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Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

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Do you believe God has a way of influencing a language? I do.
When it suits you, anyway.
In fact, God created all the different languages at the Tower of Babel. Sure, more languages like English later formed. But I believe God was also responsible for the formation of English because He was the One who created the first divergence of languages to begin with.
Interesting take on linguistics. Which English you reckon God created?
In John 21:17, Peter said to Jesus,
"Lord, thou knowest all things;"

So this means that Jesus knows every detail of the English language before it would even be formed. There would be no coincidences.
Hence "god" and"dog", right?
Granted, I have not done a full study on this matter
You don't say!
but there are English word connections to God’s Holy Word. Why? Because Jesus knew that there would be a Bible in English one day.
I still lean toward the Korean version.

He knows all things.
So I've heard.
 
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I do not rule it out as a coincidence.
There's a shocker.
Consider the parallels.
<ROFL>

God (JESUS) took on flesh and died in the place for Gentiles dogs.
What?
Today, many do not put stock in anagrams
Depends on how hard they're trying to make a spurious"point".
, but in the past these things were taken seriously.
I'm sure they were somewhere, by someone. Superstition we will always have with us.

St. Nicholas has indeed been seen in times past as a sort of god.
Citation, please. I think perhaps you're dealing in disinformation here.
You can see a pic of a baby bowing down to St. Nicholas being like a god here.
Right.
You have a pic of St. Nicholas being worshiped by a baby
Is this up there with the "bowing down" thing" again?
I like your religion less all the time. I've gone from regarding it as annoying to pernicious.
 
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You may have an uphill battle to convince everyone of your intent, though, since this particular holiday comes under fire from atheists as a way to take away our Christianity and Christian traditions.
For many of the same alleged "reasons"
 
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Not at all. I did not write Jeremiah 10:2-6
That one we've been over. Nothing to do wirth Christmas trees, reasonably more to with ornate furniture. But don't let the truth interfere with a good story, right?
 
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You're probably about the only one who doesn't.

Means nothing at all.
The word Santa is Spanish (Italian?)
Both.
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There is no "THE Santa". I'm sorry to disillusion you, but people dress up to play father Christmas. He/she can be found in any department store/school/church hall/pub at the same time as all other Santas. And guess what they do when their shift is over? Take their costumes off, go home and carry on their lives.
The Santas in Korean churches are particularly hilarious. For one, they're all Korean, their costumes are dragged out once a year so they're always sort of bedraggled and ill-fitting, always knows who "Santa" is, little kids seem to delight in pulling his beard down, and in general "Santa" can't ever seem to take it at all seriously. It's great fun.

"Santa" always shows up at the party following the Christmas service, where pretty much any kid growing up in a Korean church knows the Scripture by heart, often in both languages.
It was only a while ago that you were saying that there is no Santa and he is a lie - now you're claiming that he is some omnipotent, omniscient, divine being. You can't have it both ways.
For most of my life, "Santa:" was a Korean "jipsah", aka deacon. (Yeah, that's where my handle comes from.)
 
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English is a b@st@rd language. It has been impacted by every one of the nations that took turns at invading the British Isles. It's grammar is a mess, words have multiple and sometimes contradictory meanings leading to a lot of ambiguity.
That's what it's such a monster for foreigners to learn. I've tutored Korean kids for a great many years, and the ones who learn it fastest are those who learn quickest to rely on their ears and not worry about the rules too much.
 
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English is a b@st@rd language. It has been impacted by every one of the nations that took turns at invading the British Isles. It's grammar is a mess, words have multiple and sometimes contradictory meanings leading to a lot of ambiguity. If you want to pretend that English is God's chosen language then go for it, but it is a delusional position to take. In fact, I am seeing such a pattern in your arguments.

BTW, would I be correct in assuming you don't have much knowledge of any other languages besides English? Just a hunch.
This discussion actually falls into another topic I cannot talk about. Meaning, my freedom of speech is restricted. So your out of luck in my explaning this.

Peace and blessings be unto you in the name of the Lord.
 
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By implying that you only post scripture verses you are being deceptive.
Uh, what do you think happened when Jesus just quoted Scripture with the devil?
He offered no commentary. He just quoted Scripture, and said, it is written.
 
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Uh, what do you think happened when Jesus just quoted Scripture with the devil?
He offered no commentary. He just quoted Scripture, and said, it is written.
The devil did exactly the same thing, he quoted Scripture, so who are you emulating?
 
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This discussion actually falls into another topic I cannot talk about. Meaning, my freedom of speech is restricted. So your out of luck in my explaning this.
Those are the rules of the forums you signed up to.
 
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Jeremiah 10 is describing the carving and decoration of an idol. The finished product does not resemble a tree at all. How many "carved" Christmas trees have you seen.

Yes, your blindfold is firmly fixed in place.
I reread Jeremiah 10, and I read it in both the KJB and a Modern Translation. It does sound like you can read it as referring to an idol statue that would look like a human of some kind. That said, there is Deuteronomy 16:21-22. Verse 21 talks about not planting any tree near the altar of God, and verse 22 says not to set up an image that the Lord God hates. This sounds like one can read Jeremiah in a similar way in that it can refer to how one is not to even cut a tree down and decorate it with gold, etcetera. We are told not to follow the traditions of the heathen. The secular version of Christmas is originated from the practice of Saturnalia according to Catholic sources. Christmas exists today as a secular worldly holiday and is celebrated by atheists, agnostics, religionists (non-Christians), and Christians. This tells you that it is more of a worldly practice because everyone partakes in such a practice. There are elements in this practice that take on a religious component regardless of whether one is religious or not. The decorated trees, lights on the home, the Santa mythos, gift giving among loved ones, a grand feast, advent calendar. It is a national recognized holiday. Even donut day is recognized as a holiday although it is not as popular unless one wants free donuts or something. Nowhere in Scripture are we encouraged to engage in national holidays celebrated by all people. Christians are to be holy and separate from the world.
 
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Uh, what do you think happened when Jesus just quoted Scripture with the devil?
He offered no commentary. He just quoted Scripture, and said, it is written.
Yeah but you on the other hand offer lots of your own personal commentary rather than just quote scripture verbatim. And you probably know that, and if so you're being deceptive. Unless you think all your personal commentary is tantamount to scripture. Which wouldn't surprise me. There's a guy on usenet who thinks all of his personal commentary is from the Holy Spirit, and if you argue against anything he comes up with, you've committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You kinda remind me of him.
 
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Those are the rules of the forums you signed up to.
Actually, it was a newly created rule which was coincidentally implemented at the same time I alone was passionately defending such said topic. But in either case, may Jesus get all the glory.

May God bless you.
 
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The devil did exactly the same thing, he quoted Scripture, so who are you emulating?
Actually, the devil misquoted Scripture and he did not speak God’s Word as his authority as Jesus did. He actually challenged Jesus’ claim that He was the Son of God, and he desired Jesus to worship him. In the Garden, the devil actually boldly questioned the veracity of God’s words. Today, many do the same thing.
 
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I reread Jeremiah 10, and I read it in both the KJB and a Modern Translation. It does sound like you can read it as referring to an idol statue that would look like a human of some kind. That said, there is Deuteronomy 16:21-22. Verse 21 talks about not planting any tree near the altar of God, and verse 22 says not to set up an image that the Lord God hates. This sounds like one can read Jeremiah in a similar way in that it can refer to how one is not to even cut a tree down and decorate it with gold, etcetera. We are told not to follow the traditions of the heathen. The secular version of Christmas is originated from the practice of Saturnalia according to Catholic sources. Christmas exists today as a secular worldly holiday and is celebrated by atheists, agnostics, religionists (non-Christians), and Christians. This tells you that it is more of a worldly practice because everyone partakes in such a practice. There are elements in this practice that take on a religious component regardless of whether one is religious or not. The decorated trees, lights on the home, the Santa mythos, gift giving among loved ones, a grand feast, advent calendar. It is a national recognized holiday. Even donut day is recognized as a holiday although it is not as popular unless one wants free donuts or something. Nowhere in Scripture are we encouraged to engage in national holidays celebrated by all people. Christians are to be holy and separate from the world.
This reminds me of what Jehovah's Witness says. No mother's day, birthdays, doughnut day etc.
 
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Actually, it was a newly created rule which was coincidentally implemented at the same time I alone was passionately defending such said topic. But in either case, may Jesus get all the glory.

May God bless you.
Elevating one translation in one language denigrates God's Word in other languages and does not glorify God.
 
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Actually, the devil misquoted Scripture and he did not speak God’s Word as his authority as Jesus did. He actually challenged Jesus’ claim that He was the Son of God, and he desired Jesus to worship him. In the Garden, the devil actually boldly questioned the veracity of God’s words. Today, many do the same thing.
The devil quoted Psalm 91:11-12 in Luke 4. How did he misquote Scripture?
 
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Yeah but you on the other hand offer lots of your own personal commentary rather than just quote scripture verbatim. And you probably know that, and if so you're being deceptive.
So you believe it is deceptive to quote Scripture verses alone or are you saying it is deceptive to quote Scripture with commentary?
If so, can you explain why that is?
Or are you just throwing around mindless accusations without any biblical backing?
The burden of proof is on you to bring up a Bible verse on why you think I am being deceptive.
Just claiming so without any evidence is just a hollow and empty claim.

Unless you think all your personal commentary is tantamount to scripture. Which wouldn't surprise me. There's a guy on usenet who thinks all of his personal commentary is from the Holy Spirit, and if you argue against anything he comes up with, you've committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You kinda remind me of him.
Uh, no. I am not like that. There are things in the faith that I can disagree on with other believers that would not be a fellowship issue, and there are things that would cause me to break fellowship over. It depends on what that particular thing is.

In fact, there are 21 theological things I have changed my mind on over the years and other believers have been helpful in that change.


So no. I am not claiming I always have gotten it right on day one. I had to grow and mature in my study of God’s Word, and I have let Scripture from other believers correct my thinking many times (Which is something that I do not see to often when I encounter other Christians). Granted, I am not trying to boast or anything. I am nothing, and Christ is everything. Any good in my life is due to Him. May Jesus Christ get all the praise and glory and not me.
 
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