Why I Don't Like Homosexuals

[Zaac]

Also, as I asked you in another thread, what sin are you accusing me of?

The same ones God will accuse you of lest you repent and turn to Him.

You're walking that broad road that leads to destruction. There is NOTHING about anything that you say that gives testimony to a relationship with Christ. There is no fruit and frankly everything you say labels you not as heretic, but just lost.

 

[Ohioprof]

The same ones God will accuse you of lest you repent and turn to Him.

You're walking that broad road that leads to destruction. There is NOTHING about anything that you say that gives testimony to a relationship with Christ. There is no fruit and frankly everything you say labels you not as heretic, but just lost.

What sin? You are not answering my question. You say that I am "walking the broad road to destruction," but for what? For thinking differently from you?

 

[Zaac]

You still have not answered my question. What "sin" are you accusing me of? Heresy? Disagreeing with you? Calling myself a Christian when you do not think I am one?

I haven't accused you of any sin of which God has not accused you. You accuse yourself by your actions and words.

And I don't have to think you're anything when you constantly give testimony as to what you are and are not.

You don't recognize your sin because you reject the Word of God which is the standard to righteously judge your sin. This explains why you're living in confusion with no light shined on what is right and what is wrong.

You think you get to decide what's right and what's wrong. And if everyone chose for himself what is right and what is wrong, there would be no absolute truth, but merely every man doing what is right in his own eyes. And if you read your Bible, you'd understand where that came from and why it was said then and why it's being said now.

What you think authors confusion and is not of God, which is of no surprise.

 

[Ohioprof]

I haven't accused you of any sin of which God has not accused you. You accuse yourself by your actions and words.

And I don't have to think you're anything when you constantly give testimony as to what you are and are not.

God has never accused me of anything. But you have, and yet you refuse to say what "sin" you think I have committed or am committing. In another thread, you accused me of not believing in the Bible so I could just go on sinning. But what sin do you imagine I am engaging in?

If you are going to accuse someone of something, you need to be willing to say what you are accusing them of. Otherwise, the accusation is meaningless and pointless.

 

[Zaac]

God has never accused me of anything. But you have, and yet you refuse to say what "sin" you think I have committed or am committing. In another thread, you accused me of not believing in the Bible so I could just go on sinning. But what sin do you imagine I am engaging in?

Test your mouth and actions against God's Word. But yet again, impossible to do since you reject His Word.

And I haven't said anything about you believing in the Bible. The Bible can't save you.

If you are going to accuse someone of something, you need to be willing to say what you are accusing them of. Otherwise, the accusation is meaningless and pointless.

Read the Bible if you want to know of what you are accused. You thinking something is meaningless and pointless makes it no less true.

 

[Ohioprof]

Test your mouth and actions against God's Word. But yet again, impossible to do since you reject His Word.

And I haven't said anything about you believing in the Bible. The Bible can't save you.



Read the Bible if you want to know of what you are accused. You thinking something is meaningless and pointless makes it no less true.

Well, I recommend that you not accuse me of "sin" if you are not going to say what "sin" you are accusing me of. All you are doing now is leveling personal attacks. Why do you care if someone disagrees with you? There will always be people who disagree with you.

If you here to attack people personally who disagree with you, then you are accomplishing nothing. If you are here to try to convert people who disagree with you to your way of thinking, then you are also accomplishing nothing. If you are here to discuss, respectfully, the issues at hand and to listen to other viewpoints, then I think that's making good use of the forums. But as I said, why do you care if I don't agree with you? Why is my disagreement a "sin" worthy of my condemnation, in your opinion?

 

[BlueAfgani]

This topic is a perfect example of the hate and ignorance from which the anti-gays come from and derive their opinions.

As far as "objective moral disorder", pedophilia ranks a lot higher on that scale, yet the Church has essentially condoned mass pedophilia among the clergy, moving preists from one parish to anothe, and refusing to cooperate with the authorities in putting them in prison.

When the Catholic Church stops aiding pedophiles in their perversion, then I might not laugh when Catholics talk to me about "objective morality".

 

[UberLutheran]

What a lie against me.

You are a mod, you cannot see that I have not reported anyone ?

If you're not trying to pick fights, then why the generally hostile, defensive and belligerent tone towards anybody who happens to disagree with you?

You read into statements such as "none of the gay and lesbian people have a problem with homosexuality, but you certainly seem to have a problem with homosexuality" as an indictment that you are gay. It's not: it's an indictment that you're the one who has a problem with people being gay or lesbian — a problem, I might add, that you're utterly powerless to change.

You lump gays and pedophiles into one group and then make the assumption that gays are pedophiles because someone hit on you when you were 14.

Ask the gay people who post here if they have a problem with homosexuality (or heterosexuality, for that matter). They certainly don't. On the other hand, you're the one who comes in here making blanket generalizations about groups of people based on the actions of a few — which don't apply to the group as a whole; taking people's statements out of context and then personalizing them when those statements were never intended to be personalized; making snide and snarky statements to people and then becoming defensive and claiming you're being "persecuted" when people respond back to you in kind.

Sorry, kid: that dog's just not going to hunt.

 

[CShephard53]

I do read your posts. You don't know many gay people. I'm not being rude. I am introducing myself so you can get to know gay people....real gay people. How is that rude?

There is no such thing as "the gay lifestyle." Please remember this and stop using "lifestyle" in reference to gay people. Got it? The people who refer to "the gay lifestyle" are mostly the anti-gay crowd who want people to believe that being gay is a "lifestyle," when in fact it is not, anymore than being heterosexual is a "lifestyle." Gay people live many different lifestyles. I live the mommy lifestyle, if you can call it that....taking my child to school now each morning. How exciting this is that my daughter has started school, but that is off topic; sorry.

Anyway, you show by your posts that you don't know many gay people, because if you did, you would know more about us than you obviously do. But that's okay. There are gay people here like me, and you can get to know us and learn something from the interaction. It's a great opportunity for you.

Don't try to tell me what to do, please. I've clarified what I mean by homosexual lifestyle. I don't care if you call it something different. But don't tell me what I can and can't call it.
Additionally, ohioprof...

Btw, you said in your previous post that you know only two gay people, and you characterized both of them negatively. And how can you form any opinion of me, since you have never met me, and we have never had any kind of personal conversation that I can recall? I don't have an opinion of you, because I don't know you at all. I am certainly willing to get to know you, at least online, which is why I introduced myself to you. I am always open to meeting new people, and I tend to assume the best of them.

NO, you don't read do you? I said I only know two who actively practice the lifestyle, and I told you exactly what I meant by that. Do I need to spell it out? I only personally know two people that are attracted to the same sex and act on those attractions by having a relationship, etc. Gay lifestyle. If you have a problem with me calling a life decision or life view or life practice a lifestyle, that's your problem, not mine. You assumed, based on your misjudged idea of what I was saying, that I don't know many who have SSA's. YET, though you assume things about me, you haven't made an opinion about me? I don't buy it.

Ohioprof, you've seen my posts in at least four threads involving homosexuality. You know my views on it for the most part, you know that I have SSA's myself. So why you're introducing yourself under the impression that I don't know many is beyond me. I'm not a fool.

 

[HaloHope]

I often see posts on here and other forums talking about the "gay lifestyle" etc. This (as far as I can tell) is the impression that when someone enters a sexual relationship with someone of the same-sex their lifestyle magically and dramatically alters to one focussed around sex. Somehow wanting to enter into an emotionally and physically fulfilling relationship with the people they are attracted too (you know like hetrosexuals are "aloud" too without getting crap from people) means the homosexual in question is a sex obsessed pervert (going by this crazy anti-gay logic anyway).

What confuses me about all this, is the fact that it dosent remotely have a single bearing in reality. A homosexual wanting to enter into a relationship with the person they love is no different to a hetrosexual doing so. Do hetrosexuals suddenly magically become immoral once they are intimate with the person they intend to spend their life with? NO! Neither do homosexuals.

A gay person having sex with a monogamous partner is not a sin, its not immoral, theres no logical reason why it would or could be. Neither does being in a same-sex relationship make you depressed and prone to drugs or suicide. What really comes from a gay man or woman living a life with a partner of the same-sex they care for greatly, is the emotional fulfillment that all couples of genders get from being with the person they love. Its not about sex, sex just happens to be the way hetrosexuals express romantic love, and there is no reasons homosexuals cant share that with their partners either.

All a gay person in a relationship is doing is being honest to themselves and looking for happiness with another human being they love.

 

[BAFRIEND]

You lump gays and pedophiles into one group and then make the assumption that gays are pedophiles because someone hit on you when you were 14.

Baloney. I said that heterosexuality, homosexuality, and pedophilia are sexual orientations and that because the debate on homosexuality is a matter of orientation that bringing in pedophilia as a point of debate as regards to arguing against homosexuality as being a relative personal matter is ligitimate.

 

[BAFRIEND]

If you are leading a gay lifestyle, then you are guilty of the sin of scandal against the Sacrament of marriage and against the commandment forbidding adultery. Because you promote this lifestyle and encourage others, you are endangering the souls of those you persuade as well as eroding social values.

You remember what happened with Satan and Adam and Eve ? Satan told Adam and Eve that they could disobey God. Satan was an Angel, a being created and meant to be Gods messenger and with the ability to conform to God's will. Look how God dealt with Satan when he interferred with a straight couple.

You say that you are a Christian, that means you are supposed to help us build God's Kingdom on earth... to spread God's message... but look at the message you are sending.

 

[Ohioprof]

Don't try to tell me what to do, please. I've clarified what I mean by homosexual lifestyle. I don't care if you call it something different. But don't tell me what I can and can't call it.
Additionally, ohioprof...


NO, you don't read do you? I said I only know two who actively practice the lifestyle, and I told you exactly what I meant by that. Do I need to spell it out? I only personally know two people that are attracted to the same sex and act on those attractions by having a relationship, etc. Gay lifestyle. If you have a problem with me calling a life decision or life view or life practice a lifestyle, that's your problem, not mine. You assumed, based on your misjudged idea of what I was saying, that I don't know many who have SSA's. YET, though you assume things about me, you haven't made an opinion about me? I don't buy it.

Ohioprof, you've seen my posts in at least four threads involving homosexuality. You know my views on it for the most part, you know that I have SSA's myself. So why you're introducing yourself under the impression that I don't know many is beyond me. I'm not a fool.

You can use whatever terminology you want, but it's inaccurate and misleading to say "gay lifestyle." It's the terminology used mostly by the anti-gay religious right, which seeks to dismiss who gay people are by labeling our lives a "lifestyle." I don't have a "gay lifestyle." I have a full and complete life.

You also insist on distinguising between gay people who are in relationships or want to be and gay people who, apparently for religious reasons, decide to remain celibate. It sounds, from your post, like you hope to see more gay people choose celibacy.

There will be a few gay people who will decide, for various reasons, that they will never enter into an intimate relationship with a partner or spouse. Just a few. Very few.

I have known hundreds of fellow gay people in my life. I have lived in gay communities, and I have worked with other gay people for equal treatment under the law. I have known zero gay people who decided to stay celibate because they think that being gay is a "sin." Maybe I don't know these people because they hang out in conservative churches and not with other gay people. But there certainly are not many of them.

Forming an intimate relationship with a loving partner is a way of finding deep personal fulfillment for people of any sexual orientation. Few adults are willing to give that up in order to follow a religion that insists that having an intimate relationship is a "sin." Why should gay people want to do this, after all? There are Christian churches that do not insist that having an intimate relationship is a "sin," and they welcome gay people as we are.

You and some others in this forum seem to expect gay people to do what you are not willing to do in your life: eschew an intimate loving partnership with a committed spouse. You apparently expect gay people to give up deep love with a spouse in service to your religious beliefs, while you yourself are free to marry and have an intimate life partnership with a spouse.

 

[Ohioprof]

If you are leading a gay lifestyle, then you are guilty of the sin of scandal against the Sacrament of marriage and against the commandment forbidding adultery. Because you promote this lifestyle and encourage others, you are endangering the souls of those you persuade as well as eroding social values.

You remember what happened with Satan and Adam and Eve ? Satan told Adam and Eve that they could disobey God. Satan was an Angel, a being created and meant to be Gods messenger and with the ability to conform to God's will. Look how God dealt with Satan when he interferred with a straight couple.

You say that you are a Christian, that means you are supposed to help us build God's Kingdom on earth... to spread God's message... but look at the message you are sending.

There is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle." Being gay, and living fully, is not a "sin."

 

[Ohioprof]

If you are leading a gay lifestyle, then you are guilty of the sin of scandal against the Sacrament of marriage and against the commandment forbidding adultery. Because you promote this lifestyle and encourage others, you are endangering the souls of those you persuade as well as eroding social values.

You remember what happened with Satan and Adam and Eve ? Satan told Adam and Eve that they could disobey God. Satan was an Angel, a being created and meant to be Gods messenger and with the ability to conform to God's will. Look how God dealt with Satan when he interferred with a straight couple.

You say that you are a Christian, that means you are supposed to help us build God's Kingdom on earth... to spread God's message... but look at the message you are sending.

I am trying to send several messages. They are as follows:

1) Being gay is not a "sin." Neither is having an intimate relationship with a committed life partner, whether that partner is of the same sex or the opposite sex.

2) There are different ways to be Christian. Not all Christians think alike, and not all Christians think that being gay is a "sin."

3) Gay people should be respected for who we are, and Christians who dislike us or think we are engaging in "sin" should mind their own business and stop preaching at us and pointing fingers at us and throwing stones at us. They should not try to deny us equal treatment under the law either. These Christians who preach at, point fingers at, and throw stones at gay people are not helping anyone, and they are just giving Christians in general a bad name. They turn people off to their form of Christianity, especially the gay people they say they are trying to reach.

 

[BAFRIEND]

There is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle." Being gay, and living fully, is not a "sin."

There is too a gay lifestyle. What is going on here is the attempt to repaint the culture to make sin look like something it is not.

I am not buying it. Homosexuality is an objective moral evil.

 

[Ohioprof]

There is too a gay lifestyle. What is going on here is the attempt to repaint the culture to make sin look like something it is not.

I am not buying it. Homosexuality is an objective moral evil.

What, then, is the "gay lifestyle" that you insist exists? I am gay. Tell me what my "lifestyle" is.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I am trying to send several messages. They are as follows:

1) Being gay is not a "sin." Neither is having an intimate relationship with a committed life partner, whether that partner is of the same sex or the opposite sex.

2) There are different ways to be Christian. Not all Christians think alike, and not all Christians think that being gay is a "sin."

3) Gay people should be respected for who we are, and Christians who dislike us or think we are engaging in "sin" should mind their own business and stop preaching at us and pointing fingers at us and throwing stones at us. They should not try to deny us equal treatment under the law either. These Christians who preach at, point fingers at, and throw stones at gay people are not helping anyone, and they are just giving Christians in general a bad name. They turn people off to their form of Christianity, especially the gay people they say they are trying to reach.

You act like you are being attacked. If you forgot, this is the Homosexual Debate Forum and if everyone agrees with you then it is no longer debate, is it ?

 

[Ohioprof]

You act like you are being attacked. If you forgot, this is the Homosexual Debate Forum and if everyone agrees with you then it is no longer debate, is it ?

I am debating. Are you going to answer my question?

 

[BAFRIEND]

What, then, is the "gay lifestyle" that you insist exists? I am gay. Tell me what my "lifestyle" is.

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.1 COR 6

The lifestyle that denys Christ and gives into the flesh.