Why Homosexuality Is Wrong

[BigBadWlf]

Maren, Baggins:

Thanks guys

 

[PassionFruit]

Many straight men are even turned on by two men going at it. Many men can be turned on by just about anyone going at it with anyone else.

Hey women are too, we just don't admit it.

 

[demodocos]

What a lot of heterosexuals do is just as evil and corrupt. I even heard a "heterosexual" claim he was turned on by watching two girls going at it! The guy is nothing but a creep. Such practices are what have brought homosexuality out of the closet. Magazines, books, pictures and movies are just excuses to be immoral. It's all down hill from the Romper Room days....

I take it that you would be perfectly okay with this this guy if he would be turned on by watching a virile young man with two firm butt cheeks and a girl going at it.

 

[Skaloop]

Hey women are too, we just don't admit it.

Oh, don't I know it. My wife is practically begging for some gay porn. But I have to find the right thing; she's already into slashy fanfic, and it would have to measure up to that.

 

[Maren]

Maren, Baggins:

Thanks guys

You're welcome, thank you for your post!

 

[Followers4christ]

Homosexuality is a sin as God tells us in the bible.God Bless

Romans 1:26-28 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (Genesis 19:3-13)

 

[PassionFruit]

Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (Genesis 19:3-13)

You do realize that according the Bible homosexuality wasn't the only reason why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, right?

 

[Aeris]

Homosexuality is a sin as God tells us in the bible.God Bless

Romans 1:26-28 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (Genesis 19:3-13)

So...? Not everyone believes in your religion so therefore its only wrong for people who do and only because it would make them look pretty hypocritical.

 

[Followers4christ]

A God that condemns homosexuality is inconsistent with a fair and loving God.
Fundies have chosen which God they believe in and it's not one I care to meet.

Our God is Jesus Christ as told in the bible not some man-made version of Jesus that you seem to be worshipping to make you feel good about where your life is heading.You seem to be making Jesus in to who you want him to be without any biblical foundation (Matthew 7:27).Please read the bible before you say that you know that God supports homosexuality.If you do read the bible you will know that God condemns the act of homosexuality.God Bless

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

 

[Followers4christ]

You do realize that according the Bible homosexuality wasn't the only reason why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, right?

Yes. I do know that there were also other reasons for God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuality is one of the sin's that lead to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as told in the bible.God Bless

 

[cantata]

I even heard a "heterosexual" claim he was turned on by watching two girls going at it!

Ahh, like my entirely heterosexual boyfriend. I know from personal experience that he's very enthusiastic about two girls 'going at it'

Such practices are what have brought homosexuality out of the closet.

Yes! Hurrah. Now I'm allowed to kiss girls and my boyfriend appreciates it nearly as much as I do. It's a win-win situation.

Magazines, books, pictures and movies are just excuses to be immoral.

I don't need an excuse.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Ahh, like my entirely heterosexual boyfriend. I know from personal experience that he's very enthusiastic about two girls 'going at it'



Yes! Hurrah. Now I'm allowed to kiss girls and my boyfriend appreciates it nearly as much as I do. It's a win-win situation.



I don't need an excuse.

you don't need an excuse, because its not immoral

 

[catlover]

Homosexual relations are gravely sinful *in part* because they create a distorted view of the proper use of sexual faculties. Homosexual acts are therefore sinful in a way similar to that of contraception. Thus, two people have sex simply for pleasure, ignoring the possibility of becoming pregnant. This does not always turn out as they would like. The life giving aspect of proper marriage adds to its strength, as it is the only relationship in which the pinnacle of love (depicted by the question "Will you have my baby?") is expected and achievable within the marital embrace.

Contraception is a blessing~matter of fact one can enjoy sex without the worry of caring for a wailing baby 9 months after the fact..the only reason why the RC makes it a sin is it is a male dominated institution.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Ahh, like my entirely heterosexual boyfriend. I know from personal experience that he's very enthusiastic about two girls 'going at it'



Yes! Hurrah. Now I'm allowed to kiss girls and my boyfriend appreciates it nearly as much as I do. It's a win-win situation.



I don't need an excuse.

Lucky you, wish I had that. My boyfriend accepts that I'm attracted to women, but he doesn't want to hear it. Its not that he has a problem with attraction towards the same sex, but that he wants me all to himself and wants to pretend I'm attracted to him only and no one else. Lol, not that I can blame him, but still.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Lucky you, wish I had that. My boyfriend accepts that I'm attracted to women, but he doesn't want to hear it. Its not that he has a problem with attraction towards the same sex, but that he wants me all to himself and wants to pretend I'm attracted to him only and no one else. Lol, not that I can blame him, but still.

Hey... we all occasionally find ourselves attracted to other people, thats OK. Its only when you act on it that its a problem

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Hey... we all occasionally find ourselves attracted to other people, thats OK. Its only when you act on it that its a problem

Very true. Even though I'm attracted to others, I could never cheat.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Homosexuality is a sin as God tells us in the bible.God Bless

Romans 1:26-28 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

No….you choose to interpret the bible to be in accordance with your personal prejudices. a literal reading of the bible shows that there is no condemnation of homosexuality at all.

The various letters of Paul have historically been used to punish and oppress every identifiable minority in the world: Jews, children, women, blacks, slaves, politicians, divorced people, convicts, religious reformers, and the mentally ill. Currently the popular target of this discrimination are homosexuals

The phrase “shameful lusts is a modern invention and has no basis for translation. Just as the earlier “vile afflictions”. In the original Greek, “vile affliction” translates as ecstatic or ecstasy, (the original meaning was not the modern meaning or the street drug name)…the word did not mean passion or lust but rather referred to ecstatic trance states described by anthropologists (Ref: Mircea Eliade). These ecstatic trances were part of every religion, such states were generally achieved by religious leaders but lay people could engage in them as well, the process was to connect to the spirit world for healing and blessing. The Hebrew version of ecstasy involved fasting and isolation in the desert usually. The Modern Christian analog would be “speaking in tongues” and the meditative state achieved in ritualistic prayer. Originally, the condemnation was against any religion but the one Paul was founding, (which was founded on the strange notion that the only way to connect with the spiritual or the Divine was through the church) but like so many other non-Christian traditions, ecstasy found its way into Christianity.

As for “natural.” The society Paul is writing to, both Roman and Greek, considered homosexuality be quite natural. What would have been considered unnatural for Paul’s audience would have been to force oneself to go against one’s own nature, to pretend to be something one is not. Such relationships are referred to as being unnatural by many writers of the era.
The bible specifically used the Greek word paraphysi, contrary to popular belief paraphysi does not mean "to go against the law(s) of nature", as those promoting discrimination against homosexuals often claim, but rather it means to engage in action(s) which is uncharacteristic for that person or more simply an individual denying his/her true nature. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. Thus the passages correctly reads that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals. And what Paul is condemning is the unnaturalness of going against one’s nature. In the verse you cite God punishes individuals engaging in ecstatic trance work by forcing them to be something they are not.

The sin here is pretending to be something you are not.

Romans 1:26-27 is not a condemnation of homosexuality but a condemnation of trying to change or lying about ones sexual oriention. Thus it is a condemnation of ex-gay ministries.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

At issue here is the translation of the Greek word arsenokoites to mean homosexual. It is only in recent history that this word has been translated to mean homosexual. Prior to the writing of the King James Bible it was translated as masturbation and that translation continued in some bibles until the late 1960’s. There is no reason or evidence to believe that arsenokoites translates as homosexual at all.

Various attempts have been made to defend the interpretation of arsenokoites as a reference to male-male or homosexual sex in 1 Corinthians and the denial that there are translation issues with that word appears to be political rather than anything else. This defense is made by claiming that the meaning of this compound word is derived from the meaning of its two root words: arseno (man or men) and koitai (bed). This approach is linguistically invalid. Deconstructing compounds is generally a more sound strategy in Greek than English. It is highly precarious to try to ascertain the meaning of a word by taking it apart, getting the meanings of its component parts, and then assuming, with no supporting evidence, that the meaning of the longer word is a simple combination of its component parts. To "understand" does not mean to "stand under." In fact, nothing about the basic meanings of either "stand" or "under" has any direct bearing on the meaning of "understand." This phenomenon of language is sometimes even more obvious with terms that designate social roles, since the nature of the roles themselves often changes over time and becomes separated from any original reference. None of us, for example, takes the word "chairman" to have any necessary reference to a chair, even if it originally did. Thus, all definitions of arsenokoites that derive its meaning from its components are naive and indefensible. Using this method it would be equally valid to claim that when using the word arsenokoites Paul was condemning the lazy.

The most damming evidence that arsenokoites does not means homosexual is the fact that arsenokoites is a plural first declension noun. The word koitai, without the arseno- prefix, is feminine, just as most first declension nouns in Greek are. Thus referring to a man in a woman’s bed, not in the bed of another man.

The only reliable way to define a word is to analyze its use in as many different contexts as possible. The word "means" according to its function, according to how particular people use the word in different situations. However writings contemporary to Paul that also use the word arsenokoites do not use it to mean homosexual, rather they use the word to refer to men who use women sexually in exchange for money…IE prostitutes.

Some have tried to claim that Paul was using words from the Hebrew to illustrate his point and that he really did mean homosexual. Given the audience Pual was writing to this is not likely. While loose analogies of the words koitai and arseno appear they are not combined into a compound word and always refer specifically to male/female intercourse. If you are going to use the appearance of the separate words arsen and koites in Leviticus as evidence that the compound word arsenokoites means homosexual then you have to ignore all the other appearances of the words in Leviticus.

Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (Genesis 19:3-13)

this of course says nothing about homosexuality.



"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did hateful things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.”
Ezekiel 16: 49-50

 

[BigBadWlf]

You do realize that according the Bible homosexuality wasn't the only reason why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, right?

it isn't a reason at all

 

[Caitlin.ann]

That was a great read, BigBadWolf. I'm very glad you took the time to post it.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Our God is Jesus Christ as told in the bible not some man-made version of Jesus that you seem to be worshipping to make you feel good about where your life is heading.You seem to be making Jesus in to who you want him to be without any biblical foundation (Matthew 7:27).Please read the bible before you say that you know that God supports homosexuality.If you do read the bible you will know that God condemns the act of homosexuality.God Bless

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Considering you are interpreting the bible to suit your own desires and ignoring the teachings of Jesus … it seems you are the one this verse is speaking to