Why I Don't Like Homosexuals

[Ohioprof]

You know, women have these sorts of things happen to them all the time. In some workplaces, women experience this sort of harassing behaviour every single day. Does it mean a woman who goes through this sort of garbage hates all men? No. It means she avoids those who do innappropriate things and sometimes even works on creating appropriate behaviour standards.

A gay person is no danger to a child. A pedophile is a danger. The two are much different. In fact, in many societies pedophilia is supported when it is older male/much younger female.

That's exactly what I wrote to Carmody, but he dismissed it and said there is no similarity between teenage girl being harassed by a man and a teenage boy being harassed by a man. Of course they are no different, really.

 

[Ohioprof]

Wow... People, all I did was contribute my experience of gay people- my personal experience with interacting with gay people who follow the lifestyle (making homosexual relationships, thinking it's okay, having sex, for those of you who don't know what a homosexual lifestyle is...). I made NO comment about whether or not I like homosexuals as a group. You guys need to pay more attention to words that are written on a page, because most thinking people would ask 'so what do you think of them if those are your only two experiences?' not accuse me of bashing them. I expressed no opinion but my opinion of the two that I've interacted with.


Moral relativism.

That's both rude and uncalled for, assuming I don't know many gay people... do you read any of my posts? And do you really want me to comment on what I think of you? Because if I did it would be via pm.

Btw, you said in your previous post that you know only two gay people, and you characterized both of them negatively. And how can you form any opinion of me, since you have never met me, and we have never had any kind of personal conversation that I can recall? I don't have an opinion of you, because I don't know you at all. I am certainly willing to get to know you, at least online, which is why I introduced myself to you. I am always open to meeting new people, and I tend to assume the best of them.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Wait, are you and Carmody the same people? I'm really confused now. Which situation are we talking about?

Because I'm pretty sure Mling was referring to the first post.

You nailed me once, but you are wrong this time.

My three IDs are: BAFRIEND, LANTERN, CARMODY.

I will update you if I come up with anymore sock puppets.

Also, I make it a point not to use the different IDs in the same thread if I can help it.

 

[BAFRIEND]

That's exactly what I wrote to Carmody, but he dismissed it and said there is no similarity between teenage girl being harassed by a man and a teenage boy being harassed by a man. Of course they are no different, really.

That is not the issue here, but I will point out that from a social perception point you are wrong. Just watch the reactions on a talk show when teenage mothers come on and listen to the terminology... then see what happens when molestors and boys come on.

The issue of age is a secondary issue in the male/female relationship as is the issue of sex. The main issue always seems to be if the father/male in the situation can live up to his responsibilities. In the male/male issue the offender in the case is ussually being interviewed from a prison cell.

 

[BAFRIEND]

How typical: people come into a forum, insult the people there using blanket generalizations which really don't apply, and the complain about being "persecuted" when the other posters there call these people on their actions.

This is the Homosexual Debate Forum... Not the homosexual support Forum. As I have pointed out before, the only support forum for homosexuals is in the revovery section of this site.

I gave my views and opinions, so debate. This will help all of us understand one anothers view points on the issue.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Molestation is not the same as homosexuality. Most males who molest are straight not gay. Bear in mind when a male molests a boy, he is not turned on by the child's maleness but by his age.

I agree to some degree except to point out that the only reason that most are straight has to do with statisitics. Relative to their percentage of the population, homosexuals individually are more likely, percentage wise than heterosexuals.

Sexual orientation, be it homosexual, hetero, or pedo is part of the debate and issue because it is a sexual orientation we are debating here.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

I do read your posts. You don't know many gay people

Can I suggest that you dont know many Christians, but it is irrelevent really as the truth is not what people who are this or that, or who say they are this or that think, the truth is Jesus Christ. Now non-Christians may not agree with that and they may think it is what people think that counts without any absolute truth.

 

[BAFRIEND]

No, that would be me getting kicked off the site. The person I most recently quoted quoted another person who was quoting me, and I talked about two guys. Does that make it easier and less confusing?

You cannot get kicked off the site for using multiple IDs unless you do it after being banned/suspended or if you do it to lie about your religious denomination. It is simply not against the rules.

The owner of this site allows you to use different IDs so he can inflate the number of users on the site and charge more for advertising.

 

[BAFRIEND]

There is no such thing as "the gay lifestyle." Please remember this and stop using "lifestyle" in reference to gay people. Got it? The people who refer to "the gay lifestyle" are mostly the anti-gay crowd who want people to believe that being gay is a "lifestyle," when in fact it is not, anymore than being heterosexual is a "lifestyle."

i make a distinction between a homosexual orientation and the gay lifestyle because I believe that a lot of homosexuals are not so by choice. A person who has that orientation can choose not to lead a gay lifestyle and be in grace and go to heaven.

But a homosexual who proliferates scandal and sin by engaging in perpetual sin cannot be saved. It is adultery and it breaks God's Laws. marriage is a Sacrament and Jesus only uses it in reference to a man and a woman as does every law in the OT. Therefore, homosexuals can not be married ever in the sacramental sense.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof, Can I suggest that you dont know many Christians, but it is irrelevent really as the truth is not what people who are this or that, or who say they are this or that think, the truth is Jesus Christ. Now non-Christians may not agree with that and they may think it is what people think that counts without any absolute truth.

I am a Christian. And most of the people I know are Christians.

 

[Ohioprof]

i make a distinction between a homosexual orientation and the gay lifestyle because I believe that a lot of homosexuals are not so by choice. A person who has that orientation can choose not to lead a gay lifestyle and be in grace and go to heaven.

But a homosexual who proliferates scandal and sin by engaging in perpetual sin cannot be saved. It is adultery and it breaks God's Laws. marriage is a Sacrament and Jesus only uses it in reference to a man and a woman as does every law in the OT. Therefore, homosexuals can not be married ever in the sacramental sense.

Again, being gay is not a lifestyle.

You suggest that some people choose not to be in a relationship, but rather to be celibate, while others do seek an intimate relationship with a partner. That's true, though very few gay people choose to be celibate for their entire lives. Very few. A few do choose to marry someone of the opposite sex despite the fact that they are gay, and that often ends badly, with much pain for both parties in the couple. I think now of the wife of Larry Craig. What a tragedy that is for her.

 

[Ohioprof]

i make a distinction between a homosexual orientation and the gay lifestyle because I believe that a lot of homosexuals are not so by choice. A person who has that orientation can choose not to lead a gay lifestyle and be in grace and go to heaven.

But a homosexual who proliferates scandal and sin by engaging in perpetual sin cannot be saved. It is adultery and it breaks God's Laws. marriage is a Sacrament and Jesus only uses it in reference to a man and a woman as does every law in the OT. Therefore, homosexuals can not be married ever in the sacramental sense.

Being in an intimate relationship with a partner is neither sin nor scandal. That's just your interpretation of it. And being in a loving relationship with a same-sex spouse is not going to cause someone not to be saved.

 

[Ohioprof]

I agree to some degree except to point out that the only reason that most are straight has to do with statisitics. Relative to their percentage of the population, homosexuals individually are more likely, percentage wise than heterosexuals.

Sexual orientation, be it homosexual, hetero, or pedo is part of the debate and issue because it is a sexual orientation we are debating here.

That's simply not true. If you want to argue that it's true, you need to present real evidence. (Not phony evidence cooked up by Paul Cameron, who has been thoroughly discredited and is not a legitimate social scientist. You need real evidence from peer-reviewed studies and reputable sources, not sources with an anti-gay religious agenda.)

 

[Ohioprof]

This is the Homosexual Debate Forum... Not the homosexual support Forum. As I have pointed out before, the only support forum for homosexuals is in the revovery section of this site.

I gave my views and opinions, so debate. This will help all of us understand one anothers view points on the issue.

It sounds to me like he has been debating, by criticizing what you say.

 

[Ohioprof]

That is not the issue here, but I will point out that from a social perception point you are wrong. Just watch the reactions on a talk show when teenage mothers come on and listen to the terminology... then see what happens when molestors and boys come on.

The issue of age is a secondary issue in the male/female relationship as is the issue of sex. The main issue always seems to be if the father/male in the situation can live up to his responsibilities. In the male/male issue the offender in the case is ussually being interviewed from a prison cell.

Men who have sex with girls do end up in prison. And as for the impact of such actions, the impact on a girl of being harassed or molested or raped by a man is no less devastating than the impact on a boy of such actions. It's horrible for both.

Several people have pointed out to you by now that just because two creepy men came on to you is not a justification for generalizing to all gay men. Most girls have experienced men coming on to us, and we don't then generalize to all men from those experiences with a few creeps.

 

[HaloHope]

But a homosexual who proliferates scandal and sin by engaging in perpetual sin cannot be saved. .

Im sure your well aware that I dont believe homosexuality is a sin, but im curious as to where your idea that it is scandalous comes from.

It may well be scandalous where you come from for someone to be gay, but here its a total non-issue. In the area I live I see many gay couples some with children some without hand and hand in public. Just a short train ride into certain areas of the city can result in me seeing a majority of gay couples.

My sexuality was a non-issue to my family all of my family from grandparents to parents to aunts and uncles.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Again, being gay is not a lifestyle.

You suggest that some people choose not to be in a relationship, but rather to be celibate, while others do seek an intimate relationship with a partner. That's true, though very few gay people choose to be celibate for their entire lives. Very few. A few do choose to marry someone of the opposite sex despite the fact that they are gay, and that often ends badly, with much pain for both parties in the couple. I think now of the wife of Larry Craig. What a tragedy that is for her.

Larry Craig, despite his obvious guilt, claims he is not a homosexual. Yet, you use him as an example of one. Ironically it his circumstance that reminded me of all the negative experiences in the OP.

It is ironic, how you would assume that a man, even though he refutes it publically, accused of lewd conduct in a public restroom is gay even though you accuse me of stereotyping.

I still disagree with you about lifestyle and orientation as you do not take people down to the simple aspect of their sexuality. One of the problems that I have with gay people is their insistance of personal and prejudicial identity through the sex act/orientation alone. I have more respect for people.

While many people lead virtuos Christian lives despite a homosexual orientation, others lead gay lifestyles and proliferate perpetual sin. I refute the arguement that folks involved in gay relationships are no worse than straight couples who do the same thing. Straight couples can rectify and make their relationships Holy and right in accordance with Christianity while homosexual partners never can.

 

[BAFRIEND]

but im curious as to where your idea that it is scandalous comes from.

Let me define scandal as it means to me.

Scandal is proliferating sin publically thus eroding God's Law and Sacraments. For example, if a straight couple lives together outside marriage, I would say that it is the sin against the Sacrament of Marriage. Social acceptance has nothing to do with it. The fact that this common occurance seems to be generally accepted is an aspect of the scandal.

As a Christian, I recognize scandal as being an offense against God, not society.

 

[Ohioprof]

Larry Craig, despite his obvious guilt, claims he is not a homosexual. Yet, you use him as an example of one. Ironically it his circumstance that reminded me of all the negative experiences in the OP.

It is ironic, how you would assume that a man, even though he refutes it publically, accused of lewd conduct in a public restroom is gay even though you accuse me of stereotyping.

I still disagree with you about lifestyle and orientation as you do not take people down to the simple aspect of their sexuality. One of the problems that I have with gay people is their insistance of personal and prejudicial identity through the sex act/orientation alone. I have more respect for people.

While many people lead virtuos Christian lives despite a homosexual orientation, others lead gay lifestyles and proliferate perpetual sin. I refute the arguement that folks involved in gay relationships are no worse than straight couples who do the same thing. Straight couples can rectify and make their relationships Holy and right in accordance with Christianity while homosexual partners never can.

Obviously I disagree with you on the points in your final paragraph. I see committed same-sex relationships as holy and blessed by God. You don't. That's a difference in our perspective that we will just have to respect, I think. We will have to agree to disagree.

As for Larry Craig, I don't know if he will ever come out and say, "I am gay." He may be bisexual for all we know. But we do know that this is not the first time that he has sought out or engaged in sex with men. And the result of this is going to be a tragedy for his wife and for him, frankly. His career is going down the tubes, and he has been humiliated publicly. It's a tragedy that he brought on himself and his family, but it's a tragedy nonetheless for them.

 

[micbmac]

When I was a kid in highschool at a track meet at a college I was using the restroom at the stadium. I was the only guy in there when a homosexual came in and said, "hi" and then he brushed against my back as I was using the urinal. Even though I was using the urinal at the end of a long row of urinals against the wall and we were alone in the restroom he decided to use the one right to next to mine and then he started to humm Dixie and tap his foot. My experience has been that guys cannot stop peeing in mid-stream but I was able to that time. I got out of there fast.

A few months later I was on a class trip in San Francisco and a classmate and I were walking on the sidewalk at Fishermans Wharf when a homosexual walked past us and groped my friend. My friend turned and was so shocked that something like this would happen and apologized to the guy not really taking in what had just happened.

I mean, we were just kids, 14 years old, and here these perverts go around starting stuff in the restrooms and in public with us.

You homosexuals scare me. I constantly worry about the kids, never wanting to let them out of my sight or let them use public restrooms alone and worry about who they might meet online.

Going to accuse me of stereotyping ? Go to any gay website and read the garbage and take in the culture.

Better safe than sorry.

I would better define those as people who touched you and your friend as pedifiles and not homosexuals. As chistians we are to love. even our enemies. Sorry that happened to you btw