Why I Left/Am Leaving The Salvation Army and Protestantism

[Jackson Cooper]

I also have a problem with Sola Scriptura being a relatively recent invention. Plus, SS is not in scripture, so I would think that makes it self-refuting.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I also have a problem with Sola Scriptura being a relatively recent invention. Plus, SS is not in scripture, so I would think that makes it self-refuting.

plus, no one actually believes it in practice.

 

[Jackson Cooper]

plus, no one actually believes it in practice.

How is that?

 

[prodromos]

How is that?

They all interpret Scripture according to the particular framework they have accepted, be it Calvinism or some other "ism". Everyone has a tradition within which they interpret Scripture.

 

[ArmyMatt]

How is that?

because if they did, they would never call God Trinity, say One God in Three Persons, affirm the invisible Church theory. etc since none of those are in Scripture.

 

[All4Christ]

To be fair, the original meaning of Sola Scriptura did not mean abandoning all tradition or theology of the early church. The modern application by many churches, especially those who consider tradition to be wholly unnecessary, doesn’t follow the original intent. The original intent was fairly similar to Prima Scriptura, though not identical.

Certainly I disagree with Sola Scriptura...but I am someone who likes to portray things as accurately as possible

 

[~Anastasia~]

To be fair, the original meaning of Sola Scriptura did not mean abandoning all tradition or theology of the early church. The modern application by many churches, especially those who consider tradition to be wholly unnecessary, doesn’t follow the original intent. The original intent was fairly similar to Prima Scriptura, though not identical.

Certainly I disagree with Sola Scriptura...but I am someone who likes to portray things as accurately as possible

That's a good point. I was shocked when I read a piece written by Martin Luther concerning Sola Scriptura. I wasn't Orthodox yet, but I couldn't see a difference in his description and Orthodoxy. I started a thread on here (that I've looked for repeatedly since then). But when it comes up for most modern Protestants (particularly those who are products of the Radical Reformation or later) ... what they take it to mean is nothing like what Luther intended.

"Faith alone" is another striking "evolution" of the radical reformers and later. Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick did a good job of explaining this in his Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy podcast.

 

[All4Christ]

That's a good point. I was shocked when I read a piece written by Martin Luther concerning Sola Scriptura. I wasn't Orthodox yet, but I couldn't see a difference in his description and Orthodoxy. I started a thread on here (that I've looked for repeatedly since then). But when it comes up for most modern Protestants (particularly those who are products of the Radical Reformation or later) ... what they take it to mean is nothing like what Luther intended.

"Faith alone" is another striking "evolution" of the radical reformers and later. Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick did a good job of explaining this in his Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy podcast.

I really like Fr. Andrew’s podcast series...very helpful and balanced!

 

[ArmyMatt]

To be fair, the original meaning of Sola Scriptura did not mean abandoning all tradition or theology of the early church. The modern application by many churches, especially those who consider tradition to be wholly unnecessary, doesn’t follow the original intent. The original intent was fairly similar to Prima Scriptura, though not identical.

Certainly I disagree with Sola Scriptura...but I am someone who likes to portray things as accurately as possible

a very good point. and raises another issue, that Protestants often don't even agree with their own founders.

 

[Andrei D]

They don't agree with their own selves, sometimes.

Anyone, no matter what else they think or do, no matter anything whatsoever, no matter sins, no matter when, no matter how, if they accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior they are saved, period.

BUT... Catholics (and by extension Orthodox) will surely never be saved because they have wrong teachings about salvation through works and they are told they need to go to church for salvation.

 

[All4Christ]

Not all believe in OSAS The Pentecostal Church I grew up in did not hold to that. There are many variations between the different denominations and churches.