why humans are not primates

[AV1611VET]

My wife once fell for an April fool's gag where the BBC had an article about flying penguins.

Not flying squirrels? or Pluto as our 9th planet? or prenatal Thalidomide?

 

[AirPo]

Not flying squirrels? or Pluto as our 9th planet? or prenatal Thalidomide?

Nobody is falling for those gags.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nobody is falling for those gags.

At least ... not anymore ... hopefully.

Pluto needs to be reinstated, however, in my estimation.

 

[: D]

But it is a very great favor you have done in stressing the structure of the foot, because the feet of humans clearly have vestigial digits. We simply have NO USE AT ALL for any of the toes except the great toe. This is easily explained by evolution; when we started the upright biped way of life, the toes were no longer needed, and they degenerated into the vestigial digits we see today. There is no reason to have them from a creationist point of view.

that nonsensical my friend,
lets consider that you said that "upright biped" locomotion started (im going to be generous and lets say 3 million years ago) and the "toes were no longer needed", and in that time "evolution" states man underwent massive and rapid neurological and skeletal changes except for the toes.
come on now.

have your toes cut off and then try to reach for something high up on your tippy toe (the one you have left).


it is a medical fact all human toes help with balance and weight distribution.

 

[Kint]

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

So the LORD GOD form all creatures before he made man. Then when man evoled from nothing but starting a world that once was just dust. He is the One who made man possible. So why would evolution be impossible if you have physical proof to see we evolved right in front of you go look it up on google. Adam and Eve were the first two that evolved to be like LORD GOD.

 

[Jimmy D]

you mentioned nails and hair,
in your opinion why is the constant growth of both not consistent throughout the "family" ?
(only humans have this trait compared to the great apes)


stereoscopic vision is very common across the board and not isolated to great apes and man.
the chimp brain is a third smaller than mans, hardly a comparison.
define "thumb", lizards and birds have grasping abilities.
intelligence is subjective, are we measuring speech abilities (man stands alone),problem solving and learning (slime can navigate a maze and remember the course) etc.

: )

Gene2memE gave a reasoned argument why your OP is flawed (post 2), aren't you going to respond?

 

[Sine Nomine]

you mentioned nails and hair,
in your opinion why is the constant growth of both not consistent throughout the "family" ?
(only humans have this trait compared to the great apes)


stereoscopic vision is very common across the board and not isolated to great apes and man.
the chimp brain is a third smaller than mans, hardly a comparison.
define "thumb", lizards and birds have grasping abilities.
intelligence is subjective, are we measuring speech abilities (man stands alone),problem solving and learning (slime can navigate a maze and remember the course) etc.

: )

Cutaneous growth rates are not considered in the classification. If all possible comparators were employed, all biological individuals would be distinct. That approach defeats any value from considering the features that are shared. (Apples are clearly NOT oranges)

Traditional classification schemes are based largely on morphologic criteria. (Apples and Oranges are Fruit)

Problem solving is a poor criteria (doesn't distinguish much between even Kingdoms). If by speech you mean communication via vocalization, man is definitely not alone-man's anatomy and intelligence certainly is the pinnacle though. Intelligence is NOT subjective, although some measures of it assuredly are.

Were all criteria to be evaluated, Chimps are extremely similar to Humans, while Monitor Lizards are highly dissimilar.

 

[Larniavc]

Not flying squirrels? or Pluto as our 9th planet? or prenatal Thalidomide?

I'm not sure what you mean. What do they have to do with penguins?

 

[AirPo]

At least ... not anymore ... hopefully.

Pluto needs to be reinstated, however, in my estimation.

Nobody is falling for that gag either.

 

[AirPo]

I'm not sure what you mean. What do they have to do with penguins?

It has to do with gags, specifically they way they are sometimes presented.

 

[: D]

Gene2memE gave a reasoned argument why your OP is flawed (post 2), aren't you going to respond?

sorry officer, i will get right on it.
: )

 

[essentialsaltes]

Primates and human toes are not the only toes that can grasp. Bird toes can grasp.

This is why "having grasping toes" is a bad definition for primate.

 

[: D]

Citations needed.

Several of these jump out at me immediately as being incorrect:
Chimps and bonobos certainly have comparable bone structures to humans and other primates, modern and archaic, certainly have similar skull anatomies.
The skin point I disagree with as there is such thing as melanin.
The adipose tissue point is out too, as sedentary primates such as those in captivity tend to have similar levels of body fat to humans, and very active humans tend to have similar levels of body fat to other primates.
Chromosome fusion is not a point I'd be willing to bring up if I was debating the classification of humans, as fusion of human Chromosome 2 is entirely consistent with the common ancestry of humans and other apes and one of the better arguments for common descent.
Lack of a baculum has at least three hypothesis, but there have also been several cases of humans being born with one, only to have it removed later. When you compare phylogeny and bacular size data on great apes, its clear that the close you get to humans, the smaller the baculum becomes.

Primates we are. Primates we will remain. The phylogeny shows it, the nested hierarchy shows it, the fossil evidence shows it and the genetic evidence shows it.

citations needed.

the great apes do indeed look similar from a distance but when examined close up the differences are vast.

" Melanins have very diverse roles and functions in various organisms" so you may need to be more specific.

"similar levels of body fat to humans", nope
http://news.sciencemag.org/evolution/2015/06/why-humans-are-fat-primate.
(couldnt edit the "primate" error due to link)

chromosomes......potato.

smaller baculum ? probably a misidentification.
"The baculum is a bone found in the penis of many placental mammals. It is absent in the human penis, but present in the penises of [I edited the word "other" for accuracy] primates, such as the gorilla and chimpanzee."

 

[AV1611VET]

So the LORD GOD form all creatures before he made man.

[pedantic] It's LORD God [/pedantic]

There's no such thing as: LORD GOD.

 

[AV1611VET]

My wife once fell for an April fool's gag where the BBC had an article about flying penguins.

Not flying squirrels? or Pluto as our 9th planet? or prenatal Thalidomide?

I'm not sure what you mean. What do they have to do with penguins?

Did your wife once fall, as atheists did, for the gag where squirrels flew, Pluto was[n't] our 9th planet, and Thalidomide was a prenatal wonder drug too?

Or was it just penguins?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

that nonsensical my friend,
lets consider that you said that "upright biped" locomotion started (im going to be generous and lets say 3 million years ago) and the "toes were no longer needed", and in that time "evolution" states man underwent massive and rapid neurological and skeletal changes except for the toes.
come on now.

have your toes cut off and then try to reach for something high up on your tippy toe (the one you have left).


it is a medical fact all human toes help with balance and weight distribution.

You don't get to make up your own medical facts. And what's with this "except for the toes" bit? Where does that come from?

Australopithecus Afarensis (Lucy) was already upright bipedal walking. The evolution of the foot was really minor . . . the big toe, used for pushing off in our walking style, moved to a straight forward position instead of being opposable; the other toes diminished, became vestigial. The foot developed an arch. Even today, the older, flat footed pattern remains in many people. All evidence of evolution.

Its a medical fact that you have individual muscles for lifting each toe and most of them you cannot even activate. Those toe lifting muscles count as useless vestiges. (Not all vestiges are completely useless.)

 

[Aman777]

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

So the LORD GOD form all creatures before he made man. Then when man evoled from nothing but starting a world that once was just dust. He is the One who made man possible. So why would evolution be impossible if you have physical proof to see we evolved right in front of you go look it up on google. Adam and Eve were the first two that evolved to be like LORD GOD.

False, since Adam and Eve were special creations and were formed by the Hands of Jesus, called Lord God by the King James translators. Adam was the first Human and lived with Jesus for more than 10 Billion years before ANY other living creature was created. Adam was made with an intelligence like God's Gen 3:22 with the Ability to know both good and evil. NO animal knows this and that is WHY Humans (descendants of Adam) are destined to have rule over ALL other living creatures, including Angels, 1Co 6:3 AFTER Jesus returns at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Gen 1:28-31 Amen?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

[pedantic] It's LORD God [/pedantic]

There's no such thing as: LORD GOD.

Sometimes people CHOOSE to write in all caps for emphasis . . . .

 

[HitchSlap]

it is a medical fact all human toes help with balance and weight distribution.

It's also a fact that hair keeps you warm in cold weather.

 

[HitchSlap]

Did your wife once fall, as atheists did, for the gag where squirrels flew, Pluto was[n't] our 9th planet, and Thalidomide was a prenatal wonder drug too?

Or was it just penguins?

None of my business AV, but you're about the age of someone who might have been harmed by the "prenatal wonder drug."

I'm sorry for you if this is the case, but you've got to let it go. It'll only eat you up inside.

As for Pluto, you probably did your 7th grade report on this planet, and you can't accept the fact it no longer exists like you once believed?