Why I Don't Like Homosexuals

[Ohioprof]

The lifestyle that denys Christ and gives into the flesh.

I do neither. And I am gay.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I do neither. And I am gay.

Hey, we will just have to agree to disagree then won't we ? I just quoted the BIBLE.

 

[kiwimac]

Homosexuality is a part of the continuum which is normal human sexuality. To assert, as Carmody is, that it is inherently immoral is to assert that all human sexuality is also inherently immoral.

 

[Amélie Unbound]

I haven't read through this whole thread, but I'd like to share my experiences.

When I was 14, I was attacked and sexually assaulted by a man in a park.

When I was 18, I was raped by a man at a party.

When I was 19, I was followed, sexually harrassed, and threatened by a strange man while walking home from work.

Do you see me starting threads titled, "Why I Don't Like Heterosexuals"? (Of course, being heterosexual myself, that would just be silly, but I'm sure you see my point.)

There are deviants and predators of all sexual orientations. It's not right to dislike an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

 

[Ohioprof]

Hey, we will just have to agree to disagree then won't we ? I just quoted the BIBLE.

If you are quoting, then you need quotation marks.

 

[Ohioprof]

I haven't read through this whole thread, but I'd like to share my experiences.

When I was 14, I was attacked and sexually assaulted by a man in a park.

When I was 18, I was raped by a man at a party.

When I was 19, I was followed, sexually harrassed, and threatened by a strange man while walking home from work.

Do you see me starting threads titled, "Why I Don't Like Heterosexuals"? (Of course, being heterosexual myself, that would just be silly, but I'm sure you see my point.)

There are deviants and predators of all sexual orientations. It's not right to dislike an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

You are so right.

 

[BAFRIEND]

If you are quoting, then you need quotation marks.

malfunction again

 

[BAFRIEND]

If you are quoting, then you need quotation marks.

malfunction again again again

 

[BAFRIEND]

If you are quoting, then you need quotation marks.

malfunction

 

[BAFRIEND]

If you are quoting, then you need quotation marks.

The quote from the bible is within the wrap tags this forum provides- no qms are necessary.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Homosexuality is a part of the continuum which is normal human sexuality. To assert, as Carmody is, that it is inherently immoral is to assert that all human sexuality is also inherently immoral.

I understand that you are a Priest, but stating that homosexuality is an objective moral disorder is a direct statement made by cardinal Ratzinger the current Pope while he was writing for Pope JP II. Not just my opinion, but within the context of the beliefs and theology of the RCC which I am a member of.

 

[Ohioprof]

I understand that you are a Priest, but stating that homosexuality is an objective moral disorder is a direct statement made by cardinal Ratzinger the current Pope while he was writing for Pope JP II. Not just my opinion, but within the context of the beliefs and theology of the RCC which I am a member of.

Not all Christians are Catholics.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Homosexuality is a part of the continuum which is normal human sexuality. To assert, as Carmody is, that it is inherently immoral is to assert that all human sexuality is also inherently immoral.

Also, while I hold that not all homosexuals are so by choice, I also believe that those who are so through biological reasons are miniscule. Most have homosexual orientations due to emotional or social environmental problems/confusion.

 

[spinningtutu]

I knew Ratzinger was up to no good.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Not all Christians are Catholics.

I did not say all Christians are Catholics, some are Baptists or Pentacostals, The first of which is mainly against the gay lifestyle and the latter of which is notoriously against it.

Kiwimac is an Angelican and not a Catholic.

as for dividing the issue on denominational lines, this isnot the forum for it... but I think you will find that the large majority of Christian denominations hold the theology and belief that homosexuality/gay lifestyle is wrong.

 

[CShephard53]

I thought this thread was to express how one dislikes homosexuals as a group? Not nitpicking over semantics.

You can use whatever terminology you want, but it's inaccurate and misleading to say "gay lifestyle." It's the terminology used mostly by the anti-gay religious right, which seeks to dismiss who gay people are by labeling our lives a "lifestyle." I don't have a "gay lifestyle." I have a full and complete life.

It's not inaccurate or misleading if I state exactly what I mean. Which I have. Three times now. I don't care what kind of life you live, as long as it honors God. Deciding to live as a homosexual rather than celibate is dishonoring to God, as it ignores what He's given us in His word, which you so blatantly dismiss by calling it inaccurate without any evidence as to why.

You also insist on distinguising between gay people who are in relationships or want to be and gay people who, apparently for religious reasons, decide to remain celibate. It sounds, from your post, like you hope to see more gay people choose celibacy.

Yes I do insiste, because there is a difference. If there wasn't a difference, there would be no need for the differentiation between the two. And yes, I hope to see more gays choose celebacy, because that's what God wants as He has expressed in His word. That's fact per the Bible, but you don't care and seem to want to correct me every time I express my view. That's crap. There's no reason for you to do that. I say what I mean and mean what I say.

There will be a few gay people who will decide, for various reasons, that they will never enter into an intimate relationship with a partner or spouse. Just a few. Very few.

Statistics, please?

I have known hundreds of fellow gay people in my life. I have lived in gay communities, and I have worked with other gay people for equal treatment under the law. I have known zero gay people who decided to stay celibate because they think that being gay is a "sin."

You've just met one.

Maybe I don't know these people because they hang out in conservative churches and not with other gay people. But there certainly are not many of them.

Do you think there're going to remain celibate by hanging with those who press for practicing the lifestyle (yes, I'll continue to call it that, as I've clarified what I mean)?

Forming an intimate relationship with a loving partner is a way of finding deep personal fulfillment for people of any sexual orientation. Few adults are willing to give that up in order to follow a religion that insists that having an intimate relationship is a "sin." Why should gay people want to do this, after all? There are Christian churches that do not insist that having an intimate relationship is a "sin," and they welcome gay people as we are.

Have fun deluding yourselves, then. I go by the Bible, which is not a religion, but a relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ. Nicene Creed.

Why should gay people want it? Because it doesn't leave you fulfilled. You want more and more. Why? Because it is sin, plain and simple.

You and some others in this forum seem to expect gay people to do what you are not willing to do in your life: eschew an intimate loving partnership with a committed spouse. You apparently expect gay people to give up deep love with a spouse in service to your religious beliefs, while you yourself are free to marry and have an intimate life partnership with a spouse.

I? I expect others to do what I haven't done? Read between the lines:
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I have SSA's and choose to remain celibate, never have sex or a romantic relationship with other men, to honor God in what He has commanded about homosexuality.
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I'm free to marry women. The Bible permits it. You are free to marry men. The Bible permits it. I live my life by the Bible. Why is that so hard for you to accept? Why is that so difficult to understand? I'm not pressing anyone on this site to choose what I've chosen. I'm not harassing people to not be gay. I'm stating what the Bible says on the issue, and what 'science' says on the issue. In the process a bit of my opinion might get thrown in, but even that is what I've deduced from the information that I have researched about homosexuality and my own conscience.

2) There are different ways to be Christian. Not all Christians think alike, and not all Christians think that being gay is a "sin."

Not all people call them Christians either. Christian. Christ-follower. I've repeated that to you before.

Are you done scrutinizing me? Are you done spouting off on how misguided you apparently think I am? My views aren't changing. I don't expect yours to. But I do expect you to show at least a little respect for what I've chosen to do. I do expect you to live by what you've claimed to be- a Christian. I don't expect you to change your mind just for my sake- it's God's job to do the convincing. Call me young and nieve, I don't care. But don't keep pressuring/riduculing/ripping on me in the decisions I've made about this issue. That's rude.

 

[CShephard53]

Homosexuality is a part of the continuum which is normal human sexuality. To assert, as Carmody is, that it is inherently immoral is to assert that all human sexuality is also inherently immoral.

A:
Define normal.
B:
Explain how condemning one 'form of sexuality' and not another condemns them both.
C:
That's a jump in logic. Just because one condemns homosexuality of any kind does not mean one condemns all sexuality. That's an unbased assumption that you have made.

 

[kiwimac]

I define normal sexuality as being part of a continuum which runs from Heterosexuals who are not interested in same-sex sex to homosexuals who are intensely disinterested in women.

If you assert that one part of that continuum is abnormal or immoral you assert, by definition, that all of the continuum is similarly disordered or SISTM.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I define normal sexuality as being part of a continuum which runs from Heterosexuals who are not interested in same-sex sex to homosexuals who are intensely disinterested in women.

If you assert that one part of that continuum is abnormal or immoral you assert, by definition, that all of the continuum is similarly disordered or SISTM.

Well, first you have to believe that homosexuality is a normal in humans.

There is no proof for it.

Awhile back, it was claimed that a biological factor was found in homosexuality... when you read the claim n full it states its biological orgin was discovered in only two percent of homosexuals.

Hardly proof evidence that homosexuality is biological. What does that state about that other 98% ?

Science has been unable to locate or pinpoint the mind within physical brain function, so mind = biological is still a matter of metaphysics.

So, how can you assert that a homosexual orientation in part of the normal sexual spectrum when all of science has been unable to do it ?

Explain that here, and then go collect your Nobel Prize.

 

[CShephard53]

I define normal sexuality as being part of a continuum which runs from Heterosexuals who are not interested in same-sex sex to homosexuals who are intensely disinterested in women.

If you assert that one part of that continuum is abnormal or immoral you assert, by definition, that all of the continuum is similarly disordered or SISTM.

You're putting a lot of unbacked assumptions on the table.