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Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

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Your name is an anagram of High Bile Blighter.
Thank you for the insult. I will rejoice in God my Savior (Matthew 5:11).


Perhaps you are right and we should take anagrams seriously.
We look through a glass darkly. Surely I do not have all the answers to everything in this life, but God surely does. God can see it all. Let all glory be unto the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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To answer the spirit of materialism that comes from Christmas:

"And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth." (Luke 12:15).
 
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Are you actually applying that to a parent playing make believe with their little child? A long time ago I used to play make believe with my nice when she was little that I had a small invisible dog named Sparky. Do I need to repent of that and apologize to her?
Yes.
 
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I do not rule it out as a coincidence.

Consider the parallels.

Strong In Him already responded to some of these parallels here, but there are a few points I wish to add.

1. The word Santa is a true anagram for the word Satan.

It is an anagram in English, but not in all languages, and not even in all English speaking areas, as in some "Father Christmas" is the more popular term. Satan is not an anagram for Father Christmas.

So it doesn't work universally even in English. But in other languages it doesn't work at all. Spanish and Portuguese spell the name of Satan as Satanás (better matching the New Testament spelling, Σατανᾶς (Satanas), than English does, actually), which is clearly not an anagram of Santa. But you might point out that other languages do use the Satan spelling. But looking at some of those, I see no anagram for Santa. In German, Santa Claus is Weihnachtsmann, which pretty obviously is not an anagram for Satan. In French, it's Père Noël, again not an anagram for Satan. In Dutch, it's Kerstman, once again not an anagram for Satan. Your argument relies on a spelling similarity in one language that doesn't even work for everyone in that language, and then ignoring the rest of the languages.

2. Santa and Satan have been depicted in red clothing.

So I did an image search for Satan. Most that put clothes on him have them be black. It isn't uncommon to see Satan's skin as colored red, which is perhaps what you allude to, but that's different from clothes. Even if one wants to try to make a comparison between the skin color of Satan and the clothes color of Santa, we run into an issue: Santa's clothes are commonly red and white. While one can easily find pictures of Satan with red skin, ones where Satan's skin is red and white are a rarity.
 
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Strong In Him already responded to some of these parallels here, but there are a few points I wish to add.
We had our many disagreements over the years over things I would consider basic to the Christian faith. So I did not look at her post.

It is an anagram in English, but not in all languages, and not even in all English speaking areas, as in some "Father Christmas" is the more popular term. Satan is not an anagram for Father Christmas.

So it doesn't work universally even in English. But in other languages it doesn't work at all. Spanish and Portuguese spell the name of Satan as Satanás (better matching the New Testament spelling, Σατανᾶς (Satanas), than English does, actually), which is clearly not an anagram of Santa. But you might point out that other languages do use the Satan spelling. But looking at some of those, I see no anagram for Santa. In German, Santa Claus is Weihnachtsmann, which pretty obviously is not an anagram for Satan. In French, it's Père Noël, again not an anagram for Satan. In Dutch, it's Kerstman, once again not an anagram for Satan. Your argument relies on a spelling similarity in one language that doesn't even work for everyone in that language, and then ignoring the rest of the languages.
First, I showed a pattern. That is what the list was for. If one does not want to see it, then by all means. One will not want to see it no matter how much of a pattern is made. Second, I believe English is the chosen language that God would use today to communicate, just as He had once chosen Greek, which at one time was the world language. I believe there is an amazing miracle or burning bush that people are not willing to see that is exists in reach for everyone. To learn more, see this video here.


So I did an image search for Satan. Most that put clothes on him have them be black. It isn't uncommon to see Satan's skin as colored red, which is perhaps what you allude to, but that's different from clothes. Even if one wants to try to make a comparison between the skin color of Satan and the clothes color of Santa, we run into an issue: Santa's clothes are commonly red and white. While one can easily find pictures of Satan with red skin, ones where Satan's skin is red and white are a rarity.
The point here is that he looks red. Squint your eyes, and you see a red like figure. The same would be true of Santa. We know red is associated with Satan. I do not see things in life as a coincidence when it comes to things like this. Well, if you know Christmas is an unbiblical holiday it will help you to see what I am trying to say. Oh, and what about that pic of St. Nick with the baby bowing to him? Pretty freaky. Surely this is a pattern of kids today who desire to ask a mythological being for material goods. The post office is even in on children writing to this imaginary being. So again, I see a pattern here. It’s not a good one. Granted, people can deny these patterns all they like. But what will ultimately convince a person is the truth of God’s Word and not what I say. Ultimately, the Bible will be the sword that will cut the heart and awake a person to see the truth on such a matter. Hence, my OP is more affective to change a person’s heart if they allow it. The verses should be prayed over with an open mind repeatedly throughout our life. Let us always examine our selves and take heed how we stand.
 
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It was not really written for you.
No, it probably wasn't.
But this is a public forum.
I am not interested in really convincing somebody to see something when they have a blindfold on.
I didn't come across that you were trying to convince anyone.
You told us there were similarities between Santa and Satan. There aren't.
Are you able to answer the points that I made? You should be able to defend what you have written.
Genuinely, please will you explain to me how "The Santa tries to be like the most high God", when a) you have said that Santa doesn't exist and b) we all know it is people who dress up in costumes to become Santa - hundreds of them.

Until then, there is no real point to have any current discourse between each other on this matter. No matter what I say, it will not be heard but merely attacked.
I'm sorry but I consider that I made valid points, and asked questions, about something that you wrote.
If you can't answer questions about your statements and beliefs; so be it. If you don't know the answer to something I have asked, and don't want to find out, think about it or discuss it; so be it.

You are entitled to your beliefs; we have that freedom here in the West.
You are not entitled to dismiss someone's questions with the words "you have a blindfold on, you will not see, you will have to answer to God."
 
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We had our many disagreements over the years over things I would consider basic to the Christian faith. So I did not look at her post.
You don't read what someone has said, in answer to your own post, because you've disagreed with them in the past?
That's not logical.
 
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So how is that statement even remotely going to convince me?
The short answer is that it doesn’t.
You have to actually get into the verses and make your case on a Scriptural level.
Granted, I am not really expecting a biblical response, but I do like to be proven wrong in such a case.
You've been proven wrong with Jeremiah, but I've seen no acknowledgement from you regarding the arguments put forth. You simply keep quoting the same verses and making the same claims, so the only person who fits the description of wearing a blindfold is yourself.
 
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The point here is that he looks red. Squint your eyes, and you see a red like figure.
Squint your eyes enough and everything looks the same. What a childish argument.
 
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You don't read what someone has said, in answer to your own post, because you've disagreed with them in the past?
That's not logical.
Jesus did not always reply back to everyone (See: Matthew 27:14).
He also did not chase after the many disciples that stopped following Him and try to explain it to them in more detail (i.e., 666 or I should say John 6:66). Jesus told the disciples, "Will ye also go away?" (John 6:67).

Matthew 10:14
"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

In other words, what is a point in trying to convince a person who you know will not hear you no matter what you say in regards to the faith?
 
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Squint your eyes enough and everything looks the same. What a childish argument.
I don’t think you understand. They both appear to be red in appearance. Most if asked to draw and color the devil, they will include red in many cases. Red in appearance is what I was getting at. Again, it is not just one link in the chain, either. This is not the sole reason. If we look at the pattern of evidence, there is a connection or pattern that can be seen. Is that pattern grounded in the truth? Well, seeing the secular worldly Christmas holiday has practices that do not align with the Bible, then the answer then it is highly probable that the acronym of Santa being Satan is fitting. My OP with the Bible verses makes my case that Christmas is not biblical. This is my primary argument. The Santa and Satan connection is merely an added bonus and not my main argument.

Peace and blessings be unto you in the Lord.
 
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You've been proven wrong with Jeremiah,
This is not the case at all. Nowhere does Jeremiah 10 say that God makes an allowance for the decorated tree as long as one does not worship it. Actually, if you read the chapter again, you will see that God tells us not to even copy the way of the heathens and cut a tree and decorate it. But people do it anyways because they love the things of this world.


but I've seen no acknowledgement from you regarding the arguments put forth. You simply keep quoting the same verses and making the same claims, so the only person who fits the description of wearing a blindfold is yourself.
My points have not been refuted. We need to have a clear example in Scripture showing you can have a tree that is decorated as long as you do not bow down to it. There is no such prescription in God’s Word. In fact, Jeremiah 10 says not to even have such an idol tree, copying the way of the heathen. You have to bring up the verses or the posts that have those Scripture verses that make that case. In fact, why don’t you just repost the verses here for me? It is because there is no such refutation.
 
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"Santa" means "holy". It is not an English word. If you believe there is significance in making anagrams in English of foreign words then I will leave you in your delusion.
 
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This is not the case at all. Nowhere does Jeremiah 10 say that God makes an allowance for the decorated tree as long as one does not worship it. Actually, if you read the chapter again, you will see that God tells us not to even copy the way of the heathens and cut a tree and decorate it. But people do it anyways because they love the things of this world.
Jeremiah 10 is describing the carving and decoration of an idol. The finished product does not resemble a tree at all. How many "carved" Christmas trees have you seen.

Yes, your blindfold is firmly fixed in place.
 
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"Santa" means "holy". It is not an English word. If you believe there is significance in making anagrams in English of foreign words then I will leave you in your delusion.
Do you believe God has a way of influencing a language? I do. In fact, God created all the different languages at the Tower of Babel. Sure, more languages like English later formed. But I believe God was also responsible for the formation of English because He was the One who created the first divergence of languages to begin with.

In John 21:17, Peter said to Jesus,
"Lord, thou knowest all things;"

So this means that Jesus knows every detail of the English language before it would even be formed. There would be no coincidences.
If you reverse, “evil," it is answering the call to, “live."

Granted, I have not done a full study on this matter, but there are English word connections to God’s Holy Word. Why? Because Jesus knew that there would be a Bible in English one day. He knows all things. It is not beyond the scope of God to know and influence things as He sees fit. God is ultimately the King over all things. There is nothing that can happen without His say so. At the cross, Jesus held all things together by the word of His POWER. Jesus who is God is in control. How we must seek His will and ways in everything according to His Word. Why? Because Jesus defeated the devil not by traditions but with the Word of God saying things like, ….

“It is written.“
 
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No. You are being ridiculous dear sir because you have absolutely zero biblical grounds to justify your lying.
Seems to me like you're doing a bit of damage to the truth by contending that the OT is talking about Christmas trees. Doesn't that qualify as lying?
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” (Proverbs 14:12).
"…every man did that which was right in his own eyes.” (Judges 21:25).
Physician, heal thyself.
Second, it would not be a lie to say it looks good within the realm or scope of comparison of children’s drawings.
So it's OK to lie in some circumstances. Got it.
You can also evade the question and say something like, “You are going to turn out to be one of the best artists, little buddy." So no. You don’t have to lie.
So if the lie is worded properly it's OK. Got it.

There are clever ways to answer in truth without having to insult her by openly saying she is fat.
I.E. acceptable ways of lying. Got it.

If you don’t have any examples, then you are making up your own standard of morality that does not align with the Bible.
Except as in the acceptable forms of lying you've just shown us. Got it.


You need to come out of the world system
Show us by example first.

Nothing I will say will convince you otherwise.
That is almost certain. Most of us here are immune to sanctimonious posturing.
Only the Word of God and the Spirit of God can change your heart
And for most of us, has.
Right now it does not seem like you are open to change at the moment.
You've offered nothing worth changhing to other than sanctimonious religiousity appeals to neo-phariseeism. Who needs it?

But God has a way of slowing chiseling away at our heart and mind in order to transform it to His desire in His beautiful timing.
That may even apply to you.
 
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Do you believe God has a way of influencing a language? I do. In fact, God created all the different languages at the Tower of Babel. Sure, more languages like English later formed. But I believe God was also responsible for the formation of English because He was the One who created the first divergence of languages to begin with.

In John 21:17, Peter said to Jesus,
"Lord, thou knowest all things;"

So this means that Jesus knows every detail of the English language before it would even be formed. There would be no coincidences.
If you reverse, “evil," it is answering the call to, “live."

Granted, I have not done a full study on this matter, but there are English word connections to God’s Holy Word. Why? Because Jesus knew that there would be a Bible in English one day. He knows all things. It is not beyond the scope of God to know and influence things as He sees fit. God is ultimately the King over all things. There is nothing that can happen without His say so. At the cross, Jesus held all things together by the word of His POWER. Jesus who is God is in control. How we must seek His will and ways in everything according to His Word. Why? Because Jesus defeated the devil not by traditions but with the Word of God saying things like, ….

“It is written.“
English is a b@st@rd language. It has been impacted by every one of the nations that took turns at invading the British Isles. It's grammar is a mess, words have multiple and sometimes contradictory meanings leading to a lot of ambiguity. If you want to pretend that English is God's chosen language then go for it, but it is a delusional position to take. In fact, I am seeing such a pattern in your arguments.

BTW, would I be correct in assuming you don't have much knowledge of any other languages besides English? Just a hunch.
 
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Because we are living in the last days.
We're all living in our Last Days.

You will not find many preaching the actual truth of God’s Word as it is.
Nor, apparently, have you.

Most churches are content to just make their members happy, and not to rock the boat\
I.E., they don't preach a lot of neo-Phariseeical rubbish that has little or nothing to do with the Christian Faith
Anyways, much of what I am saying is from the Bible itself.
And relatively little of it pertinent to the subject at hand.
So if you have a problem with what I am saying, you are taking issue with the Bible.
You and the the Bible aren't at all equally authoritartive.
 
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