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Why evolution isn't scientific

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46AND2

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Becoming a TE didn't enter your mind?

I have been a YEC.
I have been an OEC gapper.
I have been TE.

While dealing with facts convinced me that YEC wasn't true, and likewise OEC, philosophy and specifically logic left me unconvinced of TE.
 
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While dealing with facts convinced me that YEC wasn't true, and likewise OEC, philosophy and specifically logic left me unconvinced of TE.
So you're a Factist then?
 
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I have made my position clear already.

Now post your evidence.

Honestly, it seems like you are trying to get me to agree that any irregularity will result in me abandoning my opinion that evolution is a powerful explanatory tool. I'm not going to do that. If your evidence is valid evidence against evolution, then I promise I will consider it.

Now will you PLEASE stop blustering about it and POST IT.
 
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Only you would be able to make it sound that accepting facts is an unreasonable course of action...
I'm asking him if he's a Factist.

Let's see if he ponies up.
 
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so a watch isnt evidence for design. thanks.
So odd how frequently you totally ignore and/or distort what others write - especially if what they've written makes one of your mantras look like the childish nonsense they almost always are:

Which designer? And how do you know? What about the multitude of other watch types - digital, for example? Was it the same designer? How would you know?

At the very best, if you find a watch on earth, you could conclude that a human made it.

Which human? And how would you know? And how did this human design and make the watch? Did this human make all the pieces him or herself? All the gears, springs, etc? Or were there other humans involved?


So you can (but likely won't) see that merely positing a Designer or Creator without providing any evidence for whom the designer was, how the designer operated, etc., is something a child might do?
 
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this is what he said: If you find a watch, 'the designer dun it' is simply a proclamation. so a watch by itself isnt evidence for design according to him. its just a proclamation.
Why did you ignore - troll-like - everything else?


Which designer? And how do you know? What about the multitude of other watch types - digital, for example? Was it the same designer? How would you know?

At the very best, if you find a watch on earth, you could conclude that a human made it.

Which human? And how would you know? And how did this human design and make the watch? Did this human make all the pieces him or herself? All the gears, springs, etc? Or were there other humans involved?


So you can (but likely won't) see that merely positing a Designer or Creator without providing any evidence for whom the designer was, how the designer operated, etc., is something a child might do?
 
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I watched a video about the fallacy employed by those claiming 'science changes its mind, so it cannot be trusted' the other day. It ended with a clip of NGT talking about how relativity "replaced" Netwonian mechanics - it was not that Newton was "wrong", it was that his theories and equations did not cover things that were discovered later. Newtonian mechanics is still 'right' with regards to the things that it covers, Relativity just encompasses that plus more. The anti-science crowd has trouble with the distinction.
 
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I think the anti-science crowd actually doesn't have much trouble with that distinction.
I think what they actually have trouble with, is when science comes up with things that contradict their a priori beliefs.

After all, they are totally fine with any and all science, including "replacing" theories, they feel agrees (or doesn't contradict) their faith based a priori beliefs.
 
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True - but when science comes up with things that contradict their a priori beliefs, they also are very quick to take the tiniest of 'anomalies' (so-called) as 'evidence' that the theory as a whole is defunct.
 
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People need to stop calling it a theory.

It’s a hypothesis.
 
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Coming from creationists, that means little.
Jesus is a creationist, so I know what you mean.

You have all of academia on your side.
 
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