Mark

And God has allowed you the freedom to make that judgment.

 

[Eudaimonist]

And God has allowed you the freedom to make that judgment.

Yippie.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Dialogist]

Seraphim Rose, huh? I'll check it out...I'm not big into reading philosophy though.

If the next book in the Stormlight Archive comes out though, I'll drop anything else I'm reading in a heartbeat.

OK, if you are not that into philosophy, you might not like the book I recommended. You might try a shorter book from him called God's Revelation to the Human Heart. Despite the hideous cover design, it is a good short book of his.

 

[Lukamu]

You're not the first person to point out that similarity. I think it's interesting too ...since we both claim to be concerned with the truth, yet arrive at such different conclusions.

I can only guess that the difference lies in how we each determine truth. Don't you think so?

Yes indeed - a mixture of experience, knowledge, observation, and thoughtfulness leads us both, I think!

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

led me to atheism when I was about 11

Because an inexperienced eleven year old is capable of determining such things that many adults struggle with.

Someone so young basing a solidified worldview is on no other basis than arbitrary sustenance.

 

[anonymous person]

Based on what you have stated, the judge is to blame. They are damned because he did not choose to "draw them to himself."

I already addressed this and plus there is available for your reading, much literature on this subject.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I already addressed this and plus there is available for your reading, much literature on this subject.

Does the literature do any better at explaining your inconsistency?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Because an inexperienced eleven year old is capable of determining such things that many adults struggle with.

Someone so young basing a solidified worldview is on no other basis than arbitrary sustenance.

Would you be saying the same thing if he had been "saved" at 11? No. You'd consider that praiseworthy.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Because an inexperienced eleven year old is capable of determining such things that many adults struggle with.

Someone so young basing a solidified worldview is on no other basis than arbitrary sustenance.

So, should eleven year olds not have any firm opinions regarding religion? Should they perhaps not be taught religion by their parents or in school, so that they don't form those strong opinions? Should they perhaps not be taken to church, in case they form those strong opinions?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Would you be saying the same thing if he had been "saved" at 11? No. You'd consider that praiseworthy.

All baptism is, is either a sacrament or a holy tradition into the legacy of a church body. It's not expected or needed of a child to know what they truly believe.

 

[anonymous person]

Does the literature do any better at explaining your inconsistency?

Loaded question.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Loaded question.

Of course it's loaded: you haven't explained anything. What you stated clearly placed the blame for damnation on your god. It's as simple as that.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

So, should eleven year olds not have any firm opinions regarding religion? Should they perhaps not be taught religion by their parents or in school, so that they don't form those strong opinions? Should they perhaps not be taken to church, in case they form those strong opinions?

I think the fact that people know that they didn't know what they wanted or truly believed when they were eleven, and yet perpetuate an idea that children do, speaks for itself.

This is the ongoing inconsistency along the lines of atheism and gender- they can't decide if they want to believe in God, but they can decide blatantly on the latter and among other things.

 

[anonymous person]

Of course it's loaded: you haven't explained anything. What you stated clearly placed the blame for damnation on your god. It's as simple as that.

Ok.